A**hole at Gym has a Problem with PL

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]bears wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]bears wrote:
Just because someone is big and has a good physique does not make them an authority on anything. The best thing to do with people like this is to engage them in conversation and demand answers. Usually they out themselves as ignorant within about 5-10 minutes of conversation. Next time you see him ask him why he never tests his one rep max. Demand that he tell you why. If he does say he tests it than ask him why the hell he was telling you not to.

DO NOT let people like him off the hook. He sounds like a dick[/quote]

This advice is 100%, grade A, retarded…the guy will just raise his voice and make the dude feel like shit

I think OP handled the situation (assuming its not made up) about as well as possible truthfully…ignoring the dude in the gym next time is the next step, and if he keeps saying shit to you eventually tel him to fuck off
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bullshit. the old guy is used to people walking away and not calling him on his bullshit like you’re telling him to do. the old guy had no intention of being engaged in intelligent conversation. the old guy was just using the kid to make himself look cool. his advice was not meant to help only to embarrass.

the OP should respectfully ask the guy to explain himself. once guys like this are asked to explain themselves they fold like lawn chairs.

he can avoid any future confrontation by not giving the guy what he wants. YOU are telling him to ignore the guy until he gets REALLY mad, then explode on the guy and swear at him. and you say that MY advice is retarded?? really??[/quote]

Kid: Ummm…excuse me, sir, can I have “5-10 minutes” of your time to converse with you on the merits of your training philosophy versus mine?
Old man: Why the hell would you want to do that? I’m much bigger than you so obviously I know what I’m talking about
Kid: Well…ummm…“I demand to know why do you not test your 1 rep max?”
Old man: I didn’t get these guns from testing my 1 RM kisses gunz…nobody needs to do 1RM to get hyoge
Kid: well…ummm…that didn’t last 5-10 minutes…umm…good day sir

Yup, you’re right bears…great advice man…giving a guy seeking attention the attention that he seeks is definitely the right way to go about things that have absolutely no bearing in the grand scheme of your life…im sorry for calling your advice retarded earlier, I was wrong and you were right, this is exactly how to handle a situation…
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i think you need to lay off the caffeine.

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[quote]bears wrote:
You tell the same people that you’re running in a marathon and everybody starts fucking blowing each other.

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Is that how you kids are doing it these days? :slight_smile:

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]bears wrote:
You tell the same people that you’re running in a marathon and everybody starts fucking blowing each other.

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Is that how you kids are doing it these days? :)[/quote]

i wish it really was that easy. cuz i would run in 50 marathons a year

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[quote]bears wrote:

too many people are inundated with this “squatting and deadlifting is bad for you” by people selling useless fitness gadgets. i’m so fucking sick of it.

it’s funny because I tell people that I participate in powerlifting and they give me that 1000 yard stare and tell me to be careful. You tell the same people that you’re running in a marathon and everybody starts fucking blowing eachother.
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QFT. This is one of the most perceptive posts I’ve ever read on here.

This basically describes every discussion I’ve ever had with anybody outside of lifting about my training. Sometimes peoples’ ignorance about the subject is absolutely astounding.

I find the only way to not let it get to you is enjoy it. Remember that they will never know the exhilaration of being almost crushed but then breaking through squat PBs like you have, or that feeling of tiredness you only get after a truly hard deadlift session. You are all the richer as a person for having experienced those things.

I try to thrive on that feeling - the feeling of being the only one with the balls to train like that (at least among co-workers etc.), and let it motivate me to do more - to ascend further beyond them, and truly become a god among insects.

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[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
It was because you are young and smaller, and he was older, bigger, and a know it all.
You should have asked him if he ever trained to failure.

When I was younger I was training at a commercial gym, doing pull ups. This beefy looking guy is walking around using sponges when doing curls (in the rack). He comes up and says that I should get gloves, or even better sponges like him, so I don’t get callouses. I just thanked him, and said I would think about it. People are well intentioned with their opinions.

Throughout my time training I have had many well intentioned gym members come and tell me how to do pretty well every exercise or or lift. I think that this happens to everyone at some time in their lives, and not just with lifting either. It could be at work or any place really. Just be polite and laugh it off.

Oh as for your miss on the squat. That’s why they make those pins.[/quote]

Even worse, I have sometimes had them be right.

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[quote]bears wrote:

[quote]canada wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]canada wrote:

I wouldn’t believe any the numbers if they said you get less injuried PLing then you do for more moderate lifting. Studies are for the birds in a lot of cases.[/quote]

If you are interested in more “moderate” forms of lifting, why the fuck are you on this website?[/quote]

Huh? Where the fuck did i say i was interested in moderate lifting?

Anyhow, i have no problems adding numbers. YOU RISK INJURY MORE IF YOU TRAIN LIKE A POWERLIFTER THEN A TRADITIONAL BODYBUILDER.

If you don’t feel this is an accurate statement, you might want to go back to school. LMAO[/quote]

seriously disagree with this statement. how do you figure? i would say that bodybuilders are taking sets past the point of failure way more often than a powerlifter. I would venture to say that this type of lifting would tend to invite more injury than a powerlifting routine where the lifter rarely takes a set to the point of failure. yes its heavy. but heavy is relative to the lifter.

an earlier poster said it best. when you take ANY sport to the next level, your chance of injury goes up. the more you push boundaries, the riskier ANY activity becomes.

too many people are inundated with this “squatting and deadlifting is bad for you” by people selling useless fitness gadgets. i’m so fucking sick of it.

my wife teaches crossfit. she gets a lot of former long distance runners as clients. let me tell you. they’re bodies are beat to hell.

it’s funny because I tell people that I participate in powerlifting and they give me that 1000 yard stare and tell me to be careful. You tell the same people that you’re running in a marathon and everybody starts fucking blowing eachother.

doesn’t someone die almost every year in the boston marathon?[/quote]

Good point about failure.

I don’t really care what will hurt you more really. Fuck i was in worst shape when i was a lard/lazy ass 6 or 7 years ago, lying around the house all the time. Knee, shoulder, back, all complaining.

Nagging aches and/or injuries are apart of most people’s life IME. Might at least.

btw Funny shit dude. I would be a wreak myself if i was a long distance runner. Much worst then training with heavy stuff.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:

[quote]bears wrote:

too many people are inundated with this “squatting and deadlifting is bad for you” by people selling useless fitness gadgets. i’m so fucking sick of it.

it’s funny because I tell people that I participate in powerlifting and they give me that 1000 yard stare and tell me to be careful. You tell the same people that you’re running in a marathon and everybody starts fucking blowing eachother.
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QFT. This is one of the most perceptive posts I’ve ever read on here.

This basically describes every discussion I’ve ever had with anybody outside of lifting about my training. Sometimes peoples’ ignorance about the subject is absolutely astounding.

I find the only way to not let it get to you is enjoy it. Remember that they will never know the exhilaration of being almost crushed but then breaking through squat PBs like you have, or that feeling of tiredness you only get after a truly hard deadlift session. You are all the richer as a person for having experienced those things.

I try to thrive on that feeling - the feeling of being the only one with the balls to train like that (at least among co-workers etc.), and let it motivate me to do more - to ascend further beyond them, and truly become a god among insects.

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Good post dude.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:

[quote]bears wrote:

too many people are inundated with this “squatting and deadlifting is bad for you” by people selling useless fitness gadgets. i’m so fucking sick of it.

it’s funny because I tell people that I participate in powerlifting and they give me that 1000 yard stare and tell me to be careful. You tell the same people that you’re running in a marathon and everybody starts fucking blowing eachother.
[/quote]

QFT. This is one of the most perceptive posts I’ve ever read on here.

This basically describes every discussion I’ve ever had with anybody outside of lifting about my training. Sometimes peoples’ ignorance about the subject is absolutely astounding.

I find the only way to not let it get to you is enjoy it. Remember that they will never know the exhilaration of being almost crushed but then breaking through squat PBs like you have, or that feeling of tiredness you only get after a truly hard deadlift session. You are all the richer as a person for having experienced those things.

I try to thrive on that feeling - the feeling of being the only one with the balls to train like that (at least among co-workers etc.), and let it motivate me to do more - to ascend further beyond them, and truly become a god among insects.

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this guy gets it. couldn’t have said it better myself.

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I might be more screwed up than I thought. I’m old…I guess @53, I like bodybuilding, and got into powerlifting this year. Yes my back is screwed up, but lifting had nothing to do with it. My back actually behaves more when I am lifting regularly. Taking time off is when it acts up. I think the muscle keeps it healthier.

I see people doing stupid crap all the time, rarely say anything, not my place. Besides some of the stuff I do probably looks stupid to somebody.

My advice to the OP thank the guy for his opinion, then do another set of squats.

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People using Dave Tate as an example are forgetting that he was REALLY devoted to getting the highest total possible for quite a while regardless of the costs. He readily admits that most of his injuries could have been prevented if he had been cautious.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:

QFT. This is one of the most perceptive posts I’ve ever read on here.

This basically describes every discussion I’ve ever had with anybody outside of lifting about my training. Sometimes peoples’ ignorance about the subject is absolutely astounding.

I find the only way to not let it get to you is enjoy it. Remember that they will never know the exhilaration of being almost crushed but then breaking through squat PBs like you have, or that feeling of tiredness you only get after a truly hard deadlift session. You are all the richer as a person for having experienced those things.

I try to thrive on that feeling - the feeling of being the only one with the balls to train like that (at least among co-workers etc.), and let it motivate me to do more - to ascend further beyond them, and truly become a god among insects.

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Oh, that was beautiful! tear

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Yeah I can hurt my back squatting 700 pounds, but yet I can also hurt it picking up a 2 foot diameter log when I cut wood. I could also hurt it at work grabbing 200 pound 12’ chunks of round stock. My dad could hurt his back by grabbing 1"x100’ cables at work. My grandpa hurt his back by falling down, This bodybuilder could hurt his back by injecting his HGH in his ass.

Theres more then one way to hurt your back, and its usually not one from powerlifting.

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im 19 and ive had the same issues as you with powerlifting in my gym. theres 2 older guys at my gym who were pretty accomplished lifters but thats it and they barely lift anymore. im the only one. its just a commercial gym at the hockey arena here, but its decent size and lots of people go. im doing my own tweaked version of a 5/3/1 program so im constantly getting criticized by buddies at the gym that im lazy and i get shit for failing on lifts now and then. they say im on roids cuz i barely lift but put up big weights. my brother is the worst critic, hes a BB’er who does 2 hour long workouts every day yet i outlift him by quite a bit and he thinks ill get stronger if i stopped being “lazy”.

but theres an older guy at my gym about 40, not all that old for a lifter, whos one of the know it all types. always coming up to guys telling them how to lift. hes bigger, but i outlift him easily, he uses the old age excuse. but he does praise me for being the strongest kid at my gym. but he tried to correct me on deadlifting. told me i need to get down below parallel and basically squat the weight up. i tried it for a few workouts to make him happy (i was fuckin pissed but gave it a try) and it was retarded, its alot easier for me to pull the weight up using my hams, almost stiff legged, shorter range of motion too. the guy reads up on strength training, but he read a rippetoe book and tried telling me my forms all fucked up and ill kill my back blah blah apparently the deadlift is one size fits all and he reads a book now hes an expert. no disrespect to mark at all but i prefer wendlers version of lifting over anyones, simple and to the point.

but when i switched back to my regular form i pulled the heaviest id ever pulled. so i learned something there lol. theres always the guys like him saying you’ll hurt your back on damn near every lift (he says it alot to everyone), looking to critique form and tell you how to lift. they sense weakness in you, like they’re better then you, so they dont hesitate to tell you how to lift, which is fine if they know theyre stuff and are nice about it. the guy you got sounds ignorant as hell, but theres no sense in trying to get thru to people like that. they dont understand and they never will. just keeping getting big lifts and let your lifting do the talking

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I don’t understand why it pisses you off? I got it if you don’t agree, but maybe the old guys see a youngun with potential, and they just don’t want to see you scew it up.

I was immortal when I was 19, fricken bullet proof bad sumbitch. Never had a pulled muscle till I was 23. I wish I had someone who was experienced to learn from. Just because it’s an old war horse dosen’t mean it was never a bullet proof sumbitch. He might not know crap…but then again he might.

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[quote]Spooner21 wrote:
im 19 and ive had the same issues as you with powerlifting in my gym. theres 2 older guys at my gym who were pretty accomplished lifters but thats it and they barely lift anymore. im the only one. its just a commercial gym at the hockey arena here, but its decent size and lots of people go. im doing my own tweaked version of a 5/3/1 program so im constantly getting criticized by buddies at the gym that im lazy and i get shit for failing on lifts now and then. they say im on roids cuz i barely lift but put up big weights. my brother is the worst critic, hes a BB’er who does 2 hour long workouts every day yet i outlift him by quite a bit and he thinks ill get stronger if i stopped being “lazy”.

but theres an older guy at my gym about 40, not all that old for a lifter, whos one of the know it all types. always coming up to guys telling them how to lift. hes bigger, but i outlift him easily, he uses the old age excuse. but he does praise me for being the strongest kid at my gym. but he tried to correct me on deadlifting. told me i need to get down below parallel and basically squat the weight up. i tried it for a few workouts to make him happy (i was fuckin pissed but gave it a try) and it was retarded, its alot easier for me to pull the weight up using my hams, almost stiff legged, shorter range of motion too. the guy reads up on strength training, but he read a rippetoe book and tried telling me my forms all fucked up and ill kill my back blah blah apparently the deadlift is one size fits all and he reads a book now hes an expert. no disrespect to mark at all but i prefer wendlers version of lifting over anyones, simple and to the point.

but when i switched back to my regular form i pulled the heaviest id ever pulled. so i learned something there lol. theres always the guys like him saying you’ll hurt your back on damn near every lift (he says it alot to everyone), looking to critique form and tell you how to lift. they sense weakness in you, like they’re better then you, so they dont hesitate to tell you how to lift, which is fine if they know theyre stuff and are nice about it. the guy you got sounds ignorant as hell, but theres no sense in trying to get thru to people like that. they dont understand and they never will. just keeping getting big lifts and let your lifting do the talking[/quote]

Sounds like you need to switch gyms if your “already the strongest”

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Not to stir up the roosters but here’s my case study. :smiley:

I tweaked my lower back yesterday with a max effort single with about %95 of my current max deadlift.

Is it a stretch to believe i would of avoided this injury if i decided to do some repetition work with %80 of my 1RM? In my opinion, no.

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already the strongest? no, strongest “kid” yes, strongest squat and DL yes. to the general public and beach fluff guys your strength is measured only by your bench, and im a horrible bencher. im one of literally a few people in my gym who squats and deads, ive never seen higher then a 3 plate squat from anyone else. i cant switch gyms. id be going to a womens fitness gym if i were to do that lol make due with what i got until i move away for school and can hunt for better gyms

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[quote]canada wrote:
Not to stir up the roosters but here’s my case study. :smiley:

I tweaked my lower back yesterday with a max effort single with about %95 of my current max deadlift.

Is it a stretch to believe i would of avoided this injury if i decided to do some repetition work with %80 of my 1RM? In my opinion, no.

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Or you just have shitty form.

Vids. My last 1-2 warmup sets before performing a 1-3 rep max on deadlifts or squats are always 1 rep each, and I’ve never had issues, because I always make sure my form is impeccable.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]canada wrote:
Not to stir up the roosters but here’s my case study. :smiley:

I tweaked my lower back yesterday with a max effort single with about %95 of my current max deadlift.

Is it a stretch to believe i would of avoided this injury if i decided to do some repetition work with %80 of my 1RM? In my opinion, no.

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Or you just have shitty form.

Vids. My last 1-2 warmup sets before performing a 1-3 rep max on deadlifts or squats are always 1 rep each, and I’ve never had issues, because I always make sure my form is impeccable. [/quote]

You can fuck your back up well and proper even with perfect form, bursting a disc is most common for weightlifters of all types. You can do it faster with shear force by using bad form.

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This thread should be renamed to “A**hole at the gym probably posts a fucking retarded response in this thread.”