[quote]Professor X wrote:
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.[/quote]
How many people that use straight sets get any where near 450 lb bench?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
kingbeef323 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dave_ wrote:
I mostly agree on the push/pull/legs point.
I think that if one is seriously limiting volume, then there is little wrong with push/pull (as per DC training - some of those guys are monsters).
However, even with the limited volume (one rest/pause set per muscle group) I have found that my performance drops off so much by the last bodypart that I have no option but to split things up further - my split is now:
- Chest/Triceps
- Shoulders
- Back width
- Back thickness/Biceps
- Quads/Hams/Calves
Even with just a single rest/pause set per bodypart (3 minisets) it is simply useless for me to hit shoulders AFTER chest AND triceps.
As for cardio, I don’t see the point in it other than maintaining fitness levels. For fatloss diet by far outweighs any amount of cardio.
Still, everyone’s different I suppose, so if you need it, do it. During a separate session would be my recommendation though.
I trained up to three body parts a training session when I first started. That ended when I truly started feeling my workouts suffer towards the end due to the increased weight used.
My training now is usually so draining that attempting to train anything else on shoulder day would be a waste of time. Between overhead presses, shrugs, lateral raises and some variant of front raises (or high incline press), I am fried.
I’ve always been one to listen to the words of those more experienced than myself. I suppose this is just one of those things that you have to experience for yourself to truly grasp. Do you think I could be making even better progress if I trained differently? I know initially I had the same thoughts when I was deciding on whether to implement this style of training but just decided to try it and see for myself instead of speculating and it worked very well. Now I’m wondering if it was specifically because of the training or the fact that in these past few months my nutrition has been more spot on than ever.
I think you are at that point where you are moving from a beginner to a very well informed intermediate lifter. Your genetics are better than most and now may be the time to start asking yourself whether changes need to be made.
Again, I trained like that as a beginner. I didn’t train like that once I got near 200lbs.
Your strength levels and how you feel at the end of the workout are what will determine what you do. If what you are doing is still working for you, keep it up.[/quote]
This is the point a lot of people refuse to understand or never get strong enough to understand.
The “Starting Strenght” 5x5 calls for squats 3x/week. It’s a beginner program and will.not.work. once you get past a certain strength level because you can’t recover from one squat day in time for the next on that template. At that point you will need an intermediate template.
You should train muscle groups as often enough as will allow them to recover and supercompensate, but not more often. Certainly not less often.
You do chest 1x/week because you’re using brutally heavy weights. MOst of the rest of us are not.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then 
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.[/quote]
Well I figured since I wasn’t using any type of impressive weight yet ramping wasn’t required, and to get to the point where it IS required I needed to work up in this manner.
[quote]josh86 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Call me crazy, but I think doing cardio immediately after weights is one of the biggest mistakes people make when trying to lose fat. I see that as being very muscle wasting.
I have always had the same thinking.[/quote]
From my own experience, One can avoid this with pre and during workout carbs and protein. IMO, It all depends on the duration of your workout and the duration of Cardio. Lately I have been trying to avoid any muscle wasting by consuming 50 carbs 50 protein pre and 5g bcaa with another 25 carbs before cardio. 35 min workout followed by 20 min cardio 6 days a week and has done wonders for burning fat and holding on to that hard earned muscle. Sundays are carb up refeed days. This may not work with most peri para workout nutrition plans, but it works for me.
[quote]JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.
Well I figured since I wasn’t using any type of impressive weight yet ramping wasn’t required, and to get to the point where it IS required I needed to work up in this manner. [/quote]
You do realize that I use to be much weaker, right?
When guys like you write crap like this, it implies that you think ramping up in weight will somehow decrease how fast you increase strength.
WHY do you think that?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.
Well I figured since I wasn’t using any type of impressive weight yet ramping wasn’t required, and to get to the point where it IS required I needed to work up in this manner.
You do realize that I use to be much weaker, right?
When guys like you write crap like this, it implies that you think ramping up in weight will somehow decrease how fast you increase strength.
WHY do you think that?[/quote]
I don’t necessarily think it will decrease how fast I increase in strength, I just thought it was a more advanced technique that wasn’t really needed for someone at my level. I have a general idea of how ramping works but I’m unsure of what types of intervals to use. Have you outlined how you do your ramping in another thread somewhere you could point me to?
[quote]JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.
Well I figured since I wasn’t using any type of impressive weight yet ramping wasn’t required, and to get to the point where it IS required I needed to work up in this manner.
You do realize that I use to be much weaker, right?
When guys like you write crap like this, it implies that you think ramping up in weight will somehow decrease how fast you increase strength.
WHY do you think that?
I don’t necessarily think it will decrease how fast I increase in strength, I just thought it was a more advanced technique that wasn’t really needed for someone at my level. I have a general idea of how ramping works but I’m unsure of what types of intervals to use. Have you outlined how you do your ramping in another thread somewhere you could point me to?[/quote]
I don’t calculate out how much I ramp by. i do what feels right for me. If I go up to 5 plates a side on chest presses, I will start with 2 or 3 plates depending on how I feel and just go up a plate each set.
It seems to me some of you are STUCK on this beginner shit…which is why all of these cries for where I, Bodybuilder is make me laugh.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.
Well I figured since I wasn’t using any type of impressive weight yet ramping wasn’t required, and to get to the point where it IS required I needed to work up in this manner.
You do realize that I use to be much weaker, right?
When guys like you write crap like this, it implies that you think ramping up in weight will somehow decrease how fast you increase strength.
WHY do you think that?
I don’t necessarily think it will decrease how fast I increase in strength, I just thought it was a more advanced technique that wasn’t really needed for someone at my level. I have a general idea of how ramping works but I’m unsure of what types of intervals to use. Have you outlined how you do your ramping in another thread somewhere you could point me to?
I don’t calculate out how much I ramp by. i do what feels right for me. If I go up to 5 plates a side on chest presses, I will start with 2 or 3 plates depending on how I feel and just go up a plate each set.
It seems to me some of you are STUCK on this beginner shit…which is why all of these cries for where I, Bodybuilder is make me laugh.[/quote]
Ok cool. I’m a bit overdue for a routine overhaul at this point anyway so I’ll try employing set ramping and see how it works out for me. Thanks for the responses I appreciate your insight.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.
Well I figured since I wasn’t using any type of impressive weight yet ramping wasn’t required, and to get to the point where it IS required I needed to work up in this manner.
You do realize that I use to be much weaker, right?
When guys like you write crap like this, it implies that you think ramping up in weight will somehow decrease how fast you increase strength.
WHY do you think that?
I don’t necessarily think it will decrease how fast I increase in strength, I just thought it was a more advanced technique that wasn’t really needed for someone at my level. I have a general idea of how ramping works but I’m unsure of what types of intervals to use. Have you outlined how you do your ramping in another thread somewhere you could point me to?
I don’t calculate out how much I ramp by. i do what feels right for me. If I go up to 5 plates a side on chest presses, I will start with 2 or 3 plates depending on how I feel and just go up a plate each set.
It seems to me some of you are STUCK on this beginner shit…which is why all of these cries for where I, Bodybuilder is make me laugh.[/quote]
I am not yet super strong and I have been doing something that kind of blends both approaches. For example, on bench press, I will ramp up to a certain weight. Say 135 x 10, 155 x 8, 185 x 5 and then with 225 do three sets of maybe 7,5,4 or as many as I can get. I have assumed that since I am not using extreme weights that this is okay from a recovery standpoint.
To clarify, I would only use the first set at 225 to gauge progress. I.E. when I hit 225 x 8, I move up in weight. The other two sets were just to insure muscle stimulation and continue to get comfortable with the weight. From your above post does this seem stupid to you? I have been progessing well, but anything that improves performance I am for.
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.
Well I figured since I wasn’t using any type of impressive weight yet ramping wasn’t required, and to get to the point where it IS required I needed to work up in this manner.
You do realize that I use to be much weaker, right?
When guys like you write crap like this, it implies that you think ramping up in weight will somehow decrease how fast you increase strength.
WHY do you think that?
I don’t necessarily think it will decrease how fast I increase in strength, I just thought it was a more advanced technique that wasn’t really needed for someone at my level. I have a general idea of how ramping works but I’m unsure of what types of intervals to use. Have you outlined how you do your ramping in another thread somewhere you could point me to?
I don’t calculate out how much I ramp by. i do what feels right for me. If I go up to 5 plates a side on chest presses, I will start with 2 or 3 plates depending on how I feel and just go up a plate each set.
It seems to me some of you are STUCK on this beginner shit…which is why all of these cries for where I, Bodybuilder is make me laugh.
I am not yet super strong and I have been doing something that kind of blends both approaches. For example, on bench press, I will ramp up to a certain weight. Say 135 x 10, 155 x 8, 185 x 5 and then with 225 do three sets of maybe 7,5,4 or as many as I can get. I have assumed that since I am not using extreme weights that this is okay from a recovery standpoint.
To clarify, I would only use the first set at 225 to gauge progress. I.E. when I hit 225 x 8, I move up in weight. The other two sets were just to insure muscle stimulation and continue to get comfortable with the weight. From your above post does this seem stupid to you? I have been progessing well, but anything that improves performance I am for.
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That sounds just fine, brother. That is what we have been trying to get across to people for a very long time.
if you have to bring up lagging legs X, would you not agree that a push/pull/legs or simply an upper/lower split would have to be the only way to go unless you further want to imbalance?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.[/quote]
When starting a program like stronglifts 5x5, its recommended that you warm up and maintain a constant weight through out the five sets and next work out increase the weight by 2.5 kgs. Not because its the ‘best way to get really big and really strong’ but it prevents stalling on a weight earlier. Training this way also keeps the beginners interested and motivated as they can see their weights increasing systematically through out every session and also master technique.
Answering your question…
[quote]NZ RABBIT wrote:
if you have to bring up lagging legs X, would you not agree that a push/pull/legs or simply an upper/lower split would have to be the only way to go unless you further want to imbalance?[/quote]
You need an upper lower split just to prioritize legs? Really? There is no way to train legs twice a week without doing an “upper lower split”?
[quote]lankstar wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.
When starting a program like stronglifts 5x5, its recommended that you warm up and maintain a constant weight through out the five sets and next work out increase the weight by 2.5 kgs. Not because its the ‘best way to get really big and really strong’ but it prevents stalling on a weight earlier. Training this way also keeps the beginners interested and motivated as they can see their weights increasing systematically through out every session and also master technique.
Answering your question…
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How is that answering my question?
How does using 5x5 stop people from stalling at a weight? As if people ramping up in weight are stalling out and not progressing?
Have you gotten “really big and really strong” from this? I don’t mean that you gained some muscle. I mean have you gotten extremely large from this? Maybe some of you should stop worrying about training “like a beginner”. It might help you avoid looking like one for several years.
Couple of things:
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Have you ever seen the author of Stronglifts, or his lifts? He is small and weak
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Re the chest/shoulders/tris, I dont think its the case that advanced people have to split them out, there are examples of people doing Doggcrapp who are strong as hell, and damn big. You cant do the same sort of volume you would do if you split them out, but it can work
[quote]Professor X wrote:
lankstar wrote:
Professor X wrote:
JLu wrote:
Professor X wrote:
snoopabu3 wrote:
drop the weight on the dumbbell rows and really focus on keeping your grip tight throughout the movement. as you go up in weight you’ll feel yourself developing an iron grip. matt kroc talked about how they’re a cure-all back exercise and, in my experience, he’s right.
That’s a good idea…and the key is to simply think it out. I never did any specific movements for my grip. I just quit relying so much on wrist straps (whereas I used to use them a lot for shrugs mostly). Some of the problem, Jlu, may also be that you aren’t gaining enough body weight and muscle to see much of a difference. If your strength isn’t increasing without straps, then check your diet first and then possibly keep straps in ONLY for the heaviest portion of the set scheme (assuming you aren’t doing something retarded like keeping the weight the same for all sets).
Err…right…I guess I’ll stop doing that then
Seriously, that may really be your problem since you would HAVE to use straps for all sets because you don’t ramp your weight up.
For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong?
If you attempt a 450lbs bench press with no ramp or very significant warm up, just get yourself ready for a weightlifting career ending injury.
When starting a program like stronglifts 5x5, its recommended that you warm up and maintain a constant weight through out the five sets and next work out increase the weight by 2.5 kgs. Not because its the ‘best way to get really big and really strong’ but it prevents stalling on a weight earlier. Training this way also keeps the beginners interested and motivated as they can see their weights increasing systematically through out every session and also master technique.
Answering your question…
How is that answering my question?
How does using 5x5 stop people from stalling at a weight? As if people ramping up in weight are stalling out and not progressing?
Have you gotten “really big and really strong” from this? I don’t mean that you gained some muscle. I mean have you gotten extremely large from this? Maybe some of you should stop worrying about training “like a beginner”. It might help you avoid looking like one for several years.
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I said it would prevent you from stalling on a weight EARLIER, keeping people keen on going to the gym because their weights are increasing nearly every session.
your question was ‘For the record, why do people think that is the best way to get really big and really strong’, and as i said above i didn’t say it’s THE best method, i just provided you with a reason as to why people implement this method. (btw out of curiosity where did anyone suggest it was the best method?)
And from this method i actually was able to squat 1.5 (120kg) my body weight starting the program with a 90 kg squat. i think thats a decent effort i did get stronger and put on mass…
[quote]Anonymas wrote:
Couple of things:
- Have you ever seen the author of Stronglifts, or his lifts? He is small and weak
[/quote]
Yep. He is small and weak as fuck. And he’s been training for 10 years!! I recently looked on his training log to see what all the fuss is about with this “Stronglifts” program.
He wrote something like:
“67.6kg x 5 x 5 on bench - yay!”
Who the fuck is yaying over benching 67.5kg after 10 years of lifting?!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
NZ RABBIT wrote:
if you have to bring up lagging legs X, would you not agree that a push/pull/legs or simply an upper/lower split would have to be the only way to go unless you further want to imbalance?
You need an upper lower split just to prioritize legs? Really? There is no way to train legs twice a week without doing an “upper lower split”?[/quote]
Fully agree that you can increase the frequency of the ‘legs’ days however I assume you would still have a chest day, shoulders day, arms day, back day etc?!
If you then counted the number of sets for the upper body compared to the lower, there would be massively more for the upper (and thus further increasing the imbalance).
Unless of course you only intend to train for 20-30 mins on each upper day?
[quote]NZ RABBIT wrote:
Professor X wrote:
NZ RABBIT wrote:
if you have to bring up lagging legs X, would you not agree that a push/pull/legs or simply an upper/lower split would have to be the only way to go unless you further want to imbalance?
You need an upper lower split just to prioritize legs? Really? There is no way to train legs twice a week without doing an “upper lower split”?
Fully agree that you can increase the frequency of the ‘legs’ days however I assume you would still have a chest day, shoulders day, arms day, back day etc?!
If you then counted the number of sets for the upper body compared to the lower, there would be massively more for the upper (and thus further increasing the imbalance).
Unless of course you only intend to train for 20-30 mins on each upper day? [/quote]
Well even on a normal bodypart split, the amount of upper to lower volume is disproportionate. There are alot more bodyparts that are associated with “Upper” and would not really be classed as an imbalance.
Heaps of people on these forums are doing bodypart splits and not worried about creating volume based imbalances because they know that they cant train Legs the same way they train their Upper body.
Say you split legs up the way we do with the upper body, you would have a Quad and Hamstring day (which some people do) then also a day specifically for calves, glutes and if you wanted to be extreme tibialis anterior!
IF you did split upper and lower days, then alot of people here would probably say that it isn’t enough volume for the upper body.
Also, when mentioning upper/lower split as the “only” way to increase Leg training frequency shows that you’re naive and not very imaginitive and you’re probably limiting yourself in alot of ways when it comes to training!
[quote]NZ RABBIT wrote:
Professor X wrote:
NZ RABBIT wrote:
if you have to bring up lagging legs X, would you not agree that a push/pull/legs or simply an upper/lower split would have to be the only way to go unless you further want to imbalance?
You need an upper lower split just to prioritize legs? Really? There is no way to train legs twice a week without doing an “upper lower split”?
Fully agree that you can increase the frequency of the ‘legs’ days however I assume you would still have a chest day, shoulders day, arms day, back day etc?!
If you then counted the number of sets for the upper body compared to the lower, there would be massively more for the upper (and thus further increasing the imbalance).
Unless of course you only intend to train for 20-30 mins on each upper day? [/quote]
Are you serious with this? You thought we needed to train legs an equal amount of times in a week that we train every muscle of the upper body? WTF?
I train my legs on average once a week. They measure over 30". How about yours?
Yeah, I seriously doubt how heavy you are training if you are truly doing heavy squats multiple times a week. My guess is your overall progress is way less than those who don’t think in such a small box.