Time For the Next Level: Steroids

Pharma / TRT
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Hey guys, this is my first post, so I guess I’m new here. I decided 5 years ago that I would train for 5 more years and then I would be ready for steroids. I was 18 then, and I’m turning 23 in June. I am wanting to collect information as to what I should take for my goals at hand. First off…

Here are my stats:

6’2"
Weight: 230
Body fat: 8%
Bench: 425
Squat: 605
Deadlift: 670

My ultimate goal is to reach 260 lbs while maintaining my body fat percent of 8%, meaning the steroid stack I wish to use will have the idea of gaining mass at-hand.

So, in essence, I need to know what stack will provide me with the most gains in muscle that I will be able to keep, for I plan on stopping steroids once I reach 260; I want to be big, but not freakishly huge. My bulk starts the day I turn 23 as well.

In addition to the stack, if anyone could tell me how much of each I should take per day, when to take it, etc., that would be great. I’ve just read so many mixed sources that I don’t know which stack would be best.

I read an article here about steroids and I think it said that the best stack for mass is Tren and Test. I’m not sure though. I have read that steroids taken orally are more damaging than injectable steroids, but should I avoid them?

Finally, I do not want to get gyno or have my testicles shrink from steroid use if at all possible. What I’ve heard of anti-estrogens and SERMS, but I’m not sure which one is for which, or even if they are for the same thing. So any information on that would be great as well.

PS: I just had my second son today!! (hence the username) His name is Lance. Sorry, I couldn’t resist but tell everyone in sight. :slight_smile:

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Bushi makes a good point in that you’d be better off making your own decisions after research and then asking people to critique your schedule rather than just asking strangers what you should do. I’d say a very good place to start would be following link. It will help with alot of the questions you’ve asked.

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1879427

Another idea would be to look up what cycles some companies are selling and how they advertise those cycles. Do they advertise them as a “cutting” or “bulking” cycle. Are they listed for “beginner”, “intermediate”, or “competition” users. How long do they run each cycle? The protocols used in each will be quite a bit different. There’s a reason.

Do some research and find out why they use gear x over gear y. Then take that and tweak it to fit your goals and what you have available. Once you get an idea of what you want to run, come back and post your ideas. Then sit back and wait for the cycle flaming/ass-shredding to start. (That’s what I usually do. It only stings the 1st few times.) :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Well you appear to have good stats and such, and congrats on your son, so I’m not going to flame you (I rarely do anyway, haha).

However, I have to ask you; What do we look like to you?

A bunch of guys who have nothing better to do than spoonfeed guys like yourself apparently.

What I’m trying to say in a nice way is that you should get off your ass and do some research. Construct a cycle, and then we can critique it for you and make suggestions.

Let me put it another way: You have 2 young children in your life. Would you really take the risk of following the advice of a bunch of random internet dudes, concerning things as potentially harmful as AAS? I would hope not.

Bushy[/quote]

Fair enough. I’ll put something together that I think will look good for me then and post it soon.

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Ok now, I have somewhat of a cycle. From what I have read, Test can, in many cases, be used as a staple of a stack. I plan on running a 12 week cycle, and I was thinking of following the general idea of a cycle that was posted in the stickie with some editing.

HEAVY
W 1-12 Test Prop 100mg/D
W 1-12 Mast Prop 50mg/D
W 1-12 Tren Ace 100mg/D
W 1-13 HCG 250iu E3D
W 1-13 Adex 0.5mg/D (tapered in last week to EOD)
W 1-12 HGH 4iu, IGF-1 40mcg (Mon, Wed, Fri post workout), MGF 150mcg (Sat, Sun)
PCT (Taper)
W 14-18 Test Prop 30mg EOD
W 19 Test Prop 20mg EOD
W 20 Test Prop 15mg EOD
W 21 Test Prop 10mg EOD
W 22 Test Prop 5mg EOD

This basically extends the regular cycle for 2 more weeks, hopefully allowing my body to get/keep more gains. I have a question though. Why do I keep the HCG and Adex a week longer than the big 3 steroids such as test, tren, and mast? And why would someone stop taking their test for a week before starting their tapering? Is it to help get the synthetic test out of your system a little bit? Would Nolvadex stop the possiblity of gyno and Clomid help with natural test recovery (and testicle recovery)?

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Gh and IGF with your first cycle?

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WOW…over 2 grams of gear a week for a first cycle?

A wee bit too much there killer.

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[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
WOW…over 2 grams of gear a week for a first cycle?

A wee bit too much there killer.[/quote]

Hahaha, exactly.

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[quote]graphicsMan wrote:
CrewPierce wrote:
WOW…over 2 grams of gear a week for a first cycle?

A wee bit too much there killer.

Hahaha, exactly.[/quote]

So it looks like this could be a bit much for someone on their first cycle, ok then so maybe I will get rid of. I would at least like to keep Tren because I heard that it was extremely effective.

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LMMFAO at this “first” cycle. HGH and IGF? Wow.

That said, I think a guy with your stats will be fine with a Test/Tren first cycle. I respect that a lot of people on this board believe strongly in the one compound first cycle, but I think you will definitely benefit from adding the Tren (I would lower the dosage to 50mg ED though).

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Ok, I think I have my cycle down. Just one more question. I was one of the unlucky fellows who kept their gyno from puberty, so I may be prone to getting it from steroids. Should I use Nolvadex throughout the cycle?

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For someone who decided to take steroids 5 years ago, you know very little. I kind of doubt most of your stats, looks like your just looking to be spoon fed knowledge.

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[quote]shizen wrote:
For someone who decided to take steroids 5 years ago, you know very little. I kind of doubt most of your stats, looks like your just looking to be spoon fed knowledge. [/quote]

I decided not to read about steroids until the time came near so I wouldn’t be tempted to use them back then.

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[quote]BestDaddyEver wrote:
Ok, I think I have my cycle down. Just one more question. I was one of the unlucky fellows who kept their gyno from puberty, so I may be prone to getting it from steroids. Should I use Nolvadex throughout the cycle?[/quote]

Nolvadex might not be a bad idea.

Definitely get something (a-dex, nolva) before you start. Just in case, you’ll have it ready.

Are you dead set on using prop or could someone sway you to try enth or cyp?

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[quote]LayinLo wrote:
BestDaddyEver wrote:
Ok, I think I have my cycle down. Just one more question. I was one of the unlucky fellows who kept their gyno from puberty, so I may be prone to getting it from steroids. Should I use Nolvadex throughout the cycle?

Nolvadex might not be a bad idea.

Definitely get something (a-dex, nolva) before you start. Just in case, you’ll have it ready.

Are you dead set on using prop or could someone sway you to try enth or cyp?[/quote]

Yeah it would probably be simpler to use Enth for an ester. Though I really don’t like needles at all, so Cyp might work, but it’s not really my call. You would be ok injecting yourself twice a week for each compound instead of daily.

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Here’s the basic beginner cookie cutter cycle I think most agree upon.

Wks 1-12: Test E 250mg E3D
A-dex: As needed (usually .25mg EOD)

PCT EITHER

Stasis Taper (look it up in one of the threads)

OR

Nolvadex 40mg wk 1-2 20mg wk 3-4

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yeah…i’d drop that to 10 weeks but… yeah i’d say that would be a great cycle for the first 5 times!

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who is that Bushy?