I have decided after 8 years of training that I need anabolics to get any further.
I am 49 years old, weigh 92kg with a BF% of 13. I eat clean (most of the time) and am looking to do a bulking cycle for the first.
After much reading on this wonderful, and other sites I have come up with a stack I think might work for me.
Week 1 to 12 Test E 500mgs per week
Week 1 to 12 Equipoise 500 mgs per week
Week 1 to 4 Dianabol 20mgs per day.
Week 1 to 4 Arimidex 1mgs per day
Week 5 to 12 Arimidex .5mgs per day
Week 14 to 17 Arimidex .25mgs per day
Week 14 Clomid 200 mgs per day
Week 15 Clomid 100mgs per day
week 16 Clomid 50mgs per day
Week 17 Clomid 25mgs per day
Week 18 Clomid 25mgs per day.
I am also planning to use Chad Waterbury’s MRT program whilst on the cycle.
There is such a wealth of knowledge in these forums, I would be so grateful to hear any feedback concerning the stack and the training program. Anything in fact that might help me.
I want to be certain in my own mind that I am not making a mistake.
Let’s see…I would suggest dropping the EQ, since it is your first go 'round. Best to test the waters with, well, test. You’ll probably be okay with the Dbol, but up the dose to 40mg/day. Have the a’dex on hand for when you start experiencing bloat or other estrogen related sides. Don’t start out at 1mg/day. Many find .25mg ED, EOD, or E3D is enough, but you most likely won’t need to start it until you’re two to three weeks into the cycle. You’ll have to gauge it when you start taking it.
[quote]shaun1rsa wrote:
Also not sure about the length of the cycle. I was wondering if I cut out the EQ, should I cut back to 8 weeks on the Test?
Also will a 23 gauge needle do the trick?[/quote]
Typically 12 weeks is the norm for 500mg/wk. If you were to run a much higher dose, let’s say 800mg/wk, then a shorter cycle could be recommended. 12 weeks is good to get the maximum gains and effects from the long estered test enanthate. And a higher dose is usually used after you have some experience under your belt, at least after seeing how you’ll react to test.
The 23g needle is fine. It is what I use to draw and inject. You’ll find heating the oil in hot water for several minutes will help a great deal in filling the syringe and injecting. Some draw with a 23g, and inject with a 25g, but the 23g is pretty universal.
IMO, at your age (no offense intended) you should minimize the “hard androgens”. Test and dbol together are a bad combo if you don’t like water retention and gyno. Turinabol or Anavar would be a much better choice if they are available and affordable.
With those two, you’ll definately need Arimidex, however IMO the taper is unnecesarry and the dosages are too high. I’d start at week 2-3 with 0.5mg/EOD and adjust from there.
I’d also drop the EQ. OK for strength increases, but causes panic attacks in many.
Lastly, for PCT, in recent years many are getting away from Clomid as a high-dose Nolvadex protocol is just as effective with favorable results and less sides (clomid-induced depression for ex).
Also consider HCG at 500iu every 5 days throught the cycle, seems to help maintain testicular mass and stimulates LH/FSH. Good luck.
Since needles are plentiful and cheap online, I’d draw with an 18ga, and inject with a 25ga. Heat the filled syringe under hot running water or zap in the microwave before injecting. Good luck.
Panic attacks? Show me reliable proof that EQ has caused panic attacks in psychologically normal people.
We need to stop throwing around outlandish assumptions around here.
Also, what matters if the HCG would stimulate LH/FSH? I hope you realize that they’ll just continually be suppressed with everytime he administers the Test dosages. HCG E5D is a terrible method. If, and only if, he decides to use it, it should be strictly for regular use to maintain testicular size, not in these sporadic windows.
Draw with an 18g needle, eh? Do you realize that would end up punching holes in the butyl stopper and contaminating his solution? And why in the hell would anyone “zap” their filled syringes in a microwave? I’m not even going to get into how foolish that is.
I believe the “zapping” was a reference to heating the vial before drawing, not the filled syringe.
Those 18g needles are cannons. Just pushing one through the stopper only once can leave chunks of butyl mixed in with the oil. I’ll give that one a no go.
Drawing with an 18g is not a good idea… you’ll destroy your stopper after only a few injections…
Since this is your first cycle I’d say cut the EQ, Dbol, and Adex while on cycle…
To be perfectly honest, I hate your idea of using the Clomid the way you are. I’d recommend a taper instead, but if you must stick with your Clomid, that would be a good time to add the HCG as well.
The reason I said scrap the Adex is that you simply use way too much. You don’t need a mg of that a day, you’d kill someone…
I’m sure I’m missing something, but I’ll get to it soon…
[quote]World1187 wrote:
Drawing with an 18g is not a good idea… you’ll destroy your stopper after only a few injections…
Since this is your first cycle I’d say cut the EQ, Dbol, and Adex while on cycle…
To be perfectly honest, I hate your idea of using the Clomid the way you are. I’d recommend a taper instead, but if you must stick with your Clomid, that would be a good time to add the HCG as well.
The reason I said scrap the Adex is that you simply use way too much. You don’t need a mg of that a day, you’d kill someone…
I’m sure I’m missing something, but I’ll get to it soon…[/quote]
Cutting the a’dex is a bad idea. Reducing the dose is a good idea.
I don’t know about the clomid, but I’d suggest Nolvadex along with a taper.
Starting in the taper, use HCG as you deem necessary for testicular size only. However, once your taper is over, use it as you deem necessary to restore sex drive…
5.0. My bad man, I was kind of dragging ass earlier… I do a low carb day every 4-5 days on cycle to lessen the bloat and stay looking lean. It pretty much destroys my mental state and I can’t sleep worth a fuck either. So disregard anything I say every 4-5 days, lol.
Same to you Bush man, I don’t know what the fuck I’m thinking.
Let me clarify:
I don’t recommend using Adex right off the bat. Use it if and when you deem necessary. Assuming you use it, I don’t recommend going above .25 mg/day.
Use HCG during your cycle. Don’t fuck with it close to your recovery point though… meaning the stasis taper as Bushy said.
I think I should just refrain from posting when I go low carb… I swear you’d think I was piss drunk as a skunk with some of the bullshit I say because I can’t think straight at all… lol
Thanks for all the advice guys. I am glad I posted before starting the cycle. This has got to be the best damn site in the world.
After all my reading and researching it looks like I am back to square one LOL.
I don’t think I took my age into account when planning this. From what I can gather it seems the cycle is going to be too toxic for me (at my age especially).
I would welcome any ideas on a specific cycle. I was worried about it being too toxic. Thats why I thought the dex would help. I also thought the EQ would help with water retention and harden the muscle so to speak. Seems I am way off with my thinking.
[quote]shaun1rsa wrote:
Thanks for all the advice guys. I am glad I posted before starting the cycle. This has got to be the best damn site in the world.
After all my reading and researching it looks like I am back to square one LOL.
I don’t think I took my age into account when planning this. From what I can gather it seems the cycle is going to be too toxic for me (at my age especially).
I would welcome any ideas on a specific cycle. I was worried about it being too toxic. Thats why I thought the dex would help. I also thought the EQ would help with water retention and harden the muscle so to speak. Seems I am way off with my thinking.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.[/quote]
I don’t think the cycle will be too toxic. I think your biggest concern is recovery. Because of your age, it may take longer to get your natural test levels back, but then again it may not.
The cycle outlined by World could be the way to go. The purpose of the six week stasis, then taper, is to help ease your body back to homeostasis, which could be the most important thing for you. But, with or without Dbol for the first four weeks should be fine.
The a’dex would simply help combat the sides of the extra estrogen - bloating, oily skin, gyno, etc. If you have it on hand, and begin applying it in small doses (.25mg once a day, every other or third day) you should be fine.
Check out Prisoner’s thread on the taper (P-22’s Test Taper) and the many others that outline using it.
500mg/wk of test-e is a sound and simple first cycle. Include the taper, and I think you’ll be fine.
Thanks again 5, World, Bushy for your comments. Lets see if I have this right now. The recommendation is that I do Test E (no Dbol, EQ Anavar or anything else)for 12 weeks at 250mg E3D, then start tapering from week 13.
I have the A’dex on hand if and when I need it at doses no more than .25mg ED or when necessary.
What do I do during recovery time, other than taper?
Well stasis then taper is what I meant. Do you recommend HCG during the cycle as well. If so, in what doses?
Also what ancillaries will I need during the stasis/taper period? Reading through the forums, there seems to be a bit of debate over this and I am not sure what to do exactly.
Thats the thing about the taper. It is your recovery.
100mg/wk for 6 weeks and then 80/60/40/20
Either what you have outlined or a higher dose for 8wks.
Edit: From prisoners posts in the past he doesnt reccomend anything other than the test in the taper. HCG can be used throughout at 250IU 2-3X/wk(Stopping prior to the 100mg/wks). Adex at .25mg EOD(same time to stop). Both of these would be more necessary if you go the higher dose for less weeks.
Just one last question. Are the HCG and ADEX recommended as a precaution, or taken if and when needed? i.e look for symptoms first, then take them if neccesary? Or should I take them anyway just in case?