Advice on My Cycle?

Pharma / TRT
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Hello everyone,

I’d like your advice on the cycle I’ve devised, but, first, allow me to give you a little bit of background.

I’m a 21 y o biochemistry student in Belgium. I’m a little over 5’8 tall (173cm) and somewhere around 154 lbs.
I’ve been lifting for a year and a half.

I have also read the stickies here and on other boards, I know that “technically” I’m not old enough or experienced enough, but I’ve set my mind on it.
My goals are purely strength-oriented (but knowing that if I have more strength, I can easily make my muscle volume increase, which in turn will lead to a weight increase). I don’t care about my weight at all. All I care about is having the strength I want (with the looks I’m shooting for if possible).

Now, let’s get to business, if you don’t mind.

I have in mind something like this :

Cycle : test E + dbol w/ arimidex, nolva and clomid on hand

W1 : 2x650mg Test E 2ml injections
W2-11 : Test E 325mg twice a week (1ml twice) => 650mg/week total
W1-W13 Arimidex .25mg ED
W3-W6 Dianabol 35mg ED (10mg in morning, 15mg 45-60mins before workout and 10mg post workout)
W3-W12 : HCG 250iu twice a week (total of 5000 IUs over ten weeks)

Then PCT starting on W14 :

D1 : 200mg clomid + 40mg nolva (both spread on 4 doses through the day)
D2-D7 : decrease from 200mg clomid to 100mg and 40mg nolva to 20mg
W2-W4 : Clomid 100/50/50 + Nolvadex 20/20/10

I intended to use Adex on cycle to limit bloating and prevent gyno, since both drugs I’ll be taking aromatize easily. Should I temporarily increase Adex dosage when I start dbol or is .25mg fine?

As far as diet and training go, I think I have a pretty good understanding of it and of how it should go. I won’t change much while on cycle, I’ll merely increase everything I’m doing to fit my body needs and abilities while on gear.
If all goes as planned, I’ll go on a natural cut after cycling, and if unsatisfied I’ll do a cycle of Test E/var or Tbol/clen/t3 with a lower dosage of test.

I’m open to questions and feel free to constructively criticize my cycle/pct.

Thanks for reading! :slight_smile:

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How about try 1000mg of learning how to eat and train. Your stats are pathetic and once again we have another person looking for a short cut because he is ignorant of proper eating for size and strength and how to train. This is evident by exactly what you posted and I don’t need to see your training and nutrition to know this.

How ever I do commend you for admitting that your unknowledgeable and under experienced and you realize your just not willing to put in the work need so congrats.

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Most people on here are going to say you are too young and have plenty more room for natural gains etc. and they are right but since you have set your mind to it my advice would be don’t rush out and get gear until you are 100% sure what you gonna run and researched a bit more.

I’m 27 and have been planning my first cycle for nearly a year and now have the gear and will be running it starting in 10 days, cant wait :slight_smile: . So you know my knowledge is research and people helping me only not 1st hand experience yet.

My comments on your cycle would be;

  1. Test E good choice for base drug, people will recommend Test A so if you get bad sides then it is out of your system quicker but I understand your decision is probably based on less pins first time. One thing I would say is 400mg per week is fine for dose but you are going to need to pin twice per week or you could get worse sides due to blood levels going up and down. I have also gone with Test E which is 250mg per ml and will be doing 250mg Wednesday evening and Sunday mornings so they are 3.5 days apart which keeps it nice and even and a total dose of 500 per week. If the stuff you are getting is 400mg per ml I would advise you picking two days like that so they are 3.5 days apart and then doing half a ml each one.

  2. Forget Dbol orals are harsh on your body and you get bugger all out of them, based on your goals pick another injectable to go with your Test. I have selected Tren for this and based on your goals would be a good suit. I’ve gone for Tren E but the same as above for the same reasons people will advise Tren A. if you do go for Tren E though you can put it in same pin as the test and pin twice per week still. You probably want 100mg per ml Tren if you can get it and do 100mg per pin so each pin will be 200mg test e and 100mg tren e and will be 1.5ml in volume. Stop the Tren 2 weeks before you stop Test.

  3. Blasting HCG at 5000IU is risky at the end I would say and I have chosen to throw 250IUs into each of my pins twice per week to prevent shut down rather than allow it and then try and blast it back to life. Up to you on this though if you do that then keep the HCG up for 1 week after test stops.

  4. Anti E – Arimidex is all good and I have chosen to take 0.5mg each time I pin from beginning to one week after starting PCT as preventative. If you go for Tren or Deca if you want to bulk then you will need to do the same with cabergoline.

  5. PCT – Nolvadex and Clomid tapering down is fine but do not start pct until 1 week after last hcg pin.

As an example it would be;

Test E 200mg 0.5ml twice per week 1-10
Tren E 100mg 1ml twice per week 1-8
HCG 250IU 0.1ml twice per week 1-11
Arimidex 0.5mg twice per week 1-13
Cabergoline 0.5mg twice per week 1-10

PCT to run week 13-17
Clomid 200\100\100\50\25 mg per day
Nolvadex 40\30\20\10 mg per day

Hope that helps and make sure you understand the risks before going ahead with it, my honest advise which you can take or not is to train hard for another year or two naturally but if you have your mind set then go ahead with it slowly and get all the gear before you set a start date. Also make sure from now to the point you start diet and training are bang on and they continue to be through cycle and after or it will be a waste.

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[quote]Reed wrote:
How about try 1000mg of learning how to eat and train. Your stats are pathetic and once again we have another person looking for a short cut because he is ignorant of proper eating for size and strength and how to train. This is evident by exactly what you posted and I don’t need to see your training and nutrition to know this. How ever I do commend you for admitting that your unknowledgeable and under experienced and you realize your just not willing to put in the work need so congrats.[/quote]

See, this is the exact opposite of what I meant by “feel free to constructively criticize”.
What’s the point of your post? Telling me how much more experienced you are? How stronger you are? How smarter you are?
Yes, I’m looking for a shortcut. Yes, I’m far away from reaching my natural potential.
However, since you have no clue about my training or diet and don’t know anything about me, please keep your judgemental remarks for yourself.

Sam_Boy :

Yeah I didn’t pick Testosterone propionate or acetate because I didn’t want to inject myself 3-4 times/week (it increases the risk of infections and so on).
Besides, everyone recommends Test E or Test C as a first cycle, so…
I’ll also have a bottle of test E 200mg/mL, so I could do 1 mL of that twice a week, not entirely sure. EW injections seem fine, though, since I see quite often people doing that.
My first thought was to add another injectable, but after looking at stuff tren, eq, …, I decided to add an oral. Tren looks like it is much more potent that test or dbol, and I felt like leaving it for another cycle, when I’ll have more experience.
4 week oral cycles seem fine. Besides, I’ll be running at a relatively low dosage (35mg ED). I’ve seen countless posts about people doing dbol for 6+ weeks at 50mg ED or more, so I feel like I’m on the safer side of things.
About the HCG thing, I’m looking for someone that has done both and who could tell me what’s best.

I realize that training naturally for a couple more years would be much better but as I’ve said… I don’t intend to wait any longer.

Thanks for your answer mate :slight_smile:

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Your 150lbs after a year and a half of training… Your pathetically skinny meaning I know fir a fact your training and nutrition are absolutely shit and you have no fucking clue what your doing. Thank you.

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[quote]Reed wrote:
Your 150lbs after a year and a half of training… Your pathetically skinny meaning I know fir a fact your training and nutrition are absolutely shit and you have no fucking clue what your doing. Thank you.[/quote]

Exactly my point. My diet and training up to about 3 months ago were intended to LOSE weight. Get it?

Anyway, please stop answering here, I’d like advice not smart-ass comments…

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Reed is really 4’8 and 150lbs.

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Dieted down or nit your pathetically skinny and inexperienced :slight_smile: and personally imma post here now just because I can :slight_smile: because seeing as how you wish my smart ass comments would go away I wish fucking ifiots who can’t put there time in and try to learn correct training and eating strategies jump to needle because its to hard to try naturally and have to take short cuts :slight_smile: so ill def be sticking around for this till the end.

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[quote]Batman00 wrote:
Reed is really 4’8 and 150lbs. [/quote]

This is all true

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[quote]Reed wrote:
Dieted down or nit your pathetically skinny and inexperienced :slight_smile: and personally imma post here now just because I can :slight_smile: because seeing as how you wish my smart ass comments would go away I wish fucking idiot who can’t put there time in and try to learn correct training a eating strategies jump to needle the needle because its to hard to try naturally and have to take short cuts :slight_smile: so ill def be sticking around for this till the end.[/quote]

Well you live in a free country so feel free to do so.

Anyway. If anyone has useful advice to give about my cycle, I’d be glad to listen :slight_smile:

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Love how you ask for advice and when Sam_Boy gave you a long, well thought out response you decide to point by point tell them why you are going to ignore him and do what you want anyway.

And btw OP, way to piss of one of the most experienced guys on this subject.

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[quote]beastyqt wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:
Dieted down or nit your pathetically skinny and inexperienced :slight_smile: and personally imma post here now just because I can :slight_smile: because seeing as how you wish my smart ass comments would go away I wish fucking idiot who can’t put there time in and try to learn correct training a eating strategies jump to needle the needle because its to hard to try naturally and have to take short cuts :slight_smile: so ill def be sticking around for this till the end.[/quote]

Well you live in a free country so feel free to do so.

Anyway. If anyone has useful advice to give about my cycle, I’d be glad to listen :)[/quote]

I’ve got some usefull advice, so listen closely…,

Alight here goes…

LISTEN TO REED YOU FUCKING RETARD!!!

Your welcome

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[quote]beastyqt wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:
Dieted down or nit your pathetically skinny and inexperienced :slight_smile: and personally imma post here now just because I can :slight_smile: because seeing as how you wish my smart ass comments would go away I wish fucking idiot who can’t put there time in and try to learn correct training a eating strategies jump to needle the needle because its to hard to try naturally and have to take short cuts :slight_smile: so ill def be sticking around for this till the end.[/quote]

Well you live in a free country so feel free to do so.

Anyway. If anyone has useful advice to give about my cycle, I’d be glad to listen :)[/quote]

Its been given

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[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]beastyqt wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:
Dieted down or nit your pathetically skinny and inexperienced :slight_smile: and personally imma post here now just because I can :slight_smile: because seeing as how you wish my smart ass comments would go away I wish fucking idiot who can’t put there time in and try to learn correct training a eating strategies jump to needle the needle because its to hard to try naturally and have to take short cuts :slight_smile: so ill def be sticking around for this till the end.[/quote]

Well you live in a free country so feel free to do so.

Anyway. If anyone has useful advice to give about my cycle, I’d be glad to listen :)[/quote]

Its been given[/quote]

Advice about my cure, about whether the PCT I’ve devised is good enough or not, …, I’m looking for first-hand experience from people who have done something very close to what I’m about to do and who could tell me about their experiences.
Telling me to change my mind and quit being a “fucking retard” isn’t helping because I’ve already decided that I wouldn’t wait any longer.
I get what you guys are trying to do. I know I should lift maybe 5 more years, and then start to THINK about jumping on some gear. But here’s a little thought for you : since I won’t live to see my 45th birthday due to an CNS degenerative disease, I can’t afford to wait 5 years (that’s a damn quarter of what I’ve got left, 5 years to me is probably about 15-20 years to you).

So, could you please give me some advice so that I don’t have bad surprises and get the most of this first cycle?

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[quote]beastyqt wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]beastyqt wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:
Dieted down or nit your pathetically skinny and inexperienced :slight_smile: and personally imma post here now just because I can :slight_smile: because seeing as how you wish my smart ass comments would go away I wish fucking idiot who can’t put there time in and try to learn correct training a eating strategies jump to needle the needle because its to hard to try naturally and have to take short cuts :slight_smile: so ill def be sticking around for this till the end.[/quote]

Well you live in a free country so feel free to do so.

Anyway. If anyone has useful advice to give about my cycle, I’d be glad to listen :)[/quote]

Its been given[/quote]

Advice about my cure, about whether the PCT I’ve devised is good enough or not, …, I’m looking for first-hand experience from people who have done something very close to what I’m about to do and who could tell me about their experiences.
Telling me to change my mind and quit being a “fucking retard” isn’t helping because I’ve already decided that I wouldn’t wait any longer.
I get what you guys are trying to do. I know I should lift maybe 5 more years, and then start to THINK about jumping on some gear. But here’s a little thought for you : since I won’t live to see my 45th birthday due to an CNS degenerative disease, I can’t afford to wait 5 years (that’s a damn quarter of what I’ve got left, 5 years to me is probably about 15-20 years to you).

So, could you please give me some advice so that I don’t have bad surprises and get the most of this first cycle?[/quote]

Then fuck you and just stick your self learn by trial and error your nuts will love that. Everyone here on this forum is chasing something greater than wanting to not be a skinny shit. 90% of us are not going to help you especially with your attitude and the ones who do… Well I dont like them for the most part usually either so that’s ok

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So what is it, MS? There are other ways to deal with that. I’m serious. If you don’t want to share this on the forum you can pm me if you want some ideas to consider.
For the record, I kinda have to agree with Reed that you’re a bit bullheaded about your AAS choices (and I’m saying it mildly cause you’re only 21 and I understand where you’re coming from if you’re feeling the pressure of a nasty CNS diagnosis)

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[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
And btw OP, way to piss of one of the most experienced guys on this subject.[/quote]

no offense intended but this is debatable.

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Where is C-Dog when you need him. He will rip all your heads off and store them in his Gnome Cave for the winter.

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[quote]c.m.l. wrote:

[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
And btw OP, way to piss of one of the most experienced guys on this subject.[/quote]

no offense intended but this is debatable.
[/quote]

Agreed

But none the less thank you Grizzy Berg

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[quote]grippit wrote:
So what is it, MS? There are other ways to deal with that. I’m serious. If you don’t want to share this on the forum you can pm me if you want some ideas to consider.
For the record, I kinda have to agree with Reed that you’re a bit bullheaded about your AAS choices (and I’m saying it mildly cause you’re only 21 and I understand where you’re coming from if you’re feeling the pressure of a nasty CNS diagnosis)[/quote]

I’m sorry I’m not too good with abbreviations in English, since it isn’t my first language. What does “MS” mean?
Look, I don’t know anyone here, it just seemed like a good forum with cool people and I just wanted some advice. I have sincerely no clue as to why Reed is being so rude.

I just want to have as good a life as possible while I can, and that’s why I’m intending to use AAS. It might not be the greatest idea ever had, but I feel like I have decent lifts for someone as inexperienced (DL 400lbs/180kg, bench press 200lbs/90kg and back squat 243lbs/110kg), especially since my main goal up to now has been to lose weight (went from 185lbs fatty to 145.4 lbs).