A Treatise On Human Muscle

bigmac73nh · February 13, 2012, 3:27pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]want2getlean wrote:

[quote]Raw Finn wrote:
It’s impossible to say that someone should be relatively stronger, because we are all different.[/quote]

We are all the same and obey to all the exact same biological principles.[/quote]

Honestly, you haven’t posted one thing since you started posting here that added any value to a discussion.[/quote]

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While I do think a lot of guys play up genetics a bit too much, they DO play into the equation. As does the stage of development of a given individual. Exercises/techniques may be more or less effective based on genetic factors (limb length, muscle insertion points, etc) as well as the developed form/MMC/etc of an individual. It’s all about realizing the hand you’re dealt as far as individual biomechanics and applying relevant training techniques based on your current development in terms of your goals.

And seriously, your random bits of “wisdom” about how T Nation/the supplement industry/whateverfuckingelse are full of shit are getting old. Oh wait, there’s marketing involved in moving products? Thank you for your deep, deep insight into the workings of reality. Not to mention, you don’t lend a whole lot of credibility to your statements when you try to come off as thoroughly educated and jaded by all the great knowledge you’ve attained in posts like the above and then start other threads discussing how you throw down PH’s/stims/recs seemingly at random. It looks like shit when you try to come off like you’ve figured everything out in some posts, then clearly acknowledge that you still don’t have your shit together in others. A little consistency might be nice.

P.S. In before you start flaming X and discrediting everything he says because you don’t like him

NinjaLEO · February 13, 2012, 3:52pm

^^Hahahaha damn

spar4tee · February 13, 2012, 3:57pm

[quote]want2getlean wrote:
Not that there’s absolutely anything wrong with a bodybuilder being ‘weak’ by powerlifting standards, I just find unathletic mass freaks amusing, just as much as the skinny ‘doesnt even look like he lifts’ guys putting up raw 2000lb totals are entertaining and surprising.
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Just wanted to say there are no “skinny ‘doesnt even look like he lifts’ guys putting up raw 2000lb totals”. That is all.

ryanbCXG · February 13, 2012, 4:00pm

What the hell happened to this thread in a few short hours. Love it though

NinjaLEO · February 13, 2012, 4:04pm

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
What the hell happened to this thread in a few short hours. Love it though[/quote]
The one eyed man trying to lead the blind out of the optometrist’s office

spar4tee · February 13, 2012, 4:04pm

[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
Simply put, you think the nfl causes people to have good genetics. [/quote]

BONEZ217 · February 13, 2012, 4:07pm

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
What the hell happened to this thread in a few short hours. Love it though[/quote]

More than what appears.

A few lulzy posts were deleted apparently.

NinjaLEO · February 13, 2012, 4:08pm

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]want2getlean wrote:
Not that there’s absolutely anything wrong with a bodybuilder being ‘weak’ by powerlifting standards, I just find unathletic mass freaks amusing, just as much as the skinny ‘doesnt even look like he lifts’ guys putting up raw 2000lb totals are entertaining and surprising.
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Just wanted to say there are no “skinny ‘doesnt even look like he lifts’ guys putting up raw 2000lb totals”. That is all.[/quote]
I hope this dude was just trying to be funny and exaggerate his point, thus going to extremes as the OP put it, for theatrical effect, but for the description given about him above and his adhering to the concept that we are all alike with no differences, one can only hope.

Raw_Finn · February 13, 2012, 4:53pm

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Raw Finn wrote:
So, what you are saying is that if someone is big, that person should be as strong as he looks as well? Why? What does other people’s preferences regarding building size and strength have to do with you? And what does “as strong as he looks” mean anyway? It’s impossible to say that someone should be relatively stronger, because we are all different. [/quote]

I’ve tried asking him that. He’ll only try to equivocate his way out.

Typically, when someone accuses a bodybuilder of being weak or insecure, they are more often than not trying to disguise their own self-doubt at seeing someone who looks better than they do.[/quote]
Yeah, it seems.

Professor_X · February 13, 2012, 5:26pm

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
What the hell happened to this thread in a few short hours. Love it though[/quote]

More than what appears.

A few lulzy posts were deleted apparently. [/quote]

Really?

What posts were deleted?

chitown34 · February 13, 2012, 5:53pm

Strength is abstract… Someone who is a champ in the big 3 may suck at the oly lifts. An oly lifter may suck at strong man events. The strong man may suck at high rep work. The bodybuilder may suck when it comes to something like sport-based strength (football, wrestling, etc…) Does it matter? All the individuals above, even elite, might be considered “weak” by members of another training discipline and despite what people think, strength is subjective.

Lonnie123 · February 13, 2012, 6:02pm

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
Simply put, you think the nfl causes people to have good genetics. [/quote]
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Ha… I’m glad someone else caught that. That was my official “Im done here” moment. There is no way that what I said could possibly be taken to mean that.

The guy is either a troll extraordinaire, or incapable of having a proper discussion… In either event, I’m out.

bigmac73nh · February 13, 2012, 6:37pm

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
Simply put, you think the nfl causes people to have good genetics. [/quote]
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Oh man, why are we worried about the little questions like “does mass correlate to strength?”

…when we should clearly be asking the big ones like “how does causality work?”

BRB going to look up NFL tryouts.

want2getlean · February 13, 2012, 7:12pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]want2getlean wrote:

[quote]Raw Finn wrote:
It’s impossible to say that someone should be relatively stronger, because we are all different.[/quote]

We are all the same and obey to all the exact same biological principles.[/quote]

We aren’t all the same. Most here likely won’t have the genetics to build arms bigger than 18" without drugs. How could that be if we all worked exactly the same?[/quote]

‘Building 18" arms’ is as relevant to biology as ‘people of different height obey different laws of physics’

You do arm exercises, get stronger on them, eat right, and your arms fucking grow. Period.
I don’t give a shit about genetics or how big you can become, the process and biological processes are the exact same.

and lmfao @ most people not being able to build 18" naturally. Where you come up with these ridiculous arbitrary numbers and try to pass them off as remotely relevant discussion is beyond me.

want2getlean · February 13, 2012, 7:13pm

[quote]chitown34 wrote:
Strength is abstract… Someone who is a champ in the big 3 may suck at the oly lifts. An oly lifter may suck at strong man events. The strong man may suck at high rep work. The bodybuilder may suck when it comes to something like sport-based strength (football, wrestling, etc…) Does it matter? All the individuals above, even elite, might be considered “weak” by members of another training discipline and despite what people think, strength is subjective.[/quote]

Strength is very specific. One of the most specific aspects of physical fitness.

You are discussing aptitude.

want2getlean · February 13, 2012, 7:21pm

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

And seriously, your random bits of “wisdom” about how T Nation/the supplement industry/whateverfuckingelse are full of shit are getting old. Oh wait, there’s marketing involved in moving products? Thank you for your deep, deep insight into the workings of reality.
[/quote]

Level 4 crying about a supplement callout?
Shocking.

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:
Not to mention, you don’t lend a whole lot of credibility to your statements when you try to come off as thoroughly educated and jaded by all the great knowledge you’ve attained in posts like the above and then start other threads discussing how you throw down PH’s/stims/recs seemingly at random. It looks like shit when you try to come off like you’ve figured everything out in some posts, then clearly acknowledge that you still don’t have your shit together in others. A little consistency might be nice.
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Hey bro, I might be fucked up and a PED abuser, but at least I’m realistic.
If you stopped spending all your money on Indigo, Finibars, Metabolic Drive et al and started pinning, you could actually look like a bodybuilder!

Godamn, I hope this post doesn’t get me banned.
It seems like around here, the strongest insults are a-ok, but any discreditation on Biotest supplements is worth a warning or a suspension.

Professor_X · February 13, 2012, 7:42pm

[quote]want2getlean wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]want2getlean wrote:

[quote]Raw Finn wrote:
It’s impossible to say that someone should be relatively stronger, because we are all different.[/quote]

We are all the same and obey to all the exact same biological principles.[/quote]

We aren’t all the same. Most here likely won’t have the genetics to build arms bigger than 18" without drugs. How could that be if we all worked exactly the same?[/quote]

‘Building 18" arms’ is as relevant to biology as ‘people of different height obey different laws of physics’

You do arm exercises, get stronger on them, eat right, and your arms fucking grow. Period.
I don’t give a shit about genetics or how big you can become, the process and biological processes are the exact same.

and lmfao @ most people not being able to build 18" naturally. Where you come up with these ridiculous arbitrary numbers and try to pass them off as remotely relevant discussion is beyond me.
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Genetics drive how those processes function and to what degree of efficacy. To ignore this is just plain foolish.

But hey, please keep typing so everyone else here can see how retarded your posts are.

truetomuscle · February 13, 2012, 7:43pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]want2getlean wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]want2getlean wrote:

[quote]Raw Finn wrote:
It’s impossible to say that someone should be relatively stronger, because we are all different.[/quote]

We are all the same and obey to all the exact same biological principles.[/quote]

We aren’t all the same. Most here likely won’t have the genetics to build arms bigger than 18" without drugs. How could that be if we all worked exactly the same?[/quote]

‘Building 18" arms’ is as relevant to biology as ‘people of different height obey different laws of physics’

You do arm exercises, get stronger on them, eat right, and your arms fucking grow. Period.
I don’t give a shit about genetics or how big you can become, the process and biological processes are the exact same.

and lmfao @ most people not being able to build 18" naturally. Where you come up with these ridiculous arbitrary numbers and try to pass them off as remotely relevant discussion is beyond me.
[/quote]

Genetics drive how those processes function and to what degree of efficacy. To ignore this is just plain foolish.

But hey, please keep typing so everyone else here can see how retarded your posts are.[/quote]

His post isn’t retarded it is part of the discussion.

Professor_X · February 13, 2012, 7:54pm

[quote]truetomuscle wrote: