A**hole at Gym has a Problem with PL

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]canada wrote:
Not to stir up the roosters but here’s my case study. :smiley:

I tweaked my lower back yesterday with a max effort single with about %95 of my current max deadlift.

Is it a stretch to believe i would of avoided this injury if i decided to do some repetition work with %80 of my 1RM? In my opinion, no.

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Or you just have shitty form.

Vids. My last 1-2 warmup sets before performing a 1-3 rep max on deadlifts or squats are always 1 rep each, and I’ve never had issues, because I always make sure my form is impeccable. [/quote]

Your amazing.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]canada wrote:
Not to stir up the roosters but here’s my case study. :smiley:

I tweaked my lower back yesterday with a max effort single with about %95 of my current max deadlift.

Is it a stretch to believe i would of avoided this injury if i decided to do some repetition work with %80 of my 1RM? In my opinion, no.

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Or you just have shitty form.

Vids. My last 1-2 warmup sets before performing a 1-3 rep max on deadlifts or squats are always 1 rep each, and I’ve never had issues, because I always make sure my form is impeccable. [/quote]

You can fuck your back up well and proper even with perfect form, bursting a disc is most common for weightlifters of all types. You can do it faster with shear force by using bad form.

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Much easier to fuck up your spine with collisions, like playing football. You’ve got much greater force at moment of impact than simply pulling on a few hundred lbs. If you really think canada had good form when he hurt himself, you’re free to believe that. Me…I’m gonna remain skeptical.

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I don’t think it’s impossible to get injured with perfect form…however, I would argue that poor form or poor preparation are responsible for 90% of training injuries. The other 10% stems from people not knowing their bodies well enough and plain dumb luck.

Agreed that it’s much easier to get injured in collision sports. Granted I feel pretty beat up after a big deadlift session, but I’ve never been injured doing deadlifts; in contrast, every collision in a rugby game feels like a lottery as to what could go wrong. Injuries don’t stop me playing rugby, and injuries wouldn’t stop me lifting either, but when you’re in the gym you’ve got a responsibility to yourself to prevent injuries where you can. It’s pretty easy not to get injured while lifting.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
I don’t think it’s impossible to get injured with perfect form…however, I would argue that poor form or poor preparation are responsible for 90% of training injuries. The other 10% stems from people not knowing their bodies well enough and plain dumb luck.

Agreed that it’s much easier to get injured in collision sports. Granted I feel pretty beat up after a big deadlift session, but I’ve never been injured doing deadlifts; in contrast, every collision in a rugby game feels like a lottery as to what could go wrong. Injuries don’t stop me playing rugby, and injuries wouldn’t stop me lifting either, but when you’re in the gym you’ve got a responsibility to yourself to prevent injuries where you can. It’s pretty easy not to get injured while lifting.[/quote]

exactly. the reason being in contact sports MOST of the elements of danger all out of your control. you can’t predict how someone will hit you or how they will react to being hit, where they will hit you or where you will hit them, what your body will run into after you get hit or give a hit, etc.

in powerlifting, all of the variables are known and completely within your control.

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Well to say ALL variables are known isn’t true, otherwise you’d have no injuries. But a lot MORE variables CAN be known if you’re smart enough to study them out and apply them, yes.

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There are lots of different “strengths”…

Probably the most important is to find your own path, and follow it. Listen to those that disagree with you, they may have something worthwhile, but still go your own way.

Really nice lifts considering your body weight. At 5’ 8’’ and 163, you might want to consider to eating more.

Also asking what the inhabitants of the dark side this question is really looking for confirmation, not wisdom. These guys EAT iron…

Ask the same question on the BB boards and you’ll get some interesting comments.

Physically; well, there are a lot of strengths…

Grab a decent weight you can do for 10 reps and do 10 sets.
OR
See how long you can keep your bicycle above 15 mph.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Well to say ALL variables are known isn’t true, otherwise you’d have no injuries. But a lot MORE variables CAN be known if you’re smart enough to study them out and apply them, yes. [/quote]

fair enough. and most people don’t take control over those variables because they’re either too cool to take precautions or they just don’t know any better. then they run to their computer and post on message boards that powerlifting is bad for you because they’re too stupid and lazy to take the time to perform the lifts safely.

i would say that at least 75% of all weight lifting injuries could have been avoided had the lifter been properly coached on said lift and had taken the proper safety precuations (sound equipment, safety racks, etc.)

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]canada wrote:
Not to stir up the roosters but here’s my case study. :smiley:

I tweaked my lower back yesterday with a max effort single with about %95 of my current max deadlift.

Is it a stretch to believe i would of avoided this injury if i decided to do some repetition work with %80 of my 1RM? In my opinion, no.

[/quote]

Or you just have shitty form.

Vids. My last 1-2 warmup sets before performing a 1-3 rep max on deadlifts or squats are always 1 rep each, and I’ve never had issues, because I always make sure my form is impeccable. [/quote]

You can fuck your back up well and proper even with perfect form, bursting a disc is most common for weightlifters of all types. You can do it faster with shear force by using bad form.

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Much easier to fuck up your spine with collisions, like playing football. You’ve got much greater force at moment of impact than simply pulling on a few hundred lbs. If you really think canada had good form when he hurt himself, you’re free to believe that. Me…I’m gonna remain skeptical. [/quote]

Thats just it. How many people have access to top coaches? How many people perform the lifts “perfectly”, EVERYTIME?. And have perfect programming?

I don’t live in a perfect world. You will expose yourself to more risk with max effort lifting then sub maximal lifting. I really can’t believe some people can’t accept this. I would do a max lift everyday if i could!

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btw i’ve come to believe i hurt myself because i forgot to push my stomach out hard after i inhaled. I just inhaled. Last time i hurt myself i’m pretty sure i done the samething.

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[quote]canada wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]canada wrote:
Not to stir up the roosters but here’s my case study. :smiley:

I tweaked my lower back yesterday with a max effort single with about %95 of my current max deadlift.

Is it a stretch to believe i would of avoided this injury if i decided to do some repetition work with %80 of my 1RM? In my opinion, no.

[/quote]

Or you just have shitty form.

Vids. My last 1-2 warmup sets before performing a 1-3 rep max on deadlifts or squats are always 1 rep each, and I’ve never had issues, because I always make sure my form is impeccable. [/quote]

You can fuck your back up well and proper even with perfect form, bursting a disc is most common for weightlifters of all types. You can do it faster with shear force by using bad form.

[/quote]

Much easier to fuck up your spine with collisions, like playing football. You’ve got much greater force at moment of impact than simply pulling on a few hundred lbs. If you really think canada had good form when he hurt himself, you’re free to believe that. Me…I’m gonna remain skeptical. [/quote]

Thats just it. How many people have access to top coaches? How many people perform the lifts “perfectly”, EVERYTIME?. And have perfect programming?

I don’t live in a perfect world. You will expose yourself to more risk with max effort lifting then sub maximal lifting. I really can’t believe some people can’t accept this. I would do a max lift everyday if i could![/quote]

You’re missing the point. For starters, you don’t need a top coach to have great form. It might not be 100% perfect, but if you’re striving constantly to improve your form (as opposed to striving constantly to get stronger at the expense of good form), then you’re already cutting down one major variable which can cause you to get injured.

You could do a max lift every day; it’s just that in that scenario the variables that would most likely cause an injury (DOMS, CNS fatigue, flat out lack of energy) would be far more risky as a result of the previous days’ lifting.

It’s not a black and white issue. There are a million factors which can cause you to get injured. The point is that in powerlifting a huge majority of the variables are directly under your control. It just takes a little bit of humility to see that, whether doing max lifts or sub-maximal lifts.

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[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
This thread should be renamed to “A**hole at the gym probably posts a fucking retarded response in this thread.”[/quote]

hahaha

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[quote]Null wrote:

Really nice lifts considering your body weight. At 5’ 8’’ and 163, you might want to consider to eating more.

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Thanks man. As far as eating more goes I dont think thats a problem haha. I have made great gains in the 2 years I have been lifting (I used to be so thin and weak you have no idea) so I’m not complaining about lack of progress. I’m already eating like a grizzly bear before the winter. Plus I don’t see the point in eating so much that I put on a whole load of fat with my muscle. Some fat gain is unavoidable but strength and lean mass gain is my goal obviously. Just trying to keep my weight to strength ratio good aswell. If I stop progressing then I will up my calories.

[quote]Null wrote:

Also asking what the inhabitants of the dark side this question is really looking for confirmation, not wisdom. These guys EAT iron…

Ask the same question on the BB boards and you’ll get some interesting comments.

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And yea, you’re right. I was looking for confirmation that I am doing the right thing. Don’t see the point in asking the BB boards because they dont have experience with PL (generaly). So the answers wouldnt really have been of value to this post.

[quote]Null wrote:

Physically; well, there are a lot of strengths…

Grab a decent weight you can do for 10 reps and do 10 sets.
OR
See how long you can keep your bicycle above 15 mph.

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I see what you are saying here but I think there is a general consensus on strength training as specificaly training for a higher maximal strength. Doesn’t it stand to reason that if my 1 rep max is higher, then my 10 rep will also be higher (in terms of load)? I would probably call the two you listed as more like endurance/size training. We are not talking about differing goals here. The problem I had was that the guy told me the way to increase my strength was by doing 10 rep sets only and doing them slowly.

The stuff on this post about the safety of lifting is actually quite interesting to read and think about. I might actually end up tweaking my program to try minimise injuries. Although I have not had any so far, I do sometimes push harder than I probably should and end up taking chances. Like the big jump in weight I tried to do with the squat in question.

Oh and I have been ignoring the guy so far and he has not said anything to me yet but I just heard him giving the exact same advice to another guy today… I really had to make an effort to stop myself from getting involved haha…

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[quote]Silo101 wrote:
Doesn’t it stand to reason that if my 1 rep max is higher, then my 10 rep will also be higher (in terms of load)?

I would probably call the two you listed as more like endurance/size training. We are not talking about differing goals here. The problem I had was that the guy told me the way to increase my strength was by doing 10 rep sets only and doing them slowly.
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Not really.
The body has it’s own logic, in other words there’s a lot of unknown variables. Logic only works when all premises are stated and accurate.

His way may work for him, now. I’m on the over 35 board mostly. 5/3/1 variants are extremely popular with us old guys. Even across people with different goals, size/PL.

[quote]Silo101 wrote:
The stuff on this post about the safety of lifting is actually quite interesting to read and think about. I might actually end up tweaking my program to try minimise injuries. Although I have not had any so far, I do sometimes push harder than I probably should and end up taking chances. Like the big jump in weight I tried to do with the squat in question.

Oh and I have been ignoring the guy so far and he has not said anything to me yet but I just heard him giving the exact same advice to another guy today… I really had to make an effort to stop myself from getting involved haha…[/quote]

It is a long game, years…
I think avoiding injuries really helps progress, even if, you progress slower in the short run.
So far I’ve gotten hurt doing volume, not by going heavy. Your mileage may vary.

I feel, no data, that volume work helps my heavy work and heavy work helps my volume. But that’s me and I’d expect everyone’s different and different through different times of their lives.

The thing that took the most strength I’ve ever done was not lifting, but clearing swamp land when it was about freezing. Pulling logs out out of the creek/mud… The cold, the duration of the work, just trashed me.

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[quote]canada wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]canada wrote:
Not to stir up the roosters but here’s my case study. :smiley:

I tweaked my lower back yesterday with a max effort single with about %95 of my current max deadlift.

Is it a stretch to believe i would of avoided this injury if i decided to do some repetition work with %80 of my 1RM? In my opinion, no.

[/quote]

Or you just have shitty form.

Vids. My last 1-2 warmup sets before performing a 1-3 rep max on deadlifts or squats are always 1 rep each, and I’ve never had issues, because I always make sure my form is impeccable. [/quote]

You can fuck your back up well and proper even with perfect form, bursting a disc is most common for weightlifters of all types. You can do it faster with shear force by using bad form.

[/quote]

Much easier to fuck up your spine with collisions, like playing football. You’ve got much greater force at moment of impact than simply pulling on a few hundred lbs. If you really think canada had good form when he hurt himself, you’re free to believe that. Me…I’m gonna remain skeptical. [/quote]

Thats just it. How many people have access to top coaches? How many people perform the lifts “perfectly”, EVERYTIME?. And have perfect programming?

I don’t live in a perfect world. You will expose yourself to more risk with max effort lifting then sub maximal lifting. I really can’t believe some people can’t accept this. I would do a max lift everyday if i could![/quote]

Wrong. Sub maximal lifting over the years can cause a multitude of problems. Overuse injuries in your joints and spine, myofascial restrictions leading to more serious issues. Its’ like saying sprinting is more dangerous than running because you can get more serious injuries.

Powerlifting done right like I did is remarkably injury free. And I’ve done it over 25 years. I was doing prehab stuff before it was a word. I stretched everyday. I’d go to the chiropractor, became one, learned ART.

IMO, as a professional treating injuries the other guys are right. i qualify that by if you are training right.

And don’t give me that coaching thin. i started this in 1981 and there was no on line, PLUSA, and a book or two. there are so many resources out there now it’s ridiculous.