A Crossfit Adventure - 8 Week Update

WOD - Wednesday, 4/16/08

“Nancy”

Five rounds for time of:
400 meter run
95 pound Overhead squat, 15 reps

Time: 23.03

I knew for a fact I couldn’t do 95 lb overhead squats with any decent form or depth, so I switched them out for 20 dumbbells in each hand.

On the first round, I nearly lost my balance on pretty much every rep trying to overhead squat (which shows weakness in my core), but thankfully I stayed upright. I had to reset my feet after each rep. The next 4 rounds went smoother. I went ATG on the squats, and initially kept coming back up on my toes, so I leaned back a bit and came up with my feet on the ground after that point.

I worked out on my lunch break, and it usually takes me 10 minutes to walk back to work from the gym, but my legs were so sore it took me 20 mins lol. It was worth it though.

Thirteen/tanimal, what does your diet look like while doing Crossfit? I’m following a low-carb (keto) diet, and it’s been working for me, and I feel it’s a good combination with Crossfit, my energy levels are good for the most part.

Thanks.

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:

Well, my original goal was to be 250 pounds (I started at 350), so that would be a 100 pound weight loss. But I figured if I’m going to lose weight, might as well go all the way for the abs and ultimate leanness, so I’m thinking I’m going to have to get to 225 and 10% BF or less to start seeing some serious results. I’m 288 now, so I have a ways to go, but I’m working on it.[/quote]

Nice gains (loss!) so far. Crossfit should help getting you down to that level (lord knows the effort should be worth it!!). Keep that engine going budday!

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
WOD - Wednesday, 4/16/08

“Nancy”

Five rounds for time of:
400 meter run
95 pound Overhead squat, 15 reps

Time: 23.03

[/quote]

Good time man… that must have been interesting with the 20lb db’s!!

I switched the OHS for OH lunges (stepping back to standing each rep) with 65lb. My shoulder does NOT tolerate OHS at all, so I figured that was a good sub. Really worked the postural muscles of the back and it was a mental effort to keep the weight balanced throughout… good times.

I also subbed rowing (500m) for the runs…

Total time: 20:42

Overall I felt pretty good at the end, shoulders just a bit shaky on the last set of lunges, plus I lost about 2lb in sweat :slight_smile:

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Thirteen/tanimal, what does your diet look like while doing Crossfit? I’m following a low-carb (keto) diet, and it’s been working for me, and I feel it’s a good combination with Crossfit, my energy levels are good for the most part.

Thanks.[/quote]

Diet-wise, I’ve made a few small modifications but am trying to judge the merits of crossfit training purely for themselves (i.e. trying to separate changes due to crossfit and changes due to a different nutrition plan)…

So, I’ve started eating 90% organic meats, which chops down my protein intake a bit, so I’ve added a second protein shake during the day (usually just have one). Other than that, I eat quite a bit of fruit (probably 6-8 servings/day), granola, eggs, and very few veggies :). I would say that the overall ratio of p/c/f would be about 35/45/20, not sure on the calories though.

I know a lot of people do the Zone/low carb type thing with Crossfit and like it… I’d just be afraid of trying that knowing the type of workout (anaerobic burst = carb fuel) that are typical to the Crossfit program. Plus I like carbs and tend to get “stringy” if I don’t eat enough :slight_smile:

WOD - Thursday, 4/17/08

21-15-9 reps of:
Clean 135 pounds
Ring dips

No rings at my gym, and no dip bars are close to where I was working out, so substituted with close-handed pushups.

Time: 9.15

I was concerned about my form breaking down towards the end on the cleans (which a few reps they did, but nothing bad), but for the most part it was good. Pushups were good, my glasses fell off on two of the three sets of pushups because I was so sweaty and the handles slid right off from behind my ears lol.

Thirteen, nice work on the OH Lunges and 500M row, good time. Thanks also for the diet advice, I saw the Zone Diet on the crossfit website and read through it, looks interesting.

How are you liking the organic meats? When you say it chops down your protein, does that mean that organic meats generally have less protein per serving that non-organic meat? Sorry for my ignorance on the subject.

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
WOD - Thursday, 4/17/08

21-15-9 reps of:
Clean 135 pounds
Ring dips

No rings at my gym, and no dip bars are close to where I was working out, so substituted with close-handed pushups.

Time: 9.15

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Hey, nice sub! Tanimal and I used close “grip” pushups too (she did the modified ones)… the cleans were nasty - I found my grip was a big factor in the higher-rep sets

Tanimal: 40kg/88lb cleans, 6:03
Thirteen: 60kg/132lb cleans, 7:47

She kicked my ass - the cleans were the decider for sure!

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:

How are you liking the organic meats? When you say it chops down your protein, does that mean that organic meats generally have less protein per serving that non-organic meat? Sorry for my ignorance on the subject.[/quote]

No, organic meats have the same amount of protein per gram, but they’re expensive, so I eat less!! Grass-fed beef and bison are great and have Omega 3 fatty acid content similar to fish. They are also much healthier overall than their grain-fed/corn-fed cow cousins, and I figure a healthy cow is better for me than an unhealthy one! They also come without hormones and steroids for growth, which I don’t need in my diet as well. Check out www.eatwild.com to see if there’s a place near you that sells some.

Friday’s WOD:
“Michael”
run 800m
50 back extensions
50 situps

I subbed rowing for the run, and chopped the extensions and situps to 25’s. I’ve done this workout twice before so I wanted to keep it the same so I can judge against my prior performances…

1st time: 18:20 or so
2nd time: 17:18 or so
this time: 16:50…

Happy with that, another improvement, this time by almost 30sec… I’ll expect lesser improvements as I get better as the margin for performance increases becomes smaller (I mean there’s only so fast you can do 25back extensions without your spine exploding…:).

Rest day tomorrow, then back at it on Sunday. Can’t wait

Sorry didn’t have a chance to train yesterday, was going to in the afternoon, but was called in to my internship I have planned for the summer to fill out paperwork, and they had me work for a few hours last night. The gym closes at 8p on Friday, and I got done at 7.30p, so I wouldn’t have had enough time to go and workout.

Anyways, I did yesterday’s workout today

Friday’s WOD:
“Michael”
run 800m
50 back extensions
50 situps

I also subbed the row for the run, and very conveniently, the back extension fixtures are right next to the rowing machines, so it worked out good.

Time: 30.03

Man, I didn’t think it was going to take this long, but it did. Gotta lot of work ahead of me.

The combination of rowing (fried quads) and back extensions (fried back) had me literally walking around in S-shaped lines. I had to sit down for 10 minutes to regain myself before I walked home. The look I was getting from people was awesome, as they rode the ellipticals and not producing any sweat, while my shirt was soaked, and I came in after them and left before them. Good times.

Will stay on track and do Sunday’s WOD as scheduled.

I just ran across this, wish I had earlier, and have to throw in my two cents and a brief “my experience with crossfit” story.

Crossfit is over-rated, so is fish-oil, green tea, and marriage. It doesn’t cure cancer, and athletes who follow Crossfit exclusively are not “fit” in my book. If there were a cure-all or magic formula for fitness, hard work would, with no doubt, be a primary ingredient, and Crossfitters all claim to be hard workers. However, any Crossfit workout is only as difficult as the athlete doing it makes it. I have seen people who have been forced to do Crossfit as part of compulsory Marine Corps ROTC training, and I have invariably seen many of them slacking off on the more effort-based WOD’s. I guess my idea is that any workout system works, if those doing it put out hard work.

I used to follow Crossfit pretty closely, I didn’t scale the workouts, unless it was to make them harder or longer or to use heavier weights (probably stupid).

My major gripes involve workouts like “badger” which, while remarkably and beautifully difficult (I had to eat before I drove back home) absolutely destroys muscle memory and good technique. (30 full squat cleans @ 95#, 30 pullups, 800 yd. run, done three times). Pullups, run, no problem, 30 cleans, goodbye form. I began training to compete in Olympic lifting shortly after that workout and my coach nearly shat himself when I told him about it. The Crossfit philosophy says that you should break form to complete the workouts. I think that’s stupid, so do most except for those who religiously follow it.

Of course, Crossfitters claim endurance and that their workouts are better than running. Then all of them have a heart attack when a 5k or a 10k run appears. I know most at T-Nation don’t enjoy the run, but you guys don’t claim to, crossfitters claim to and then they produce a time that I could do with a rucksack on my back.

I just wrote an article, and now that I’ve bitched, I’ll say what I did and what worked for me:

I used to Crossfit, now I primarily use gymjones, with some Crossfit in there as well, or I write my own workouts that tend to be harder and (IMO) more productive than Crossfit. I’m stronger than I’ve ever been because I put strength training where it belongs, outside of circuits. Olympic Lifting is relegated for Olympic Lifting days, not Crossfit days. I run 40-75 miles per week, swim 3-5 days a week, and do calisthenics (lots of pushups, pullups, situps, etc.) 5 days a week. Doing this sort of routine, I ran a 3:10:52 marathon (7:17 miles) and have covered 50 miles in 9:06. I raw (no wrist straps or belt) deadlifted 440 as a 1RM, and am working at C&J at 110k, snatch at 70k, as well as chasing the elusive 40 dead hang pullups and 120 pushups in 2 minutes, BW 190, 70" height. I think what I do works, and a lot of it is because of the way Crossfitting made me think.

Sorry for the overly verbose response. I can’t work out because it’s Boston Marathon weekend and I want to outrun Lance Armstrong’s scrawny ass on Monday. I also don’t want to work on my senior English seminar papers, so I chose to write about what I like.

I ran across this little gem of a site for anyone who wants a Crossfit alternative: http://mtnathlete.com/
It’s brutal.

[quote]bigquig wrote:
I just ran across this, wish I had earlier, and have to throw in my two cents and a brief “my experience with crossfit” story.[/quote]

It seems like you are doing a lot of things throughout a given week. Can you give me an example of a week and how you arrange it all? Thanks.

Dragonvash wrote:
bigquig wrote:
I just ran across this, wish I had earlier, and have to throw in my two cents and a brief “my experience with crossfit” story.

It seems like you are doing a lot of things throughout a given week. Can you give me an example of a week and how you arrange it all? Thanks.

Well, it’s brutal overtraining. I usually go in cycles where I’ll work out 5 times a day, then I’ll take a day and only go once or twice, or just do a run and a swim, it works out well.
I try to listen to my body, so if I’m spitting blood, or if my piss is really dark no matter what, or if I’m shaking when I try to sleep or waking up all the time, I take some time off and go easy.

But here’s a day’s layout. (I go to a senior military college and have mandatory as well as voluntary physical training sessions.) I’m trying to become a Navy SEAL, and my idea with training is that I need to make everything suck as much as possible, and that there is no coddling during their training, nor is overtraining considered a word.

I’m a full time college student, it’s my last semester and academics have taken a backseat to physical training for this time.

Monday:
5:45-6:30AM: Pullup, pushups, situp routine, often totals over 100 pullups, 200 pushups, etc. Sometimes the whole session will be spent in the “up” position for pushups, or doing pullup sets to failure
2:00-3:30PM: Run, 4-11 miles.
4:00-6:00PM: PT, pullups, pushups, situps, 8-count body builders, tire flips, log PT pays to be a winner races, fireman carries, low crawling, obstacle course, run in boots and pants, usually something that ends up sucking lots.
7:00-8:00PM: Swim training, combat sidestroke primarily. Sometimes submerged swims, hypoxic drills.
8:15-9:15PM: Olympic Lifting or a circuit.

My days look like that usually, I try to O lift 4-5 days a week. I squat and deadlift usually during that time slot, but because I put on muscle so easily, I tend to concentrate on Olympic Lifts in order to stay down around the 85kg weight class. I also generally do heavy singles for the oly lifting simply to retain my lighter weight.

Saturday and Sunday will sometimes be longer runs, up to 8 hours though I’m hitting 14 this Saturday night-Sunday morning. I like doing complexes sometimes for my lifts, or throwing tabata’s in until I can’t move. If I’m feeling extra frisky, I’ll wear pants, a sweatshirt, and a wool hat to make it harder for me (and to lower alcohol tolerance).

I work full body virtually every day, but I think I have some good genes because it seems to work well. I do roughly 100 pullups outside of my workouts on a pipe in my hallway, so sometimes I’ll hit over 300 a day. Sundays I fight on occasion, Jiu Jitsu or whatever anybody wants to do, that’s an hour or so of hard going, then I might lift, run, swim, or play water polo. The running occurs 5-7 days per week.

I don’t supplement besides a multivitamin, B-complex, fish oil, and occasionally, Osteo bi-flex. If you want more info, let me know, I’d be glad to help.

[quote]Thirteen wrote:
So instead of the posted WOD, I chose to try and catch up by trying “Fran”:

21-15-9
Thrusters (95lb - deep front squat to push press)
Pullups

I did the full weight on thrusters but had to switch to BTN halfway through the set of 15 because my wrists were killing me! Tried “kipping” pullups and they worked fairly well (just got to find my rhythm) although they could have been much more consistent…

Total time: 8:34

Pretty happy with that, although given that I did half of the thrusters behind the neck, I don’t think it really counts in terms of crossfit rankings. I’ll work on my flexibility a bit and try it when it comes up again![/quote]

I haven’t seen your thrusters, so this is just a shot in the dark. For me, when I front squat I like to have a good, conventional racking of the bar (high on the fingers, bar resting on delts). Now, when using that rack position for thrusters, I also found it hard on the wrists, when transitioning from the front squat to overhead press.

Taking a few cues from Freddie (one of our gym owners, and resident Crossfit Ubermeister), I moved my hands in a little. This meant less of a conventional “rack position” for the front squat, as the bar was closer to the palm (more where the fingers and palm meet).

This meant that the transition to the overhead press was easier on the wrists. Not the best way to front squat, but with these light weights, thats not really an issue.

FWIW, Freddie just cracked the 3:00 minute barrier in Fran (I’m still trying to drop below 5:00).

(Freddies last fran: Fran 2:38 - YouTube . The grip he’s using their is not exactly what I described above, he doesn’t really rack the bar across his shoulders at all. But damn, its impressive!)

Mods: thats strange. How did I get relegated from level 4 to level 0? Are they calculated over a specific time frame?

EDIT: now I’m back to level 4 again. Thats funny :slight_smile:

[quote]bigquig wrote:
I just ran across this, wish I had earlier, and have to throw in my two cents and a brief “my experience with crossfit” story.

Crossfit is over-rated, so is fish-oil, green tea, and marriage. It doesn’t cure cancer, and athletes who follow Crossfit exclusively are not “fit” in my book. If there were a cure-all or magic formula for fitness, hard work would, with no doubt, be a primary ingredient, and Crossfitters all claim to be hard workers. However, any Crossfit workout is only as difficult as the athlete doing it makes it. I have seen people who have been forced to do Crossfit as part of compulsory Marine Corps ROTC training, and I have invariably seen many of them slacking off on the more effort-based WOD’s. I guess my idea is that any workout system works, if those doing it put out hard work.

I used to follow Crossfit pretty closely, I didn’t scale the workouts, unless it was to make them harder or longer or to use heavier weights (probably stupid).

My major gripes involve workouts like “badger” which, while remarkably and beautifully difficult (I had to eat before I drove back home) absolutely destroys muscle memory and good technique. (30 full squat cleans @ 95#, 30 pullups, 800 yd. run, done three times). Pullups, run, no problem, 30 cleans, goodbye form. I began training to compete in Olympic lifting shortly after that workout and my coach nearly shat himself when I told him about it. The Crossfit philosophy says that you should break form to complete the workouts. I think that’s stupid, so do most except for those who religiously follow it.

Of course, Crossfitters claim endurance and that their workouts are better than running. Then all of them have a heart attack when a 5k or a 10k run appears. I know most at T-Nation don’t enjoy the run, but you guys don’t claim to, crossfitters claim to and then they produce a time that I could do with a rucksack on my back.

I just wrote an article, and now that I’ve bitched, I’ll say what I did and what worked for me:

I used to Crossfit, now I primarily use gymjones, with some Crossfit in there as well, or I write my own workouts that tend to be harder and (IMO) more productive than Crossfit. I’m stronger than I’ve ever been because I put strength training where it belongs, outside of circuits. Olympic Lifting is relegated for Olympic Lifting days, not Crossfit days. I run 40-75 miles per week, swim 3-5 days a week, and do calisthenics (lots of pushups, pullups, situps, etc.) 5 days a week. Doing this sort of routine, I ran a 3:10:52 marathon (7:17 miles) and have covered 50 miles in 9:06. I raw (no wrist straps or belt) deadlifted 440 as a 1RM, and am working at C&J at 110k, snatch at 70k, as well as chasing the elusive 40 dead hang pullups and 120 pushups in 2 minutes, BW 190, 70" height. I think what I do works, and a lot of it is because of the way Crossfitting made me think.

Sorry for the overly verbose response. I can’t work out because it’s Boston Marathon weekend and I want to outrun Lance Armstrong’s scrawny ass on Monday. I also don’t want to work on my senior English seminar papers, so I chose to write about what I like.
[/quote]

Interesting post bigquig. Like everything, Crossfit has its good and bad points. One lesson it has definately taught me (and still does) is intensity. That said, I don’t follow the main crossfit schedule, or even their wods most of the time. I’ve tended to compile my own (metcon, then volume lifting, etc), mixed in with crossfit wods half the time. I’d be genuinely interested to hear some more about what you do.

Sorry for the thread hijack, btw.

EDIT: just read you last post. Doh! Thats what happens when you start replying to posts before reading through the whole thread :wink:

[quote]bigquig wrote:

Well, it’s brutal overtraining. I usually go in cycles where I’ll work out 5 times a day, then I’ll take a day and only go once or twice, or just do a run and a swim, it works out well.
I try to listen to my body, so if I’m spitting blood, or if my piss is really dark no matter what, or if I’m shaking when I try to sleep or waking up all the time, I take some time off and go easy.

But here’s a day’s layout. (I go to a senior military college and have mandatory as well as voluntary physical training sessions.) I’m trying to become a Navy SEAL, and my idea with training is that I need to make everything suck as much as possible, and that there is no coddling during their training, nor is overtraining considered a word. I’m a full time college student, it’s my last semester and academics have taken a backseat to physical training for this time.

Monday:
5:45-6:30AM: Pullup, pushups, situp routine, often totals over 100 pullups, 200 pushups, etc. Sometimes the whole session will be spent in the “up” position for pushups, or doing pullup sets to failure
2:00-3:30PM: Run, 4-11 miles.
4:00-6:00PM: PT, pullups, pushups, situps, 8-count body builders, tire flips, log PT pays to be a winner races, fireman carries, low crawling, obstacle course, run in boots and pants, usually something that ends up sucking lots.
7:00-8:00PM: Swim training, combat sidestroke primarily. Sometimes submerged swims, hypoxic drills.
8:15-9:15PM: Olympic Lifting or a circuit.

My days look like that usually, I try to O lift 4-5 days a week. I squat and deadlift usually during that time slot, but because I put on muscle so easily, I tend to concentrate on Olympic Lifts in order to stay down around the 85kg weight class. I also generally do heavy singles for the oly lifting simply to retain my lighter weight. Saturday and Sunday will sometimes be longer runs, up to 8 hours though I’m hitting 14 this Saturday night-Sunday morning. I like doing complexes sometimes for my lifts, or throwing tabata’s in until I can’t move. If I’m feeling extra frisky, I’ll wear pants, a sweatshirt, and a wool hat to make it harder for me (and to lower alcohol tolerance). I work full body virtually every day, but I think I have some good genes because it seems to work well. I do roughly 100 pullups outside of my workouts on a pipe in my hallway, so sometimes I’ll hit over 300 a day. Sundays I fight on occasion, Jiu Jitsu or whatever anybody wants to do, that’s an hour or so of hard going, then I might lift, run, swim, or play water polo. The running occurs 5-7 days per week. I don’t supplement besides a multivitamin, B-complex, fish oil, and occasionally, Osteo bi-flex. If you want more info, let me know, I’d be glad to help. [/quote]

I am glad you recognize that you are brutally overtraining. No offence but I think you are a little obsessive and have crossed from being fit into being unhealthy. There is no reason to run 8-14 hours in a day. All that proves is that you have an incredible pain tolerance and can endure a lot of stress. I would never advocate for anyone to do the amount of training you do…

[quote]tanimal wrote:

I am glad you recognize that you are brutally overtraining. No offence but I think you are a little obsessive and have crossed from being fit into being unhealthy. There is no reason to run 8-14 hours in a day. All that proves is that you have an incredible pain tolerance and can endure a lot of stress. I would never advocate for anyone to do the amount of training you do…
[/quote]

Tanimal,

I can’t argue with you, I have no science backing me, only my own results. And you can join a long list of people (often ex-girlfriends) to say my training is obsessive. I can, however, assure you that those long runs are few and far between, and are well-prepared for.

For me, that is the best test of my own mettle and training, and I have yet to find a better test than running long. That’s not to say that running 50 or 100 miles in a day is purely a psychological test, because I have seen runners’ bodies break down in the most horrible ways due to a lack of proper training.

So, I feel healthy, I have less joint pain now than before I started ultra-running, and I feel strong and fit. Am I doing what would make me most fit? Certainly not. But I know I am preparing myself for this winter’s upcoming onslaught at Coronado, CA as well as I can.

Sunday, 4/20/08 WOD

Shoulder press 3-3-3-3-3 reps

Sets: 135-155-165-175-185

Followed up by Tabatas on the elliptical and a five minute cooldown.

I like doing barbell shoulder presses mmore than dumbbell shoulder presses, and I did DB shoulder presses last time, so I thought I would switch it up.

I cleaned the bar from the floor for each set, and the 185 went up pretty good. I was afraid I wasn’t going to be able to get it off the ground. Going to work towards a 225 pound clean now.

[quote]isr wrote:

I haven’t seen your thrusters, so this is just a shot in the dark. For me, when I front squat I like to have a good, conventional racking of the bar (high on the fingers, bar resting on delts). Now, when using that rack position for thrusters, I also found it hard on the wrists, when transitioning from the front squat to overhead press.

Taking a few cues from Freddie (one of our gym owners, and resident Crossfit Ubermeister), I moved my hands in a little. This meant less of a conventional “rack position” for the front squat, as the bar was closer to the palm (more where the fingers and palm meet).

This meant that the transition to the overhead press was easier on the wrists. Not the best way to front squat, but with these light weights, thats not really an issue.
[/quote]

Yeah, you’re bang on with the front squat technique - I always try to focus on keeping elbows high, so when that transition comes, my wrists take abuse… I’ll definitely try that adjustment - I think it’ll make a big difference to my wrists, and hopefully to my “Fran” time…

Weren’t you going to post some of your WOD times up or was that someone else?

Missed Sunday’s WOD, will train a combo on Monday of:

Shoulder Press, 5x3 (Sun WOD)
Back Squat 5x5 (Mon WOD)

Hey, that’s almost one of my old workouts haha.

[quote]isr wrote:
FWIW, Freddie just cracked the 3:00 minute barrier in Fran (I’m still trying to drop below 5:00).

(Freddies last fran: Fran 2:38 - YouTube . The grip he’s using their is not exactly what I described above, he doesn’t really rack the bar across his shoulders at all. But damn, its impressive!)[/quote]

BEASTLY!!! Around 5 ain’t to shabby too :wink: