sounds good. as i’m trying to shift gears from boyish to manly. with proper diet, exercise and precise supplementation. much thanks for the feedback.
30 eggs a week
100g rolled oats a day
1kg fish a week
1.5kg chicken a week
500g mince a week
1-2 scoops of whey protein per day
1 pint of whole milk per day
340g peanut butter per week
1 tin of fish per day
That should go somewhere to gaining you some mass…
‘supplements’ are just that; supplements. they will only supplement what you do outside of that. if you have a good diet and a good training regiment; they will have a better effect then eating like shit and being a lump on a log @ the gym.
order what you wanna order then while it’s being shipped out make a food log, go shopping, write out your workout plan and get to WORK!!!
'nuff said! i’d say this thread is successfully completed.
excellant data
[quote]Mod Brian wrote:
chimera182 wrote:
Apart from being absorbed slower, the difference is that MD is meant more as a meal replacement, rather than just a way to get some extra protein.
This isn’t true.
Both Grow! Whey and Metabolic Drive Low-Carb Protein Shake are protein powders with very little carbohydrates or fats.
Metabolic Drive Complete is an MRP.[/quote]
My mistake, I thought that we were referring to MD Complete.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
DCSB2610 wrote:
I weigh around 130 lbs and don’t have much work out experience. how do I intelligently use this magic?
stop right there. Eat 2500 calories a day, PLUS a whole pizza EVERY SINGLE DAY for the next 6 months. Then you should start worrying about something other then protein. Trust me, I’m saving you a ton of money for shit that won’t make a difference at where you are.[/quote]
Don’t you love how important information is always left out of these types of posts?
“Hey, what’s the best supplement stack for mass? But I won’t tell you that I’m only 130lbs and have just started lifting and don’t really know a whole lot about nutrition or training”
Listen to Zep. Save your money. Eat more food. Train hard and consistently for the next few years. When you’ve built up your size and strength, then come back and consider supplements.
Most of what you listed won’t do jack for you except to waste your money that could be better spent on food and gym goodies (membership, weights or stuff for your home, etc.).
i’m starting with bodyweight calisthenics… thought ZMA, REZ-V, and Rhodiola at least would be useful even at this starting level.
no?
as for mass gainer, i’m between getting either Grow!, Metabolic Drive, Metabolic Drive Complete, myoplex, and cytogainer… though at the moment this least of my concerns… i’m mostly curious as to whether ZMA, REZ-V and Rhodiola can have beneficial advantages in low doses even for a beginner like myself.
[quote]DCSB2610 wrote:
so then! based on what i’ve read, eating a lot a lot more and vigorously training regularly is the way to go.
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Not trying to be a jerk, but did this though just occur to you?
You’re getting way ahead of yourself with supplements if this is the case and you haven’t been training or eating appropriately to reach your goals.
If you’re having trouble getting enough protein in your diet, start using Metabolic Drive Complete and then put your energy into training and eating.
Other muscle-building supplements are not going to help until you start challenging your body with regular heavy workouts and provide it with the foods require to grow.
ok so i’m getting down to my last questions for this one.
how long do ZMA, REZ-V and Rhodiola keep if I were to put them aside for a while?
see, I was considering experimenting with smaller doses, like half or one whole pill rather than two or three, etc
and of course, in addition to vigorously training and eating a lot first of all.
this thread went longer than i expected but kudos to ya guys for pitchin’ me yr angles.
cheers!
You want to gain some mass?
http://www.holytaco.com/if-i-die-bacon-related-death-id-it-be-because
that looks appetizing at about step 2 but beyond that, yech!
[quote]DCSB2610 wrote:
i’m starting with bodyweight calisthenics… thought ZMA, REZ-V, and Rhodiola at least would be useful even at this starting level.
no?[/quote]
Body-weight calisthenics for mass and growth eh? Well, good luck with that.(roll eyes)
Like nearly everone here has said already; lift heavy shit and eat.
The only supplements that you could have any use for at this point are protein and fish oil.
Hard work produces results.
Lift heavy and eat, rinse, repeat.
Get plenty of sleep, don’t binge drink, smoke, or do any other destructive activities that will inhibit recovery.
I’d recommend “Starting Strentgh” until you have a good base. Build strength and size will follow. Once you stall on SS, there are plenty of options for changing things up.
As it stands now, you are weak.
The best prescription for change is a combination of heavy weight and food. You know what to do now get to it.
don’t cut pills unless they are scored specifically for that. It messes with the time it takes your body to absorb and in some cases can lead to an OD. Of course I doubt you could OD with the majority of the health supplements but it’s pretty much not a good habit to be in unless you know a lot about the pill your splitting
So now I’m interested in Flameout, Superfood, Grow!, Metabolic Drive Low-Carb, Metabolic Drive Complete, Surge Recovery, and Creatine.
How would a 130lbs male beginner in strength training go about utilizing these items. I’m trying to boost T-levels and bulk up. Then lift heavy stuff to sculpt that bulk into functional muscle that’s also built for show. 
Where’s the veterans when ya need 'em?
I’m not what I would call a veteran but I would definitely say put Flameout, Surge, and one of the proteins as a staple - either low carb or Grow! Other than that you’re in the same boat as I am and wasting money buying more products that you won’t see results with. Don’t worry about boosting T-levels yet. Stick to compound lifts and after a few weeks - a month tops - you’ll notice the increase. Flameout helps with that a little bit too. I was also sleeping like crap (kept waking up) so I added in ZMA and now I sleep like a baby and wake up pretty refreshed and for 15 bucks its pretty much worth it.
[quote]DCSB2610 wrote:
So now I’m interested in Flameout, Superfood, Grow!, Metabolic Drive Low-Carb, Metabolic Drive Complete, Surge Recovery, and Creatine.
How would a 130lbs male beginner in strength training go about utilizing these items. I’m trying to boost T-levels and bulk up. Then lift heavy stuff to sculpt that bulk into functional muscle that’s also built for show.
Where’s the veterans when ya need 'em
[/quote]
Stop!
By all means buy the Flameout because fish oil is good. If you really really want to buy some protein buy Grow!.
You are obviously a complete beginner and have basically found loads of terms, listed below from your posts, and gone into information overload.
Get Starting Strength …READ ALL OF IT
Then eat 1g+/lb bodweight of protein a day.
Take 0.5g/lb bw carb and 1g/lb protein before your workout and then 1/1.5 after.
Look for all the articles about GROWTH nutrition.
Your bottles of “hoodoo” supplements are only going to make an effect on people who have been training for 5+ years at a high level. Of you are not one.
List of terms misused:
hard-gainer
featherweight with
high metabolism
increase testosterone
…actually having re-read all your posts I think you are a troll
ha that made me chuckle.
i can be a tad over-zealous at times.
where does one find the GROWTH nutrition articles?
kudos for the reality check.
One more time just incase you still don’t get it.
You are making a TEXTBOOK mistake. You are an absolute beginner who has done some homework and read the sales pitches in articles on this site. Now you are overloaded with information and think you won’t make progress without supplements.
Now, I’ll give you this. I KNOW where you are coming from. It’s fun to order and try out supplements. But everyone here has told you to FORGET about all that shit.
THERE ARE NO VARIABLES YOU NEED TO MANIPULATE WITH SUPPLEMENTATION. NO NEED FOR TEST BOOSTERS, RECOVERY DRINKS.
You worried about recovery? Eat a whole quality pizza with a 60g protein shake after a workout. There you go.
So many people get brainwashed into thinking if you eat too much your gonna turn obese without any warning signs, that if you don’t log every activity you do for your training everything else cancels out, that your gonna die of micronutrient difficiency if you don’t have superfood.
YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO. STOP THINKING ABOUT IT NOW AND HIT THE GYM
ALL you NEED to do is bust your ass and lift heavy shit, and eat a shit ton of high protein food with carbs and fats.
god it