7-Day Cut

Pharma / TRT
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Hi,
I am going to do a cutting cycle which will last me till this Sunday as I need to look leaner by the weekend.
I am using the following:

70mins pre-workout = 8iu HGH (shot IM)
30mins Pre-workout = 25mcg T3

I am following a low carb diet, consuming carbs for breakfast (around 100g) and also post-workout (~70g). Protein is high, around 50g every 2 hours from quality sources.
I am performing 30-minutes cardio everyday post-workout on the punchbag.

Is there anything I can add/remove to this stack that might accelerate my fat loss gains? Change in doseages?
I am at ~11% bf now, I want to drop at least 2% by Saturday.
I dont want to use Clen because its sides are too much for me.
Any suggestions in regards to drug use, diet or cardio?

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A few things:

-Too many carbs IMO. especially if you’re trying to cut THAT dramatically. Id say take it down to around 100 TOTAL carbs on your training days. Just my opinion.

-cardio I’d bump to an hour, fasted, in the morning, then don’t eat carbs till your preworkout meal. When cutting, i restrict my carbs to immediately before, and immediately after my training session. Give that a try.

-No offense, but that is the most ridiculous goal I’ve ever heard of. You could take tren, test, masteron, hgh, t3, clen, ephedra, var and winnie for a week and i don’t think you would drop that much BF. If you REALLY wanna get that low, I’d say to a DNP run.

VF

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[quote]veraforza17 wrote:
A few things:

-Too many carbs IMO. especially if you’re trying to cut THAT dramatically. Id say take it down to around 100 TOTAL carbs on your training days. Just my opinion.

-cardio I’d bump to an hour, fasted, in the morning, then don’t eat carbs till your preworkout meal. When cutting, i restrict my carbs to immediately before, and immediately after my training session. Give that a try.

-No offense, but that is the most ridiculous goal I’ve ever heard of. You could take tren, test, masteron, hgh, t3, clen, ephedra, var and winnie for a week and i don’t think you would drop that much BF. If you REALLY wanna get that low, I’d say to a DNP run.

VF[/quote]

Thanks for the advice.
Wont the fasted morning cardio be catabolic? I was thinking to do my GH shot here before the morning cardio to burn the liberated fatty acids.
I think I may have exaggerated my carbs a little, I would say I have around 70g in the morning and 70g postworkout.
To be honest its not really a ridiculous goal, I have been dieting since last week and seem to be much more detailed already. Maybe 2% is not attainable (I think its possible) but I can still get much leaner in 7-days. I just needed some advice on how to accelerate that. I will look into incorporating the fasted morning cardio with some BCAA’s.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Jesus, you never do anything sane, do you :wink:

2% loss in BF% - with no muscle loss - inside a week is only possible (IMO) with DNP.

Anyway, you are eating far too many carbs and at all the wrong times.

50g simple carbs before training.
Semi-fasted morning cardio (green tea and EAAs beforehand)
CPWO

Fuck the 8iu shot of GH. Why did you think that would be a good idea?

GH triggers FFA release. More frequent shots of GH = more frequent release of FFAs. 4 x 2iu/day would be a much more logical protocol, do you not think?

One large shot of GH does NOT equal one massive release of FFAs.

Hyperhydrate from now until 24 hours before you have whip of your clothes. Stop drinking water 24 hours before the clothes-shedding.

Eat only the 50g carbs ED from now until 24 hourse before the clothes-shedding event. Begin carbing up 24 hours before the clothes come off. Maximum 500g of carbs during the carb up. Try to keep them non-sugary.

Make sense?

BBB[/quote]

Haha no I dont like being sane :wink:
Yes this makes sense, the large shot of HGH was IMO supposed to blunt the catabolism from the T3 by providing some sort of an anabolic effect. But ok the smaller shots do make more sense for the specific goal of fat loss.
I will hyperhydrate as suggested. Any comments on the training? I was thinking moderate weight complexes.
Thanks for the advice, very helpful as always.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

2% loss in BF% - with no muscle loss - inside a week is only possible (IMO) with DNP.

BBB[/quote]

I can’t believe you of all people would say this. When I first read the OP I thought it sounded stupid and not possible, until I realized that I had just done what he is trying to do this very week- and without AS. I’ve lost 7% bodyfat in the last four weeks (with 2% coming off this past week). I have pictures with dated newspapers each week to back all of these claims. The only strength loss I’ve had was one rep less on my bench (which is fine because my chest is too big for the rest of my body anyway) but on the otherhand- my bicep strength was UP yesterday.
Not using AS (yet), but I am using MAG-10/Anaconda & a fat burner and it’s working very, very well. To the OP, way too many carbs. If it’s only for a week you shouldn’t have any trouble dropping under 50g/day.

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

2% loss in BF% - with no muscle loss - inside a week is only possible (IMO) with DNP.

BBB[/quote]

I can’t believe you of all people would say this. When I first read the OP I thought it sounded stupid and not possible, until I realized that I had just done what he is trying to do this very week- and without AS. I’ve lost 7% bodyfat in the last four weeks (with 2% coming off this past week). I have pictures with dated newspapers each week to back all of these claims. The only strength loss I’ve had was one rep less on my bench (which is fine because my chest is too big for the rest of my body anyway) but on the otherhand- my bicep strength was UP yesterday.
Not using AS (yet), but I am using MAG-10/Anaconda & a fat burner and it’s working very, very well. To the OP, way too many carbs. If it’s only for a week you shouldn’t have any trouble dropping under 50g/day. [/quote]

What cardio protocol are you following? Whats your macronutrient intake breakdown? I’d be interested to see the before and after photos for motivation purposes.

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

2% loss in BF% - with no muscle loss - inside a week is only possible (IMO) with DNP.

BBB[/quote]

I can’t believe you of all people would say this. When I first read the OP I thought it sounded stupid and not possible, until I realized that I had just done what he is trying to do this very week- and without AS. I’ve lost 7% bodyfat in the last four weeks (with 2% coming off this past week). I have pictures with dated newspapers each week to back all of these claims. The only strength loss I’ve had was one rep less on my bench (which is fine because my chest is too big for the rest of my body anyway) but on the otherhand- my bicep strength was UP yesterday.
Not using AS (yet), but I am using MAG-10/Anaconda & a fat burner and it’s working very, very well. To the OP, way too many carbs. If it’s only for a week you shouldn’t have any trouble dropping under 50g/day. [/quote]

What cardio protocol are you following? Whats your macronutrient intake breakdown? I’d be interested to see the before and after photos for motivation purposes.[/quote]

Sorry, I should have said after FIVE weeks. I never really did much if any cardio prior to this, so take that into account as well. I’m trying to do about 5 days of cardio a week- but it’s only for 12-24 minutes each time. If it’s around lower timeframe I’ll do higher intensity; higher-end lower intensity. It’s mostly elipitcal, unless I worked legs that day- then it’s the bike or walking at an incline. I think I’ve only jogged on a treadmill once and I did HIIT for that.

Mac breakdown depends on the day. I’ve been toying with it, but I think I’ve got it down pretty good right now. The intensity of a day is irrelevant for me. I’m in a pretty massive caloric deficit on most days which is why the MAG-10 & ANACONDA is so important. I fast through the day with MAG-10 (anywhere from 2-3 drinks) might have a small meal about 2 hours before the gym (lately it has been almond shavings, natty gluten-free peanut butter and a serving of Metabolic Drive)
ANACONDA during workout. Metabolic Drive post-workout and a handful of blueberries. Then my first ‘real’ meal- on a low-carb day it’s usually just grilled chicken- and maybe two or three slices of bacon. I use to do cottage cheese with that, but I haven’t had any the last couple weeks. Then I let that settle for about an hour or two and have my last solid meal, which ends up being about 6 raw eggs (or hardboiled egg whites) and maybe a little more PB. Then Metabolic Drive before bed.

If I’m like dying though, I’ll have the PB on toast (found some good stuff with only 7g carb per slice). I take some fish oil, multi-vitamins, Z, MA, B-6, C, green tea, etc. through the day as well. Not a lot of food, I know, especially when you weigh 212lbs (now). Kind of a mix of the V-diet and IF. I still manage to get around 200g/protein, 20-40g carbs, not sure on the fat, maybe 50-60g.

I do that for about 3 days then have a cheat meal. Either a huge ass plate of pasta with chicken or last week an entire pizza. The cheat meal/day is super important. Without it, progress is halted. The following day, I try to fast all day and do a 36 hour fast- again with MAG-10. I read it’s ok to have a small meal during the night before you break that fast, and I try to take advantage of that because it’s pretty brutal.

Obviously this isn’t something that can or should be sustained if permanently wanting to retain muscle, but it’s worked incredibly well for me so far and I’m only doing it for 12 weeks. I’ll be starting my Tren/Prop/Winstrol/T3/Clen cycle in about a week and a half, which I almost didn’t want to do since this was working so well. But I’ve only got 12 weeks and there’s a lot of money on the line.

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

2% loss in BF% - with no muscle loss - inside a week is only possible (IMO) with DNP.

BBB[/quote]

I can’t believe you of all people would say this. When I first read the OP I thought it sounded stupid and not possible, until I realized that I had just done what he is trying to do this very week- and without AS. I’ve lost 7% bodyfat in the last four weeks (with 2% coming off this past week). I have pictures with dated newspapers each week to back all of these claims. The only strength loss I’ve had was one rep less on my bench (which is fine because my chest is too big for the rest of my body anyway) but on the otherhand- my bicep strength was UP yesterday.
Not using AS (yet), but I am using MAG-10/Anaconda & a fat burner and it’s working very, very well. To the OP, way too many carbs. If it’s only for a week you shouldn’t have any trouble dropping under 50g/day. [/quote]

What cardio protocol are you following? Whats your macronutrient intake breakdown? I’d be interested to see the before and after photos for motivation purposes.[/quote]

Sorry, I should have said after FIVE weeks. I never really did much if any cardio prior to this, so take that into account as well. I’m trying to do about 5 days of cardio a week- but it’s only for 12-24 minutes each time. If it’s around lower timeframe I’ll do higher intensity; higher-end lower intensity. It’s mostly elipitcal, unless I worked legs that day- then it’s the bike or walking at an incline. I think I’ve only jogged on a treadmill once and I did HIIT for that.

Mac breakdown depends on the day. I’ve been toying with it, but I think I’ve got it down pretty good right now. The intensity of a day is irrelevant for me. I’m in a pretty massive caloric deficit on most days which is why the MAG-10 & ANACONDA is so important. I fast through the day with MAG-10 (anywhere from 2-3 drinks) might have a small meal about 2 hours before the gym (lately it has been almond shavings, natty gluten-free peanut butter and a serving of Metabolic Drive)
ANACONDA during workout. Metabolic Drive post-workout and a handful of blueberries. Then my first ‘real’ meal- on a low-carb day it’s usually just grilled chicken- and maybe two or three slices of bacon. I use to do cottage cheese with that, but I haven’t had any the last couple weeks. Then I let that settle for about an hour or two and have my last solid meal, which ends up being about 6 raw eggs (or hardboiled egg whites) and maybe a little more PB. Then Metabolic Drive before bed.

If I’m like dying though, I’ll have the PB on toast (found some good stuff with only 7g carb per slice). I take some fish oil, multi-vitamins, Z, MA, B-6, C, green tea, etc. through the day as well. Not a lot of food, I know, especially when you weigh 212lbs (now). Kind of a mix of the V-diet and IF. I still manage to get around 200g/protein, 20-40g carbs, not sure on the fat, maybe 50-60g.

I do that for about 3 days then have a cheat meal. Either a huge ass plate of pasta with chicken or last week an entire pizza. The cheat meal/day is super important. Without it, progress is halted. The following day, I try to fast all day and do a 36 hour fast- again with MAG-10. I read it’s ok to have a small meal during the night before you break that fast, and I try to take advantage of that because it’s pretty brutal.

Obviously this isn’t something that can or should be sustained if permanently wanting to retain muscle, but it’s worked incredibly well for me so far and I’m only doing it for 12 weeks. I’ll be starting my Tren/Prop/Winstrol/T3/Clen cycle in about a week and a half, which I almost didn’t want to do since this was working so well. But I’ve only got 12 weeks and there’s a lot of money on the line.[/quote]

Thank you for a very informative post. I am looking much much leaner already being on the low-carb diet for around 5days. I think my body doesnt like adipocytes :stuck_out_tongue: (I wish). I will continue with what I am doing since it seems to be working well, hopefully by friday I will be happy with my results.

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Yeah I think I remember you saying in another thread hes been blocked.
Any comments on my original theory of the 8iu shot of GH offering an anabolic effect to counteract the catabolism from the T3 and diet?

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Yeah I think I remember you saying in another thread hes been blocked.
Any comments on my original theory of the 8iu shot of GH offering an anabolic effect to counteract the catabolism from the T3 and diet?[/quote]

Yes, that’s why I already told you what you could do better.

Look bang in an 8 iu shot if you want. But just how long do you think it’s going to make you anti-catabolic for? That’s right, not more than say 6 hours, tops (depending on which information source you choose to follow).

Which is why multiple smaller shots is much better. Same anti-catabolic effects, repeated multiple times daily, giving you a much greater window of time during which you are anti-catabolic.

BBB[/quote]

Ok fair enough. Makes sense, I am already doing the smaller shots since your last post anyway I just wanted to know if my logic had any science to it.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Queef still hasn’t figured out that I have him on ignore.

I didn’t bother really reading what you wrote down Queef, since I place zero credence in anything you say.

BBB[/quote]

You have me on ignore, yet chose not to ignore me in your response. Ironic. For someone who’s so big on providing proof to back up statements, you’ve sure dropped the ball here in explaining why you’ve opted to ‘not listen to anything [I] say’. Doesn’t take a psych. major to figure that one out though. I guess I’d be upset too if I said something was impossible and then someone I was “ignoring” came along and showed me otherwise. I said I have pictures to back up all of my claims. Do you think I’m making this up? And if so- what would I have to gain from it? e-Friends on T-Nation? LOL.
You can drop the ex-con tough-guy attitude. No one will rape you in the shower here…

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Queef still hasn’t figured out that I have him on ignore.

I didn’t bother really reading what you wrote down Queef, since I place zero credence in anything you say.

BBB[/quote]

You have me on ignore, yet chose not to ignore me in your response. Ironic. For someone who’s so big on providing proof to back up statements, you’ve sure dropped the ball here in explaining why you’ve opted to ‘not listen to anything [I] say’. Doesn’t take a psych. major to figure that one out though. I guess I’d be upset too if I said something was impossible and then someone I was “ignoring” came along and showed me otherwise. I said I have pictures to back up all of my claims. Do you think I’m making this up? And if so- what would I have to gain from it? e-Friends on T-Nation? LOL.
You can drop the ex-con tough-guy attitude. No one will rape you in the shower here…[/quote]

Just wondering, what method of BF measurement did you use?
Also quoting this post so BBB can read if he wants to. I dont know how ‘ignoring’ works so im not sure wether your posts show or not.

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Queef still hasn’t figured out that I have him on ignore.

I didn’t bother really reading what you wrote down Queef, since I place zero credence in anything you say.

BBB[/quote]

You have me on ignore, yet chose not to ignore me in your response. Ironic. For someone who’s so big on providing proof to back up statements, you’ve sure dropped the ball here in explaining why you’ve opted to ‘not listen to anything [I] say’. Doesn’t take a psych. major to figure that one out though. I guess I’d be upset too if I said something was impossible and then someone I was “ignoring” came along and showed me otherwise. I said I have pictures to back up all of my claims. Do you think I’m making this up? And if so- what would I have to gain from it? e-Friends on T-Nation? LOL.
You can drop the ex-con tough-guy attitude. No one will rape you in the shower here…[/quote]

Just wondering, what method of BF measurement did you use?
Also quoting this post so BBB can read if he wants to. I dont know how ‘ignoring’ works so im not sure wether your posts show or not.[/quote]

I’m using an electronic scale that I’ve had for years. I know it’s accurate to within 1-1.5%. It gives very conservative estimates which I am fine with. I’ve had my bf tested at the gym with calipers multiple times and then come home and checked the scale and the scale would always be higher- and I think more accurate. Even if it was giving too high or too low of an estimate, I can still accurately measure how much bf% I’ve lost. If I went from 23% to 16% or 22%-15% or 21%-14%, it’s still a 7% loss- and that’s the number that really matters.

Plus all of that in conjunction with “knowing” what 20%, 15% and 10% fat looks like can help you confirm the scales readings.

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Just want to thank the guys who helped me in this post

BBB
QUEEF

Thanks to you guys, I was able to look shredded on the dooms day :wink:
Props to you guys.

Toby, I wanna see them pics!

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Sing you gonna post pics/reuslts or just a verbal update. Interested in how this goes for you. ALso if you have time and could write up the protocol you end up doing that would be very informational.