Advice for Two Month Mass Phase

Training
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[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:
How do you know that? How do you know how much muscle this guy has
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Because the OP said he is 5’11" 185 lbs at 19% bodyfat. That means his LBM is only 150lbs. Thats how he knows how much muscle this guy has.[/quote]

…lol…wrecked…thanks.
(Quite obvious I didn’t read his whole post)

anyway 185lbs with 150lbs of lean mass It is extremely attainable to get to 10%[/quote]

Damn I wish you would shut the fuck up. We only get idiots like you every once in a while, but every single time it amazes that none of you know when to stop making yourselves look like fools.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Bunny Bench wrote:
How do you know that? How do you know how much muscle this guy has
[/quote]

Because the OP said he is 5’11" 185 lbs at 19% bodyfat. That means his LBM is only 150lbs. Thats how he knows how much muscle this guy has.[/quote]

…lol…wrecked…thanks.
(Quite obvious I didn’t read his whole post)

anyway 185lbs with 150lbs of lean mass It is extremely attainable to get to 10%[/quote]

Damn I wish you would shut the fuck up. We only get idiots like you every once in a while, but every single time it amazes that none of you know when to stop making yourselves look like fools.[/quote]

I think its revenge of the trolls, or is it epsiode 2 the trolls strike back?

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iamthesamurai, I rarely post here because I’m too young and inexperienced to be giving out advice. One thing for certain though, don’t listen to Beach Bunny, he’s started 2 threads in the past week and they’re total disasters because he demonstrates an inability to listen and has the temperament of an 8 year old on speed.

Now, the reason everyone is so critical and not giving out the advice you want is because they realize that there is a problem with the way you’re thinking about this. They’re trying to change your mind as to how stuff is achieved. Unless you are a genetic freak, and from your history we see you’re not, you will never look like Arnold. BUT to get the results you want you have to focus and train balls out like you’re trying to build the greatest physique in the world and stop when you like what you see in the mirror.

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[quote]Tex32 wrote:
iamthesamurai, I rarely post here because I’m too young and inexperienced to be giving out advice. One thing for certain though, don’t listen to Beach Bunny, he’s started 2 threads in the past week and they’re total disasters because he demonstrates an inability to listen and has the temperament of an 8 year old on speed.

Now, the reason everyone is so critical and not giving out the advice you want is because they realize that there is a problem with the way you’re thinking about this. They’re trying to change your mind as to how stuff is achieved. Unless you are a genetic freak, and from your history we see you’re not, you will never look like Arnold. BUT to get the results you want you have to focus and train balls out like you’re trying to build the greatest physique in the world and stop when you like what you see in the mirror.[/quote]

Well said. Thanks! I think I’m starting to get the hang of it (see my last couple of posts).

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[quote]Tex32 wrote:
iamthesamurai, I rarely post here because I’m too young and inexperienced to be giving out advice. One thing for certain though, don’t listen to Beach Bunny, he’s started 2 threads in the past week and they’re total disasters because he demonstrates an inability to listen and has the temperament of an 8 year old on speed.

Now, the reason everyone is so critical and not giving out the advice you want is because they realize that there is a problem with the way you’re thinking about this. They’re trying to change your mind as to how stuff is achieved. Unless you are a genetic freak, and from your history we see you’re not, you will never look like Arnold. BUT to get the results you want you have to focus and train balls out like you’re trying to build the greatest physique in the world and stop when you like what you see in the mirror.[/quote]

Bingo.

Well said for a newb. I was beginning to think most of you were morons.

I have always relied on the following line of thinking…“if you shoot for the most extreme goals, even if you fall short you will likely still be ahead of most other people around”.

In other words, I may not want to be as big as Ronnie Coleman, but you can damn sure bet if I want motivation for reaching my own goals, it would be in my best interest to follow what the greatest have done as far as overall approach.

This used to be called ‘common sense’…but as we can see, the need to make mediocrity seem great has buried that today.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This used to be called ‘common sense’…[/quote]

common sense isnt very common these days

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If your diet is bad, clean it up, but don’t start calorie cutting diets like the V-Diet. Train hard for your event, and for a conditioning event you’re definitely going to need calories. If you train to win, the guys physique you want is pretty close to average for an athlete. Just understand when it comes to pictures he has better lighting and photoshop in his favor.

Unless your are an extreme beginner 1 set of 10 and set of 1 for everything twice a week isn’t going to help you much. They cater much more to the crossfit, or kettlebell conditioning crowd. So if you can’t think of something pick a routine from one of those, and add a few miles of running.

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If your diet is bad, clean it up, but don’t start calorie cutting diets like the V-Diet. Train hard for your event, and for a conditioning event you’re definitely going to need calories. If you train to win, the guys physique you want is pretty close to average for an athlete. Just understand when it comes to pictures he has better lighting and photoshop in his favor.

Unless your are an extreme beginner 1 set of 10 and set of 1 for everything twice a week isn’t going to help you much. They cater much more to the crossfit, or kettlebell conditioning crowd. So if you can’t think of something pick a routine from one of those, and add a few miles of running.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
If your diet is bad, clean it up, but don’t start calorie cutting diets like the V-Diet. Train hard for your event, and for a conditioning event you’re definitely going to need calories. If you train to win, the guys physique you want is pretty close to average for an athlete. Just understand when it comes to pictures he has better lighting and photoshop in his favor.

Unless your are an extreme beginner 1 set of 10 and set of 1 for everything twice a week isn’t going to help you much. They cater much more to the crossfit, or kettlebell conditioning crowd. So if you can’t think of something pick a routine from one of those, and add a few miles of running. [/quote]

Thanks for the thoughts, Airtruth!

Its funny that you mentioned the V-Diet just now. I know I mentioned it in my original post, but I was just about to ask what everyone’s opinion is on the diet in general and specifically for my goals. Would doing it again for 28 days be worthwhile seeing as I gained some muscle and lost fat while on it the last time?

Thanks!

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I think we covered all of the major opinions about the V-Diet in the T-Cell already (hell, I even bumped the damn thread two weeks ago so people wouldn’t miss it…but you still missed it). You may want to look around the site more.

Every single question you are asking has been asked and answered several times over.

That is why there was no need for this thread.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/blog_sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_alpha/say_no_to_vd

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Oregand wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Whoever this “Bunnybench” guy is, he needs to post far less. Anyone telling someone with this little lean body mass to DIET DOWN first is retarded. It would help if beginners would quit giving other beginners advice.

As far as the goal of looking like Georges St. Pierre, I think you are wasting your time. Your goals are your own, but when you pick a goal of looking very average, it has been seen over and over that you are LESS likely to even reach that goal.

Anyone serious should be bigger than that in less than a year of serious weight lifting. By jumping into this half interested with goals this minimal, I seriously doubt you will ever get to that point.

You are looking for unrealistic results in an unrealistic time frame with unrealstic expectations.
You seem only willing to listen to other clueless people who will tell you what you want to hear.

Nearly all of the people you have agreed with are people I would HATE to see give any other newbs advice.[/quote]

The blind leading the willing yeah?

Well as this biggest guy in this thread what would you recommend for this guy or any other clueless beginners like him?
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I wouldn’t.

Anyone clueless enough to keep repeating they don’t want to get as big as Dorian when they are carrying LESS than 150lbs of lean body mass on their frame is likely too far gone and self absorbed to listen to what will help them most anyway.

That is like walking into a medical school the first day and announcing, “Hey guys, I don’t want to get TOO GOOD at doing surgical procedures so I won’t listen to how the best were educated. I want to listen to the people who dropped out!”

I don’t have time for dumbassery. I see way too fucking much of daily as it is.

If people want hand holding and sweet nothings whispered, I am not the one.

This shit is hard work, whether you want to look like Georges St. Pierre or who the fuck ever.

Someone already talking about how muscular they DON’T want to get isn’t ready…for life.[/quote]

LMFAO. The cluelessness of the OP and guys who support his goals is why I stay out of the vast majority of any of the training forums on here. This is even more frustrating than dealing with the people in SAMA, at times.

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They don’t understand that they are holding themselves back with that shit.

I personally have never joined a website and just started posting without looking around. In the past 10 years, I do not believe there could possibly be a new question that has not been answered already…but they act like since it moved beyond page one, they can’t be bothered to go look.

The average beginner truly has NO reason to post AT ALL until they build a solid base of mass. Every possible question has been answered enough to pull that off…and I am pretty sure I probably answered 80% of them or more.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think we covered all of the major opinions about the V-Diet in the T-Cell already (hell, I even bumped the damn thread two weeks ago so people wouldn’t miss it…but you still missed it). You may want to look around the site more.

Every single question you are asking has been asked and answered several times over.

That is why there was no need for this thread.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/blog_sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_alpha/say_no_to_vd[/quote]

My apologies, Professor. Got it. I’m re-reading Thibs “Beginner” articles and am going to give it a shot designing my program. I’ll post that later.

Thanks!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The average beginner truly has NO reason to post AT ALL until they build a solid base of mass. Every possible question has been answered enough to pull that off…and I am pretty sure I probably answered 80% of them or more.[/quote]

How about posting my proposed program when I put it together? Would that be a reasonable thing to ask for feedback on? Yes, I know that any decent program will give me results, but I want to maximize mine. No other questions from me, just an evaluation of what I will be embarking on.

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Well, to tell the truth, you give a completely different vibe now than when you first posted. No one has any problem helping you out. We have a problem with idiots who think they know it all even though they have NOTHING to show for it.

No one has an issue critiquing a program…but I am not sure someone at your stage or even mental state should be doing a damn thing but following what someone else wrote.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Well, to tell the truth, you give a completely different vibe now than when you first posted. No one has any problem helping you out. We have a problem with idiots who think they know it all even though they have NOTHING to show for it.
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I’m trying, Professor. Ha ha. I certainly don’t know it all and I’m seeing that the right vibe and mindset is important.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
No one has an issue critiquing a program…but I am not sure someone at your stage or even mental state should be doing a damn thing but following what someone else wrote.[/quote]

I’ll attempt putting a program together if for no reason other than to learn something in the process. If you guys think my program is junk, I’ll stick to someone else’s for the time being.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think we covered all of the major opinions about the V-Diet in the T-Cell already (hell, I even bumped the damn thread two weeks ago so people wouldn’t miss it…but you still missed it). You may want to look around the site more.

Every single question you are asking has been asked and answered several times over.

That is why there was no need for this thread.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/blog_sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_alpha/say_no_to_vd[/quote]

Brilliant thread, am readin through it as we speak.

And you were a personal trainer prof X? Man, that would have been fucking awesome.

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[quote]Oregand wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think we covered all of the major opinions about the V-Diet in the T-Cell already (hell, I even bumped the damn thread two weeks ago so people wouldn’t miss it…but you still missed it). You may want to look around the site more.

Every single question you are asking has been asked and answered several times over.

That is why there was no need for this thread.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/blog_sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_alpha/say_no_to_vd[/quote]

Brilliant thread, am readin through it as we speak.

And you were a personal trainer prof X? Man, that would have been fucking awesome.[/quote]

“Man, the things you don’t know about me could fill one big ass book”
-Jefferson Twilight- Black Vampire Hunter (The Venture Brothers)

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at 150lbs and 10% 5’11 you should look something like this…

skinnygainmass.com/gain-mass/week-1-skinny-gain-mass-quest-stats/

maybe even better.

Once you get there you can then build muscle by bulking for a month and cutting for a week or to back to 10. Going from 10 to 14 % back and forth for about a year. This is what I did and It is not as effective as some other ways but It is far more enjoyable. In a year you can expect to gain about 10 lbs of muscle. (Maybe more I don’t know how your body responds) But in about a year and a half you will have the body you want.

I mean I don’t have as much experience as these guys but make the decision for your self. Look at the guy at 19% were you are now. To build muscle you are going to need tog et into the 20’s Look at the guy at 23 do you actually want to look like that? your still going to build muscle at 10 or at 20 the only difference is you take a month or two off to get to 10 then start. Besides how many people in the real world think you look like shit if your 4 abs show and have a tiny pouch covering the bottom two?
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Ok so apparently Im not allowed to provide links to other sites because of competition or something. So I don’t know if you will get to see it. (I didn’t know this)
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secondly I am no beginner I have made some great gains and know lots. I posted a question for help on here because I wanted advice to take my physique to the next level.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Oregand wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think we covered all of the major opinions about the V-Diet in the T-Cell already (hell, I even bumped the damn thread two weeks ago so people wouldn’t miss it…but you still missed it). You may want to look around the site more.

Every single question you are asking has been asked and answered several times over.

That is why there was no need for this thread.

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/blog_sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_alpha/say_no_to_vd[/quote]

Brilliant thread, am readin through it as we speak.

And you were a personal trainer prof X? Man, that would have been fucking awesome.[/quote]

“Man, the things you don’t know about me could fill one big ass book”
-Jefferson Twilight- Black Vampire Hunter (The Venture Brothers)[/quote]

Lol, we may never know:P

I read the other thread just there and it was great. I never got the V Diet myself. I mean its 500-600 $ for 28 days worth of liquids? How in the hell is that supposed to change your eating habits?

Persoanlly I have no bones against it but think about it this way:

1 can of salmon is 2 Euro here in Ireland, for 5 meals a day for 28 days that works out at just 280 euro. To fill in the missing Kcals, you simply buy a b few bags of nuts in bulk(you can get a 5lbs bag of almonds for around 20 euro here.

Now let me ask you this, how is eating a can of salmon and a handful of nuts 5 times a day for 28 days any different to drinking a shake 5 times a day for 28 days?

Surely if the goal is to develope peoples tastes for healthy foods, the salmon and nuts would have a better chance than drinking your Kcals?

I dont know because Ive never tried it but logically it seesms you could do much better on a whole food like canned salmon or even tuna instead of shakes. Though, what would I know:)