Advice for Two Month Mass Phase

Training
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[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:
at 150lbs and 10% 5’11 you should look something like this…

skinnygainmass.com/gain-mass/week-1-skinny-gain-mass-quest-stats/

maybe even better.

Once you get there you can then build muscle by bulking for a month and cutting for a week or to back to 10. Going from 10 to 14 % back and forth for about a year. This is what I did and It is not as effective as some other ways but It is far more enjoyable. In a year you can expect to gain about 10 lbs of muscle. (Maybe more I don’t know how your body responds) But in about a year and a half you will have the body you want.

I mean I don’t have as much experience as these guys but make the decision for your self. Look at the guy at 19% were you are now. To build muscle you are going to need tog et into the 20’s Look at the guy at 23 do you actually want to look like that? your still going to build muscle at 10 or at 20 the only difference is you take a month or two off to get to 10 then start. Besides how many people in the real world think you look like shit if your 4 abs show and have a tiny pouch covering the bottom two?
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Ok so apparently Im not allowed to provide links to other sites because of competition or something. So I don’t know if you will get to see it. (I didn’t know this)
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secondly I am no beginner I have made some great gains and know lots. I posted a question for help on here because I wanted advice to take my physique to the next level. [/quote]

Ok BB, im going to tell you this before you are ripped to pieces here.

You need to stop waving this flag and move on, fine it works for you and thats great but did you even look at the guy in the picture you posted?

He looks like a Holocaust victim in desperate need of a large breasted german woman to feed him.

Now dude I can see where your coming from, I used to think like that myself not so long ago but for the love of christ man remember where you are. “T-Nation” The Intelligent and Relentless pursuit of Muscle.

Yeah fine, you could cut too 10% and then bulk to 12% and then cut to 10% and then bulk to 12%… Man, it does not work like that. If it was really that easy to put on muscle then no one would ever need to lose there “ABZ” in order to do it.

The idea youve suggested sounds fine on paper but in RL your just spinning your wheels, and if OP(I hope he is smarter than this) was to take your route he wouldnt look any fucking different from where hes started.

He would cut to 10%, be fucking tiny with no muscle. Bulk to 12%(Still have no muscle), cut too 10% and be right where he started.

Until a beginner like OP or even myself build both a good base of mass and strength bulking and cutting like your talking about is simply pissing in the wind.

“But its what Ive read about, you know gain the lean mass and all”. Yes this is the best way to build muscle and stay reasonably lean BUT what no one tells beginners is that THEY NEED SOME FUCKING MUSCLE TO BEGIN WITH. Simply put, you cannot go anywhere without a decent base.

Its a hard pill to swallow alright, plus its a bit of a back hand because no one ever writes about this Save Ripptoe but unfortionatly there is no way around it.

The method your putting out there would work fine for someone who already has muscle mass, say if OP was 210Lbs at 20%, then it might be a vaild method. Until then your only hammering his progress by suggesting retartd things like you are.

My last point is very simple, LOOK AT THE PEOPLE YOUR ARGUING WITH! Seriously, log onto Prof X’s profile and just look at him. He is a fucking tank and clearly has the experiance to know what hes talking about.

Look at CT’s transformation, the dude was hugh before he cut up. He was big and had the muscle to be able to shred it up, now thats he has done the “getting big” part and has dieted down, Now and ONLY NOW am I sure he is using methods like the one youve outlined.

Look dude, I know you mean well and all but either do a bit more research and make a vaild argument or please stop filling OP’s head with nonsense.

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I haven’t read this whole thread but assuming its the same old sh*t.

[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:

Once you get there you can then build muscle by bulking for a month and cutting for a week or to back to 10. Going from 10 to 14 % back and forth for about a year. [/quote]

If you looked like that picture, bulking for a month is not going to be long enough. This sort of panic cutting IMO should not be brought anywhere near to a skinny beginner, they just need to eat and work hard, simple. Cutting every month is a good way to go if you want to get nowhere.

Why put a limit on him? especially one so low!! As a newb i would aim much higher.

IMO we will and should always want to improve ourselves…I will probabably always think i could be a bit bigger or more cut.

Please post evidence of your great gains and wealth of knowledge.

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[quote]Oregand wrote:
I read the other thread just there and it was great. I never got the V Diet myself. I mean its 500-600 $ for 28 days worth of liquids? How in the hell is that supposed to change your eating habits?

Persoanlly I have no bones against it but think about it this way:

1 can of salmon is 2 Euro here in Ireland, for 5 meals a day for 28 days that works out at just 280 euro. To fill in the missing Kcals, you simply buy a b few bags of nuts in bulk(you can get a 5lbs bag of almonds for around 20 euro here.

Now let me ask you this, how is eating a can of salmon and a handful of nuts 5 times a day for 28 days any different to drinking a shake 5 times a day for 28 days?

Surely if the goal is to develope peoples tastes for healthy foods, the salmon and nuts would have a better chance than drinking your Kcals?

I dont know because Ive never tried it but logically it seesms you could do much better on a whole food like canned salmon or even tuna instead of shakes. Though, what would I know:)
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You know nothing, man. :wink: I kid, I kid.

I read the entire V-Diet thread that X posted, and I saw good arguments from both sides. When I did the diet, the simplicity of it and the taste changes are what made it successful for me. That being said, I wouldn’t disagree with you that some cans of salmon and bags of almonds would be just as simple and invoke the same taste changes.

All I know for sure is that it helped me drop a good deal of fat, inspired my interest in getting stronger and healthier, and I’m glad I’m here. Again though, its perfectly understandable why others don’t like it and why its not for every goal.

More than anything, it was cool to see that I can lose fat and build muscle at the same time. After this post, I’m getting the feeling that, with a clean diet and reasonable caloric surplus, and a strong strength program, I can add mass, get stronger, and still lose some more of my belly.

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[quote]Oregand wrote:

[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:
at 150lbs and 10% 5’11 you should look something like this…

skinnygainmass.com/gain-mass/week-1-skinny-gain-mass-quest-stats/

maybe even better.

Once you get there you can then build muscle by bulking for a month and cutting for a week or to back to 10. Going from 10 to 14 % back and forth for about a year. This is what I did and It is not as effective as some other ways but It is far more enjoyable. In a year you can expect to gain about 10 lbs of muscle. (Maybe more I don’t know how your body responds) But in about a year and a half you will have the body you want.

I mean I don’t have as much experience as these guys but make the decision for your self. Look at the guy at 19% were you are now. To build muscle you are going to need tog et into the 20’s Look at the guy at 23 do you actually want to look like that? your still going to build muscle at 10 or at 20 the only difference is you take a month or two off to get to 10 then start. Besides how many people in the real world think you look like shit if your 4 abs show and have a tiny pouch covering the bottom two?
…
Ok so apparently Im not allowed to provide links to other sites because of competition or something. So I don’t know if you will get to see it. (I didn’t know this)
…

secondly I am no beginner I have made some great gains and know lots. I posted a question for help on here because I wanted advice to take my physique to the next level. [/quote]

Ok BB, im going to tell you this before you are ripped to pieces here.

You need to stop waving this flag and move on, fine it works for you and thats great but did you even look at the guy in the picture you posted?

He looks like a Holocaust victim in desperate need of a large breasted german woman to feed him.

Now dude I can see where your coming from, I used to think like that myself not so long ago but for the love of christ man remember where you are. “T-Nation” The Intelligent and Relentless pursuit of Muscle.

Yeah fine, you could cut too 10% and then bulk to 12% and then cut to 10% and then bulk to 12%… Man, it does not work like that. If it was really that easy to put on muscle then no one would ever need to lose there “ABZ” in order to do it.

The idea youve suggested sounds fine on paper but in RL your just spinning your wheels, and if OP(I hope he is smarter than this) was to take your route he wouldnt look any fucking different from where hes started.

He would cut to 10%, be fucking tiny with no muscle. Bulk to 12%(Still have no muscle), cut too 10% and be right where he started.

Until a beginner like OP or even myself build both a good base of mass and strength bulking and cutting like your talking about is simply pissing in the wind.

“But its what Ive read about, you know gain the lean mass and all”. Yes this is the best way to build muscle and stay reasonably lean BUT what no one tells beginners is that THEY NEED SOME FUCKING MUSCLE TO BEGIN WITH. Simply put, you cannot go anywhere without a decent base.

Its a hard pill to swallow alright, plus its a bit of a back hand because no one ever writes about this Save Ripptoe but unfortionatly there is no way around it.

The method your putting out there would work fine for someone who already has muscle mass, say if OP was 210Lbs at 20%, then it might be a vaild method. Until then your only hammering his progress by suggesting retartd things like you are.

My last point is very simple, LOOK AT THE PEOPLE YOUR ARGUING WITH! Seriously, log onto Prof X’s profile and just look at him. He is a fucking tank and clearly has the experiance to know what hes talking about.

Look at CT’s transformation, the dude was hugh before he cut up. He was big and had the muscle to be able to shred it up, now thats he has done the “getting big” part and has dieted down, Now and ONLY NOW am I sure he is using methods like the one youve outlined.

Look dude, I know you mean well and all but either do a bit more research and make a vaild argument or please stop filling OP’s head with nonsense.[/quote]

I think I need more muscle first. And I really would not be surprised if I still drop some fat in the process. Its all about the right diet and the right training.

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[quote]iamthesamurai wrote:

More than anything, it was cool to see that I can lose fat and build muscle at the same time. After this post, I’m getting the feeling that, with a clean diet and reasonable caloric surplus, and a strong strength program, I can add mass, get stronger, and still lose some more of my belly.[/quote]

Absolute Money right there

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[quote]Oregand wrote:

[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:
at 150lbs and 10% 5’11 you should look something like this…

skinnygainmass.com/gain-mass/week-1-skinny-gain-mass-quest-stats/

maybe even better.

Once you get there you can then build muscle by bulking for a month and cutting for a week or to back to 10. Going from 10 to 14 % back and forth for about a year. This is what I did and It is not as effective as some other ways but It is far more enjoyable. In a year you can expect to gain about 10 lbs of muscle. (Maybe more I don’t know how your body responds) But in about a year and a half you will have the body you want.

I mean I don’t have as much experience as these guys but make the decision for your self. Look at the guy at 19% were you are now. To build muscle you are going to need tog et into the 20’s Look at the guy at 23 do you actually want to look like that? your still going to build muscle at 10 or at 20 the only difference is you take a month or two off to get to 10 then start. Besides how many people in the real world think you look like shit if your 4 abs show and have a tiny pouch covering the bottom two?
…
Ok so apparently Im not allowed to provide links to other sites because of competition or something. So I don’t know if you will get to see it. (I didn’t know this)
…

secondly I am no beginner I have made some great gains and know lots. I posted a question for help on here because I wanted advice to take my physique to the next level. [/quote]

Ok BB, im going to tell you this before you are ripped to pieces here.

You need to stop waving this flag and move on, fine it works for you and thats great but did you even look at the guy in the picture you posted?

He looks like a Holocaust victim in desperate need of a large breasted german woman to feed him.

Now dude I can see where your coming from, I used to think like that myself not so long ago but for the love of christ man remember where you are. “T-Nation” The Intelligent and Relentless pursuit of Muscle.

Yeah fine, you could cut too 10% and then bulk to 12% and then cut to 10% and then bulk to 12%… Man, it does not work like that. If it was really that easy to put on muscle then no one would ever need to lose there “ABZ” in order to do it.

The idea youve suggested sounds fine on paper but in RL your just spinning your wheels, and if OP(I hope he is smarter than this) was to take your route he wouldnt look any fucking different from where hes started.

He would cut to 10%, be fucking tiny with no muscle. Bulk to 12%(Still have no muscle), cut too 10% and be right where he started.

Until a beginner like OP or even myself build both a good base of mass and strength bulking and cutting like your talking about is simply pissing in the wind.

“But its what Ive read about, you know gain the lean mass and all”. Yes this is the best way to build muscle and stay reasonably lean BUT what no one tells beginners is that THEY NEED SOME FUCKING MUSCLE TO BEGIN WITH. Simply put, you cannot go anywhere without a decent base.

Its a hard pill to swallow alright, plus its a bit of a back hand because no one ever writes about this Save Ripptoe but unfortionatly there is no way around it.

The method your putting out there would work fine for someone who already has muscle mass, say if OP was 210Lbs at 20%, then it might be a vaild method. Until then your only hammering his progress by suggesting retartd things like you are.

My last point is very simple, LOOK AT THE PEOPLE YOUR ARGUING WITH! Seriously, log onto Prof X’s profile and just look at him. He is a fucking tank and clearly has the experiance to know what hes talking about.

Look at CT’s transformation, the dude was hugh before he cut up. He was big and had the muscle to be able to shred it up, now thats he has done the “getting big” part and has dieted down, Now and ONLY NOW am I sure he is using methods like the one youve outlined.

Look dude, I know you mean well and all but either do a bit more research and make a vaild argument or please stop filling OP’s head with nonsense.[/quote]

Duuuuuuuude, wall text response to that shit? Youse just got trolled hard.

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[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:

[quote]Oregand wrote:

[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:
at 150lbs and 10% 5’11 you should look something like this…

skinnygainmass.com/gain-mass/week-1-skinny-gain-mass-quest-stats/

maybe even better.

Once you get there you can then build muscle by bulking for a month and cutting for a week or to back to 10. Going from 10 to 14 % back and forth for about a year. This is what I did and It is not as effective as some other ways but It is far more enjoyable. In a year you can expect to gain about 10 lbs of muscle. (Maybe more I don’t know how your body responds) But in about a year and a half you will have the body you want.

I mean I don’t have as much experience as these guys but make the decision for your self. Look at the guy at 19% were you are now. To build muscle you are going to need tog et into the 20’s Look at the guy at 23 do you actually want to look like that? your still going to build muscle at 10 or at 20 the only difference is you take a month or two off to get to 10 then start. Besides how many people in the real world think you look like shit if your 4 abs show and have a tiny pouch covering the bottom two?
…
Ok so apparently Im not allowed to provide links to other sites because of competition or something. So I don’t know if you will get to see it. (I didn’t know this)
…

secondly I am no beginner I have made some great gains and know lots. I posted a question for help on here because I wanted advice to take my physique to the next level. [/quote]

Ok BB, im going to tell you this before you are ripped to pieces here.

You need to stop waving this flag and move on, fine it works for you and thats great but did you even look at the guy in the picture you posted?

He looks like a Holocaust victim in desperate need of a large breasted german woman to feed him.

Now dude I can see where your coming from, I used to think like that myself not so long ago but for the love of christ man remember where you are. “T-Nation” The Intelligent and Relentless pursuit of Muscle.

Yeah fine, you could cut too 10% and then bulk to 12% and then cut to 10% and then bulk to 12%… Man, it does not work like that. If it was really that easy to put on muscle then no one would ever need to lose there “ABZ” in order to do it.

The idea youve suggested sounds fine on paper but in RL your just spinning your wheels, and if OP(I hope he is smarter than this) was to take your route he wouldnt look any fucking different from where hes started.

He would cut to 10%, be fucking tiny with no muscle. Bulk to 12%(Still have no muscle), cut too 10% and be right where he started.

Until a beginner like OP or even myself build both a good base of mass and strength bulking and cutting like your talking about is simply pissing in the wind.

“But its what Ive read about, you know gain the lean mass and all”. Yes this is the best way to build muscle and stay reasonably lean BUT what no one tells beginners is that THEY NEED SOME FUCKING MUSCLE TO BEGIN WITH. Simply put, you cannot go anywhere without a decent base.

Its a hard pill to swallow alright, plus its a bit of a back hand because no one ever writes about this Save Ripptoe but unfortionatly there is no way around it.

The method your putting out there would work fine for someone who already has muscle mass, say if OP was 210Lbs at 20%, then it might be a vaild method. Until then your only hammering his progress by suggesting retartd things like you are.

My last point is very simple, LOOK AT THE PEOPLE YOUR ARGUING WITH! Seriously, log onto Prof X’s profile and just look at him. He is a fucking tank and clearly has the experiance to know what hes talking about.

Look at CT’s transformation, the dude was hugh before he cut up. He was big and had the muscle to be able to shred it up, now thats he has done the “getting big” part and has dieted down, Now and ONLY NOW am I sure he is using methods like the one youve outlined.

Look dude, I know you mean well and all but either do a bit more research and make a vaild argument or please stop filling OP’s head with nonsense.[/quote]

Duuuuuuuude, wall text response to that shit? Youse just got trolled hard.[/quote]

Im actually not trolling I genuinely believe in what im saying.

I didn’t say 10 to 12 i said 10 to 14 to build some muscle. He could even go from 10 to 16 but no more than that.

Listen I took a look at your photos (oregand) and prof X’s like you said. Let me start by saying your right Prof X does look huge and I congratulate him on his size. Im assuming he is all natural so yes he has great progress. To you I congratulate after seeing the overweight pics and the now pics. And I can see the point you make about getting to low body fat and having nothing. Im guessing this happened to you because you dieted to fast and lost muscle size or didn’t have that much to begin with.

I don’t have pictures to show you but Im definitely more advanced than the pictures I saw of you. Maybe your body structure makes you look smaller or something but you have the amount of mass I did about 15 lbs ago.

the method I have been using has worked well for me so far up to know and this is why I joined T nation. The guy in the picture hardly looks like a holocaust survivor and a joke like that can be offensive to some. Iamthesamurai wants to build muscle without a lot of fat which is doable. The progress will be slower but he wont have to put on any extra weight. He does not want to reach prof X’s size so he does not need such extreme measures. He is looking for an extra 10 to 20lbs and to drop to around 12 % bf. My approach is simple.

get really lean 10% wich is attainable whilst trying to maintain strength. from 19 to 10 about 1 month of training. This will rise his insulin sensitivity and help him build more muscle.

eat calories in excess to go from 10 to 15 in a month then cut back to 10. Do this for about 1 year. your right by the time he cuts back he would have barley grown any muscle at all but being a newbie still he could gain 10lbs in a year. He will keep doing it until he grows about 15lbs of muscle then stay at an attainable 12% body fat. at 5’11 and 160 lbs 12% he will have the body he wants in about a year and a half.

what ever he does after than is his call.

…and to answer his question (Advice for two month mass phase) at 19% which is almost 20 you shoudn’t be thining about a mass phase. My opinion.

One more thing I should point out the guy posting this question wants to look better he is not body-builder obsessive. (NO offence intended to anyone who is. Im with you) if you asked 1 million women which body the prefer. the picture of the holocaust survivor or a Prof X 20% bf with a swollen gut I guarantee you at least 80% will choose the skinny guy with definition.

And yes i realise this is a body-building website and am not insulting anyone’s physique.

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Dude, the guy in your pic looks like he weighs 120 lbs TOPS. If you think that is muscular in any way, you need to rethink your interest in bodybuilding.

I’m pretty sure you’re a troll, though. The “19% which is almost 20 you shouldn’t be thinging about a mass phase” pretty much gave it away.

Bet ya had a good laugh.

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[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:
I don’t have pictures to show you but Im definitely more advanced than the pictures I saw of you.

[/quote]

Obvious troll is now obvious.

You are telling me you are one of 12 people in the world without a camera phone?

Bullshit.

More like you have made ZERO fucking progress with your method and want to continue talking shit rather than putting up or shutting up…

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I thought I was in the bodybuilding forum for a second lol.

To the OP, never do a mass phase for that short of time noone who is very big did that when they first started making great progress.

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Erm

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:
I don’t have pictures to show you but Im definitely more advanced than the pictures I saw of you.

[/quote]

Obvious troll is now obvious.

You are telling me you are one of 12 people in the world without a camera phone?

Bullshit.

More like you have made ZERO fucking progress with your method and want to continue talking shit rather than putting up or shutting up…

[/quote]

check out his “genetic potential” thread. he makes all these claims of a 36 inch vert, 4.4 4o yard dash, 27 inch quads with a 28 inch waist and is a highschool kid/just out of highschool.

but he wont put any pics or vids up of anything. also he admits to being a troll in that thread.

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.Yea I have a camera phone but nothing to connect it to the computer.

.Read The bulking article on T-Nation where it says that there is no point in going over 10% bf.

.that guy in the photo is 149lbs so Haha you clearly don’t know squat.

.Look at the photo the guy provided he wanted to look like.

.Gregron the stats I said are real and I don’t really care If you don’t believe me.

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[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:

.Yea I have a camera phone but nothing to connect it to the computer.[/quote]

Text it to your email you fucking donkey.

I fear your reading comprehension fucking sucks if that is what you got out of that article.

That “guy” in the photo looks like a weak, pale skinny fat son of a bitch.

You you are proving MY point.

You are a lying ass troll, nothing more.

What satisfaction do you get out of trolling the internet? Is your life really this pathetic that you have to give fucked up advice to people? OP is a real person, who will FAIL at reaching his goals if he listens to you. Is his failure the only thing stopping you from hating yourself more than you already do?

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Just put him on your ignore list and he’ll eventually get bored

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I have always relied on the following line of thinking…“if you shoot for the most extreme goals, even if you fall short you will likely still be ahead of most other people around”.

[/quote]

I use a variation of these same words when I’m training a client and trying to get them to lift more be it a squat or a press. I use these words.
" The average person walking through life is looking at the pavement when trying to reach goals in life. When you lift you need to aim for the moon, worst thing that can happen is that you will land on a mountain. You know what happens the average person? They miss all the important things in life and most likely trip on the same thing they kept staring at. Don’t set low ass goals like everyone else and trip up. Now make this damn weight move!"

I’m yet to give a struggling client this speech while training and see them fall flat. The hard ass last set feels like the first warm up after words like that.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:

.Yea I have a camera phone but nothing to connect it to the computer.[/quote]

Text it to your email you fucking donkey.

I fear your reading comprehension fucking sucks if that is what you got out of that article.

That “guy” in the photo looks like a weak, pale skinny fat son of a bitch.

You you are proving MY point.

You are a lying ass troll, nothing more.

What satisfaction do you get out of trolling the internet? Is your life really this pathetic that you have to give fucked up advice to people? OP is a real person, who will FAIL at reaching his goals if he listens to you. Is his failure the only thing stopping you from hating yourself more than you already do?[/quote]

I tried Putting on a photo but it says something about dimensions 500x 1000 or something how can I fit the photo on?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

“Man, the things you don’t know about me could fill one big ass book”
-Jefferson Twilight- Black Vampire Hunter (The Venture Brothers)[/quote]

HIJACK - awesome show, well done X

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For those interested, I started my training log. The link is below. Thanks again for everyone’s help!

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Wow thread is big, didn’t read it all. Going off your first post I would just say this to you

If you just want to be ‘toned up’ or like Georges Stpierre (spelling?)

Train like your trying to become Ronnie Colman LOL, cause you might get lucky and end up like Georges St pierre lol

Edit: oops thread resurrection lol soz