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haha thanks man, its scary how accurate this is with some of his characteristics… I have only just realised after reading about it here…[/quote]
I think he sounds more ignorant about PL than he is insecure or out to get you.
Oh, and PL has one of the lowest injury ratings of any sport. [/quote]
Compared to other forms of lifting?
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didnt actually check it, but if it is OF ANY SPORT, then its probably compared to other forms of lifting tooo
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I wouldn’t believe any the numbers if they said you get less injuried PLing then you do for more moderate lifting. Studies are for the birds in a lot of cases.[/quote]
There’s a huge difference between sport and exercise, we have to keep this in mind. If you just want to exercise then yes, moderate lifting is great. If you want to become good at the sport called powerlifting then moderate lifting will probably not be enough, you need more and then the risk of getting hurt increases. One should absolutely do as much as possible to prevent injuries in sports since an injured lifter is at a disadvantage, but it’s probably impossible to eliminate all risks completely.
You mentioned Tate and his injuries, it’s true that his injury list is only slightly thinner than a book by Tolstoy but there are guys like that in many sports. I don’t care if it’s powerlifting, hockey or bodybuilding, over the years the stress put on the body will leave it’s mark. In this aspect I don’t think powerlifting is worse off than other sports, I actually think it’s better off than sports like hockey. My point is that you should compare powerlifting to other sports, moderate lifting isn’t a sport.
Edit: Realized that this has allready been written by others so I apologise for repeating it.[/quote]
I was comparing apples to apples. PLing will hurt more people then moderate forms of lifting weights.
I’m thinking i pissed some people off because i mentioned Tate. Knows his stuff but i always take what westside guys say with a huge grain of salt. I bet alot of them are a wreak after 10 plus years.
I LOVE strength but health is not something i’m willing to trade off for it.[/quote]
I’m not the least bit pissed off, certainly not because you mentioned Tate. I do however disagree with you. Here’s something Dante wrote over at intensemuscle, it’s rather long but I think it’s relevant to this topic:
[quote]"I got a stick up my ass about something. I’ve kept quiet about it for a long time but it has boiled over and im going to vent. I see people on other sites all the time talking about “well I dont want to train that way, I might get hurt”…“you dont have to train heavy, you could get hurt” “Look at Yates and Coleman they trained heavy and ended up getting…”
ARRRRRRGH! Listen let me bottom line it for you ok? If you are so scared of getting hurt get the hell out of a continual load bearing sport and join the chess club or become a video gamer! You are in a highly intense sport! One that doesnt just have the pounds of a human body to support but a weighted load from 20 (laterals) to 1500 (leg press) pounds. If you lift from 20to 40 years of age THERE IS A DAMN GOOD CHANCE OF YOU GETTING HURT in that time (maybe even a tear).
We have some high level hard training athletes in our sport, yes we do. People who know what it takes to get better. And what is involved with getting better in bodybuilding?!??!?!?! RISK!!! Yes the risk in bodybuilding is in your quest to get bigger there is a pretty good risk that sometime, maybe not this month, this year, the next 5 years but sometime in the future you might get injured somehow.
I absolutely dont get bodybuilders mode of thinking regarding this subject.
Do you really think Ray Lewis is out there playing football with the thought “well im not going to play hard because I might get injured”…
baseball at a high level of intensity:
Frank Thomas of the whitesox tore his tricep swinging a bat, Vladimir Guerrero tore his pec swinging a bat this year, players tear hamstrings, blow out shoulders, rotators, knees.
basketball at a high level of intensity:
Do you think Lebron is out there tonite with “well dont want to blow out my knee like Michael Redd, so im going to take it easy the rest of the season and make no sharp cuts thru the paint”…I wouldnt even start with the number of players who have blown out their acl’s and mcl’s, torn achilles, broke their wrists/hands/feet etc. Do you think there are a number of young basketball players out there (like there are in bodybuilding) saying “wow im not going to play like kobe or lebron…I could get hurt!!!”
football at a high level of intensity:
Should I even go here? torn triceps, biceps, pecs, quads, calves, hamstrings, broken legs, wrists, ribs, blown out shoulders…and on and on
bodybuilding at a high intensity: You pretty much have to train hard every time 3-6 days a week for years!!! Let me tell you this straight on out. If you are an advanced bodybuilder…lets say your 26 years old and you have 30 inch quads and you got there by squatting upwards of 400 pounds continually over the years…here is a little secret. To keep those quads you probably are going to have to keep squatting 400 pounds or more. Lets say for the next 14 years until you are 40 years old you keep bodybuilding. And hypothetically you squat once a week for the next 14 years…I’ll give you some weeks off for down time and etc…so 42 out of the 52 weeks you squat…14 years x 42 = 588 times…588 times…lets give you 88 workouts off where you kind of squat lighter…i feel like being giving today…so over the next 14 years you will be squatting with over 400 pounds five hundred times…there is a damn good chance that 1 time in those 500 squat days with 400 plus pounds on your back…that something could go wrong…you might feel out of sorts, your stance is wrong, you slightly injured your patella by stepping in a pothole the week before, you twisted your knee 2 days ago when you tripped on a stair…and on the 388th time you squat with 400 pounds on your back…it happens…the injury, the tendon goes…hopefully it never happens, but ask yourself something…if you ran full out as hard as you can for 500 times, or played fullcourt basketball 500 times, or football 500 times do you honestly think you would never get hurt once in those 500 times of playing or running? Then why do so many people think that it shouldnt happen to them in bodybuilding? It sucks but if you want to get good in this sport…the risk that comes with getting bigger and better is a risk that you have to be willing to take.
Lets look at the supermoderators…Sweatmachine, MG, Kidrock, Homonuncleus, Skip and myself
Sweatmachine = just had wrist surgery
Kidrok = Torn bicep and labrum, recovering from surgery
Homonuncleus = tore his oblique on a T-bar row
MG = patella tendon tear, even though it happened in a fluke accident maybe all those years of blasting up ungodly poundages on legs took a little bit of a toll
myself = Bigtime messed up Acromioclavicular joint in my shoulder, and i hurt it on all things a leg press holding myself down while pressing very heavy weights, heard a huge pop, trained with it, and then did a movement months later that I thought I could get away with, and didnt…put me out of commision for 6 months…Im doing my best training with it but its touch and go.
Skip = tore his scrotum and lost one gonad on a seated calf press (ok thats a lie)…Skips lower back is also touch and go…serious disk problems at the bottom of his spine but he has learned what he can and cannot do and trains around it.
Moral of the story is - If you want to get advanced, sooner or later the probability of you getting hurt in some form is not in your favor numbers wise and you are probably going to have some sort of setback…lets hope its not that bad if at all.
So what am i trying to get across here? This. I can give you an outline to DC training. I can give you weird exercises to do. I can give you a gameplan to succeed in bodybuilding to build the best physique, the quickest way possible with the unique genetics… that you reading this possess. But what I cannot do is teach you when its time to think “hmmmm not feeling right today, lets be better safe than sorry and lighten up or take the day off”…I have that built in myself and I think its the main reason Ive never suffered a major injury (outside of holding myself down on a legpress)…I am really in tune with my body and always can tell when its time to “maybe back off here Dante, that dont feel quite right”
There is usually a pretty good telltale sign before you get injured, it can come a week before, it can come 2 reps before it happens…your job is to recognize that and quickly take action to protect yourself because 1 workout of maintenance training is much better than 6-12 months of rehab on an injured muscle.
But please recognize the fact that you are in a load bearing endeavor and to get better at this endeavor that usualy means increasing the load to progress (as safely as you can do it)…and with that comes some risk in doing so. "[/quote]
Note that these aren’t the words of a powerlifter but of a bodybuilder who has a huge ammount of experience both training himself and clients.
