400 Pound Rows => Cramps

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]Hanley wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Classy_Cojones wrote:
Hanley wrote:

As for giving up barbell rows…hahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha

Exactly!!

Especially considering the state of most peoples shoulders from too much pressing!

You could get the same shit from a chest supported row. But what do I know? I am not the one complaining about back pain from rowing.

Emmm… no, you can’t. They’re 2 totally different movements. One is a lift whre the whole body must remain tight to support the load, and the other is basically an “isolation” exercise by comparison.[/quote]

Exactly: the seated row is basically the bench press of rowing movements.

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[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
I’ve had cramping and spasms in my back from doing a real high volume of back work (compared to what I was used to). quote]

High volume (doing goodmornings and rows) has done the same thing to me…I plan on resting my back every 3rd week from here on out.

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[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
I’ve had cramping and spasms in my back from doing a real high volume of back work (compared to what I was used to). quote]

High volume (doing goodmornings and rows) has done the same thing to me…I plan on resting my back every 3rd week from here on out.

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[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:

Exactly: the seated row is basically the bench press of rowing movements.[/quote]

This is exactly why WSB advocates using them to boost your bench press; they even say to get as close to the bench press plane as possible. However, if you plan on competing in a max barbell row competition anytime soon, then stick with the barbell rows. As for myself, if I want to work my lower back, I will stick with GMS.

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
KombatAthlete wrote:

Exactly: the seated row is basically the bench press of rowing movements.

This is exactly why WSB advocates using them to boost your bench press; they even say to get as close to the bench press plane as possible. However, if you plan on competing in a max barbell row competition anytime soon, then stick with the barbell rows. As for myself, if I want to work my lower back, I will stick with GMS.[/quote]

What if you want to outwrestle and outpunch people?

What if you want to compete in other athletic events, where whole body power matters most?

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
KombatAthlete wrote:

Exactly: the seated row is basically the bench press of rowing movements.

This is exactly why WSB advocates using them to boost your bench press; they even say to get as close to the bench press plane as possible. However, if you plan on competing in a max barbell row competition anytime soon, then stick with the barbell rows. As for myself, if I want to work my lower back, I will stick with GMS.[/quote]

Did I miss something? Did he say he was a powerlifter? Did he say he was trying to increase his bench? I’m confused. There is absolutely nothing wrong with barbell rows.

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get a foam roller… search “feel better for 10 bucks” on the search engine.

Use it on your back. Feel good.

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If it hurts your back, you might want to consider using strict form. Strict form = lower weight = healthier back. Don’t continue to do something that causes you injury.

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[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
If it hurts your back, you might want to consider using strict form. Strict form = lower weight = healthier back. Don’t continue to do something that causes you injury.[/quote]

I agree. Even if you have to back up to 365 or 315 rowing that much with strict form would have to be a hell of a workout.

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[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:
What if you want to outwrestle and outpunch people?

What if you want to compete in other athletic events, where whole body power matters most?
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Then do exercises that accomplish this goal without unnecessary risk. One exercise does not an athlete make.

The argument you’re using is on the same erroneous vein as “never use straps on anything to get your grip strong.”

-Dan

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[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:

What if you want to outwrestle and outpunch people?

What if you want to compete in other athletic events, where whole body power matters most?

[/quote]

If I was going for whole body power I would probably stick with Olympic lifts or even squatting as a lot of your power comes from your lower body, supplemented with some upper body work. I would also think that you need endurance so I would also be doing some high reps.
But this is not my area of expertise, nevertheless, I have never heard of a boxer going for a 1 rm max in a barbell row. I would rather do chin-ups because they are far less forgiving on your back.

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[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
Classy_Cojones wrote:

What if you want to outwrestle and outpunch people?

What if you want to compete in other athletic events, where whole body power matters most?

If I was going for whole body power I would probably stick with Olympic lifts or even squatting as a lot of your power comes from your lower body, supplemented with some upper body work. I would also think that you need endurance so I would also be doing some high reps.
But this is not my area of expertise, nevertheless, I have never heard of a boxer going for a 1 rm max in a barbell row. I would rather do chin-ups because they are far less forgiving on your back.

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You mean far more forgiving.

I already stated that I do olympic movements and squats, I also do bench and shoulder presses, I do dips from time to time. I deadlift a lot. And I do rows.

Boxers aren’t exactly known for their top notch weight training. On the contrary.

Very high back strenght, with low reps and high weights, that is, explosive power, will translate into punching power (as long as the pushing muscles are up to par).

As for cardio, it should be kept out of the gym, with the exception of complexes before a fight.

Cardio should be done through running, swimming, bag work, pad work and fight-specific sparring.

Anyway, keep up the good work Isolation-Man. I’m sure we’d like to hear some more about your mind-boggling isolation exploits.

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[quote]Classy_Cojones wrote:

You mean far more forgiving.

I already stated that I do olympic movements and squats, I also do bench and shoulder presses, I do dips from time to time. I deadlift a lot. And I do rows.

Boxers aren’t exactly known for their top notch weight training. On the contrary.

Very high back strenght, with low reps and high weights, that is, explosive power, will translate into punching power (as long as the pushing muscles are up to par).

As for cardio, it should be kept out of the gym, with the exception of complexes before a fight.

Cardio should be done through running, swimming, bag work, pad work and fight-specific sparring.

Anyway, keep up the good work Isolation-Man. I’m sure we’d like to hear some more about your mind-boggling isolation exploits. [/quote]

Who said I was for isolation movements?
I said do weighted chin/pull-ups for your upper back, is that an isolation movement?

Anyway, let me know when you are on ESPN or Pay-Per-View getting your title seeing that you are re-defining weightlifting in boxing.

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[quote]tora no’ shi wrote:
Mike Sullivan wrote:
Are you sure you are not Dorian Yates twin brother. Don’t see many people doing rows with 400 pounds.

I row 480 for 5, so maybe i’m Dorian’s cousin?:slight_smile:

anyways, i row twice a week and never had this happen…i wouldn’t ditch them but for sure be careful…go in and start with something light, you know your body better than us and will be able to tell if something’s really wrong or not…[/quote]

Pretty impressive…
I remember seeing Ronnie Coleman rowing 495 in a training vid. You’re juste 15 pounds under that, you should maybe sign up for the Olympia…

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[quote]elpatchoulero wrote:
Pretty impressive…
I remember seeing Ronnie Coleman rowing 495 in a training vid. You’re juste 15 pounds under that, you should maybe sign up for the Olympia…
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i saw that too, and is one of my inspirations…and even though i just hit 485 yesterday(for 3 crappy reps), and will be doing 500 soon…don’t think i’m quite ready for the Olympia…give me a couple more years though:)

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midol

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these rows are just crazy. I would love to see a video. Not calling bullshit at all. I just want to see this feat of strength.

What kind of weight do you use on deads??

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[quote]coffee wrote:
these rows are just crazy. I would love to see a video. Not calling bullshit at all. I just want to see this feat of strength.

What kind of weight do you use on deads??[/quote]

I am waiting for the video too. I won’t hold my breath though.

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how is your warm up? I’ve found I need alot of warmup sets for squats and bench press other wise I’m at risk of getting a muscle cramp of some sort. Also every set should be the same, setup and hold your form the same from the first set to the last.

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[quote]coffee wrote:
these rows are just crazy. I would love to see a video. Not calling bullshit at all. I just want to see this feat of strength.

What kind of weight do you use on deads??[/quote]

Second that. Not calling BS, just love to see someone doing that. Big roided guy at my gym a couple years back did bentover rows with 300-something, and that was pretty impressive as it is.