400 Pound Rows => Cramps

Training Powerlifting
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I think my point is pretty clear, however, I am struggling with yours.

Please run me through this one more time.

Wait, scratch that. I have neither time nor energy for your nonsense.

Run along, now.

[quote]aussie486 wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
Oh yeah, you have been around PL for 20 year but refer to Gillingham as some “guy.”

You need to pick your statements more carefully b/c this is about as stupid as they come.

Here is a hint. www.dictionary.com.

Look up subjective. Then STFU.

I have been training powerlifting/bodybuilding/strongman whatever you would like to call it for a long time and yes i don’t know his name, glad he trains.

Here’s a hint for you, have a look in your dictionary for ‘‘weak as piss’’ that’s you.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
I think my point is pretty clear, however, I am struggling with yours.

Please run me through this one more time.

Wait, scratch that. I have neither time nor energy for your nonsense.

Run along, now.

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Whatever weak as piss, i leave u to spank off to your heroes.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Oh yeah, you have been around PL for 20 year but refer to Gillingham as some “guy.”

You need to pick your statements more carefully b/c this is about as stupid as they come.

Here is a hint. www.dictionary.com.

Look up subjective. Then STFU.

aussie486 wrote:

    You state u have been around for 20 years in powerlifting and you have yet to see anyone working between 300-400lb bb rows, except for the guy you use as a example, well I have been too and i have seen numerous guys in gyms around the world using that working range.

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How about you stop posting uninteresting shit on my topic and go share a man-sandwich with your little power-hero…

You’d obviously enjoy it. Now don’t bother denying it.

I know that when I post a video you are going to trash it. It’s exactly what people like you do.

Anyway, after a short search on youtube I have found a powerlifting medley vid that features Coleman’s rows. He drops the bar lower than I do, but I think I take it higher than he does. I THINK, since I’ve never filmed myself doing rows before.

My torso is at a 45 degree angle, doing paralell to the ground rows means asking for an injury. The low point for the bar is up to my knees, the high point is high on my abdomen.

The video will have to wait a bit, since I had a throat inhection and have had a 10 day antibiotics treatment. I hit the gym todat for the first time, did rows, and I had back and abdomen cramps at 240 pounds.

But I will get a vid and I will update the topic, and I hope you’ll be here when I do, spreading your insecure but nevertheless amusing shit.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
I think my point is pretty clear, however, I am struggling with yours.

Please run me through this one more time.

Wait, scratch that. I have neither time nor energy for your nonsense.

Run along, now.

aussie486 wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
Oh yeah, you have been around PL for 20 year but refer to Gillingham as some “guy.”

You need to pick your statements more carefully b/c this is about as stupid as they come.

Here is a hint. www.dictionary.com.

Look up subjective. Then STFU.

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Hey asshole got your Pm,
So let me get in down on pubilc recored unlike you, you can question my character any time but don’t question my loyalty to my countryman or character.

Let my tell you about my interactions with Anmerican’s, without doubt the finest men that I have served with, men without a doubt that you can trust your back to and to top it off i would not be here today without the bravery of some of your countrymen i would not be here today, bet that fuck’s you off, but you are not one of them, not either 1/2 of that quality.

Sorry about Hijacking this thread, maybe weak as piss is not a apt title, as it implies trying, perhaps spanky? as well we all know what that inplies, if not. stop Pm ing me and fuck off.

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my cock is the biggest in this thread, ill post video soon

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Are you one of those angry little (or big) men, searching every day for something to get pissed off about? Questioning is one thing, but fuck the haters.

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What the hell was that?

[quote]tora no’ shi wrote:
if the videos questions were aimed at me…i’ll see what i can do, but at our 24hr Fitness video/picture taking ar a big NO…we do sneak some videos/pictures(see attached) in the locker room every now and than, but i’ll have to figure something out for out on the floor…

…and i’m not sure who that guy that was mentioned is, but at 270 pounds i just hit an elevated t-bar row of 500 for 3 and a seated row of 500 for 5 yesterday…and it’s just as uncommon here as it is to you guys, after every set i look up to find an audience…

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
I really don’t care how much you weigh or what you look like in a wife beater.[/quote]

this is brilliant, and fuck those oregon ducks right in the quackhole

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:

I really don’t care how much you weigh or what you look like in a wife beater.

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The videos are enlightening and you are a f#ck of a lot larger than I will ever be but I would still like to see a video of the rows. Some of the rows I have seen on you tube look more like jump shrugs or rack pulls.

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I can bench 600 raw, no problemo. I would post a pic, but my 24 hour fitness club disallows the usage of cameras in the gym, but I will post a pic of myself in a wifebeater soon. As a bonus, I will even put cheesy music in the background.

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Lmfao @ this thread. You people rock.

Fuck, even Dorian Yates rowed at a 45 degree angle. Call him weak, please, say he doesn’t know how to row. He’s not a guy like Gillingham as in a powerlifter, is Dorian, but he is one of the fuckin’ strongest pure bodybuilders in history. You tell me you don’t want his back, powerlifter or bodybuilder. Strong and thick as a bull.

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[quote]t3h_Squirr3l wrote:
Lmfao @ this thread. You people rock.

Fuck, even Dorian Yates rowed at a 45 degree angle. Call him weak, please, say he doesn’t know how to row. He’s not a guy like Gillingham as in a powerlifter, is Dorian, but he is one of the fuckin’ strongest pure bodybuilders in history. You tell me you don’t want his back, powerlifter or bodybuilder. Strong and thick as a bull.[/quote]

Who the fuck doesn’t do rows at a 45 degree angle?

What is this off the floor shit? If I want to lift something off the floor, I deadlift it.

And upper body paralell to the ground?

Why, so I can be in the worst possible position for generating strenght?

Everything this idiotic gentleman posted here was a total waste of his worthless time.

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[quote]t3h_Squirr3l wrote:

Fuck, even Dorian Yates rowed at a 45 degree angle. Call him weak, please, say he doesn’t know how to row. He’s not a guy like Gillingham as in a powerlifter, is Dorian, but he is one of the fuckin’ strongest pure bodybuilders in history. You tell me you don’t want his back, powerlifter or bodybuilder. Strong and thick as a bull.[/quote]

Nicely put together and well thought out response there.

I might be mistaken but Dorian also rowed with an under hand grip. And lets not forget how injury riddled Dorian was as a result of being the “strongest pure bodybuilder” in history. Who cares if he was strong. He’s a bodybuilder. He was judged on apperance, not strength.

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Why are all of these posers invading our strength forum? This forum is about strength, not about shaving off all of your body hair, donning posing oil and speedos. Who gives a shit how “big” someone is if they are strong?

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[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:
t3h_Squirr3l wrote:
Lmfao @ this thread. You people rock.

Fuck, even Dorian Yates rowed at a 45 degree angle. Call him weak, please, say he doesn’t know how to row. He’s not a guy like Gillingham as in a powerlifter, is Dorian, but he is one of the fuckin’ strongest pure bodybuilders in history. You tell me you don’t want his back, powerlifter or bodybuilder. Strong and thick as a bull.

Who the fuck doesn’t do rows at a 45 degree angle?

What is this off the floor shit? If I want to lift something off the floor, I deadlift it.

And upper body paralell to the ground?

Why, so I can be in the worst possible position for generating strenght?

Everything this idiotic gentleman posted here was a total waste of his worthless time.
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I have seen bodybuilders doing “rows” while they are at best slightly bent, maybe on a 15 degree angle from a vertical plane… This movment is really more like a hybrid shrug/row to a high pull if they use their legs.

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I guess I’d have to be a little skeptical of a 400 lb row, since Fred Hatfield, the first man to squat over 1000lbs (who also weighed 40lbs more than the OP and), was working in the 300s for bent rows.

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(i copied the following from here: http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/training-forum/best-meso-best-12.html)

TOPIC 7: ROWS

Rows: Well, the best way to do them is to start with the bar on the floor every single rep. Your middle back will have slight bend to it. You pull the bar off the floor quickly with the arms, and by a powerful arch of your middle back. You finish by touching the bar to your upper stomach or middle stomach. At no time is there any movement of the hips or knees, no hip extension at all, all that bends is the middle back and the shoulders and elbows.

This is hard to do and you have to have good muscular control to do it, or you’ll end up straightening up at the hips along with the arching of the back. But if you can master doing them this way you will get a big back. This works because the lats actually extend (arch) the middle back in addition to other functions, just like with glute-ham extensions compared to leg curls?you always get a stronger contraction when you move both the origin and insertion of a muscle, flexing it from both ends so to speak.

The bar returns to the floor after each rep. The bent row is actually best done as an explosive movement and the bar is moved fast. I have trained many people who could do this exercise with 350 or more lbs. I myself have done reps with 425, Ed Coan, who also knows how to do them properly, has done reps with over 500lbs without his back ever coming above parallel with the ground. That is stronger than Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman, by the way.

I did rows with Coleman once, actually, and I was far stronger than he was. He could not do more than 350lbs strictly although he could do over 500lbs by standing almost all the way up at the completion of each rep. Ed Coan is probably the strongest person on these, although one power-lifter I trained did manage 525 for a double done strictly.

Rows look at an anatomy chart. if the scapula and upper arms are held in a constant position, shortening of the lats WILL result in arching of the middle and upper back. i AM NOT saying that the lats are primarily responsible for upper back flexion… what i am saying is that they can assist in this.

i also HAVE done EMG work on various different rowing techniques… and there is not doubt that rows performed as i describe them will activate the lats more completely than done any other way i have ever seen. i have done EMG work on a large quantity of people for rows… and ive always found that these kind of rows activate the lats most completely. and besides, even if you dont buy the fact that they activate the lats better, hell, you can always be content with the fact that your getting an erector workout.

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You know the thing I think that everyone is missing out on is that if topo PLer’s are struggling to row 400lbs, yet we’ve AT LEAST TWO people on this board who have claimed to do it, what does that tell you about their form? (when you consider the likes of Coan and Hatfield are more than likely doing them in a very strict manner)