350 lbs Bench Possible for Everyone

I do imagine a big part of it is that a lot of folks just simply haven’t ever tried to seriously push their bodyweight up and observed the dramatic impact it had on strength and leverages. Matt Reynolds wrote an amazing article titled “Eating Through The Sticking Points” that talked to this. I’m going to quote some of the better parts, but the whole thing is worth reading.

Last year we had a bunch of the guys at my gym preparing to compete in the same powerlifting meet. Even though there wasn’t a team competition, we still thought it would be cool to win every weight class from the 181s on up to Superheavyweights. Myself, and one other lifter (Justin Winder – pro powerlifter) were planning on competing in the 275-pound weight class when my 308 lifter (Jon Gold) herniated a disc in his back on his final heavy deadlift of the cycle. He ended up being able to bench only at the meet, so 10 days out from the meet I asked Winder if he wanted to move up to the 308s, or if he wanted me to. We both got on the scale – Winder was 274. I was 277. So I decided to move up to try and win the 308s. For 10 days I ate everything in sight. I ate McDonald’s at least twice a day where my typical meal consisted of 2 double cheeseburgers, a McChicken sandwich with mayo, large fries, a 42oz soda, a 42oz Powerade, and 2 apple pies. 10 days later at the weigh-in I tipped the scale at 304. That’s 27 pounds gained in 10 days. Guess what happened at the meet? I PRd my bench press by THIRTY pounds. My 3rd attempt, 450 pounds, shot straight to lockout and I ended up leaving at least 25 pounds on the platform that day. All because I pushed my weight up 27 pounds before the meet.

Speaking of cake, one of my training partners from the early 2000s, Kyle Gulledge (275-pound lifter, who deadlifted over 800 pounds as a teenager, and deadlifted 830 pounds both conventional and sumo in the same calendar year) once ate a 9"x13” pan of cake EVERY DAY for a month, from Thanksgiving to Christmas. Kyle had a meet in early February. On Thanksgiving weekend our training crew got together in Kansas City for one of our epic training days. At 265, Kyle looked a little leaner and smaller than the last time I had seen him. He worked up that day on the bench press to a slow 545 pounds (in an old time bench shirt). He then called for 600, a weight he had done several times before. I could tell he wasn’t going to get it, and sure enough, it stapled him. Kyle had this type of intense focus like no one I had ever seen in the gym, and missing the weight made him irate. He swore off losing weight and getting lean, and on the way home he invented “the cake-a-day diet.” Every day that month he ate either a 9"x13” cake or a pan of brownies equal in size, along with a gallon of milk. In that month he went from 265 pounds to 295. And at the meet a month later he benched 630 with ease.

Nick Leadbetter, who likely has the best deadlift coefficient at STRONG, went from 198 to 242 in 2 years, pushed his weight up on Little Caesar’s $5 large pizzas, sweet potato fries, biscuits and gravy, brown rice with peanut butter, and broccoli and beef with extra beef from cheap Chinese restaurants. This took his deadlift from 585 to 725 in two years.

My training partner, Jon Gold (308 lifter, 677 raw squat, 500-pound raw bench, 765 raw deadlift), graduated high school at 6’1” and 205. On weekends in college he worked security till 2am, then immediately went to IHOP and ate country fried steak and eggs, hash browns, biscuits and gravy, and milk. Then he’d go home and sleep, get up for church the next morning, then eat at Ryan’s buffet with all-you-can-eat steak until he was sick. On the way home, he’d go through the KFC drive-through and order a family bucket of chicken and eat it all while watching football. Dinner on Sunday nights was a large “meats” pizza from Papa Johns. This added 30 pounds of muscle in one summer and got him to his first 400+ bench.

We’ve established that eating to gain weight isn’t easy. Actually, at times, its downright sickening. But it works. We’ve heard Rip say before, and experience certainly tells me he’s right, that any amount of weight gained will lead to an increase in both muscle and fat; its virtually impossible for someone strength training to gain one without the other. This means that bodyfat percentage will increase with a gain in lean body mass, and thus, an increase in fat accompanies an increase in leverage. The increase in leverage occurs because bigger muscles (i.e. an increase in contractile tissue) increases efficiency in the barbell lifts four ways: 1) an increase in contractile tissue leads to increase in contractile force, 2) an increased steepness (closer to 90 degrees, where maximum force is produced) of the fibers pulling on the prime-moving skeletal structures, such as the upper fibers of the pecs and delts on the humerus in the bench press, 3) a reduced range of motion (also an example of increased pec size on the bench press), and 4) the increased “tightness” in the bottom position of the lifts serves like a compressed and loaded “spring,” ready to explode to lockout.

Inevitably, the comment will come “not everyone has the willpower to eat that way”, but, again, I see this question of “does everyone have the physical potential to do this”, not “will everyone be able to do what it takes to do this”. Let me strap someone up to an IV of gravy until they’re 350lbs and now the question becomes “is a bodyweight bench press possible for everyone”

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There’s really no way to test your potential as a hypothesis, though; we can only compare achievement. Your physical achievements are above average, therefore you are physically above average.

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I figure we can go by the typical standards of joint size/frame. I’m small framed. I’ve also displayed a very basic lack of physical coordination from youth through adulthood, and come from poor physical stock. And then we can factor in the buggy shoulder and knee I’ve had to deal with.

I’ve absolutely achieved above average things. I don’t refute that.

EDIT: Actually, I’ve done this breakdown before. This isn’t a sob story at all, but more a case-in-point about how much more potential there is. Let’s also factor in I’ve literally had no coaching the entire time I’ve trained over 20 years. Zero instruction, hands and or otherwise. Imagine the impact that would have had. Same with nutrition: just winged it. Most of my injury recovery has been entirely self-directed. And I didn’t start pursuing physical goals until I was 14: kids as young as 4 have started before. And my interests have wavered, with me going from martial arts to general training to powerlifting to strongman with bouts of running thrown in: imagine if I had focused on just one goal. And I’ve had to keep my bodyweight to reasonable levels as conditions of my employment: circling back to “eating through sticking points”

There’s a lot of growth left on the table. There’s a LOT of room for growth for all people.

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I’m not denigrating your work ethic and mental fortitude at all, as it impresses me. Nor am I saying most of us have any idea what our potential is, because I’m incredibly unimpressed with everyone’s ability to get out of their comfort zone (just watch 5 seconds of the news).
I just think the base potential argument is a tough one.

  • I don’t know that coordination, relative to how you’d define it in other sports, matters. Lifting weights requires less athleticism; we have case studies in athletes that are bigger and stronger than everyone on the football field, but can’t play that game, finding careers in strength sports.

  • I’ll give you the joints/ frame. That stands up to logic and there’s some data about how much lean size you can carry based on frame. Like height for a basketball player, I think this can be a key point, maybe even THE key point, without being the only point.

  • I’m going to call the injuries a push. They’re events that happen. It’s just as easy to say because you didn’t have more frequent/ more serious injuries doing things other people don’t do, that you’re blessed.

  • To a cluster of points about coaching, changing interests, and self-rehab, I think we’re looking at the same data with different conclusions here (cue coronavirus debate): we could say you must have had extremely high base potential to accomplish what you have with the lifestyle controllables not in your favor.

Anyway, I’m not even necessarily saying you are genetically gifted; I just think we can’t really tell. To me, that’s a good thing - nobody really cares how you got there, the fact is you ARE better. People that want to do what you can do can show up or not. If they’re more gifted and it’s easier for them, great; if the opposite, life isn’t fair - but you either do it or don’t.

I hope this doesn’t come off as combative, because that’s not my goal at all.

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We both completely agree here, although I think we took different routes

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Just as an example of lack of physical aptitude. Learning the lifts took me longer than those with better coordination.

Regarding the injuries, for sure they’re events that happen, but I attribute it to a predisposition for it, once again as a result of the frame. My mom has required 5 knee surgeries and my brother’s kneecap is actually on sideways (he’ll stand with his feet facing forward, bend his knees, and one knee will collide into the other. It’s bizarre).

I do feel that this ignores time invested. It took me 20 years to get to where I am. It could have happened much faster.

I don’t interpret it as combative at all, but do appreciate the clarification to make sure we’re on the same terms. I’m working an early shift today and have copious amounts of time and boredom, haha. You’re absolutely right that we have no way of ever really knowing the answer, but I’m often quoted in saying that no one told me I had good genetics until AFTER I had trained for 15 years.

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I think we’re coming to the same practical, if not academic, conclusion here: try it and find out. Maybe you accidentally work yourself into gifted.

I’m drinking coffee because everyone is sleeping late, so I’m getting philosophical this morning.

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We just got this bad boy at Costco

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I haven’t had a chance to use it yet, but I’m excited. Got pumpkin spice flavors at the ready, because I’m not afraid to enjoy the fall, haha. My birthday is in Oct, so whenever the fall/halloween stuff starts coming out, I get way too excited.

And on that note, reading the “Eating Through The Sticking Points” article alwas gives me transcendental envy. I DID get to eat like that once in my very early 20s, and I took full advantage of it, but man do I miss those days. I once had my wife lose all sexual attraction to me after she watched me eat 6 Wendy’s Doublestacks right in front of her, and I still had room for more. I also would do 4-6 Cheesy Gordita Crunches at Taco Bell, 3 double doubles at In n Out (being in CA was awesome for gaining weight), etc.

One of my favorite “tricks” was with banana bread. My wife had these minibread baking pans that would make small loafs of the stuff, like this

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She’s wrap them loafs in aluminum foil. Well I’d grab a loaf, unwrap the foil, and eat the whole thing like a candy bar, haha. She’s still such an amazing baker, and avoiding all of that has been rough over the years. It was such a blessing then.

All in pursuit of getting to 220 at 5’9. Best I ever did was get to 217. Kroc was a 220 competitor at 5’9, so I had it in my head that, if I got to 220, I’d look like Kroc.

I was wrong, haha. But it also turned out that Kroc had gotten to a chubby-ish 270 in order to be a jacked 240, so that probably explains things.

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A billion % us. The pumpkin coffee is best. I know you’re not a drinker, but I like the pumpkin beers too. Well, I like one; after that they’re too sweet.

Some of the Halloween stores are already opening here. I like to go once early and hide a skeleton in a bed or something before I tell the kids it’s open. I’ll report back in a couple days…

All it took for me was having kids.

To be somewhat on track, you’re bringing up good points about eating. People want to get big and strong without getting gross at the table, or they want to get cut without paying attention to their food/ being hungry. It’s just doesn’t work that way.

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Jk​:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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You’ll have to explain that to my kid after I’ve taken the time to diligently pick out ALL the marshmallows in their Count Chocula cereal…

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Poor lil children, denied their dehydrated marshmallows.

I do it because they don’t like them. I can’t be upset about it: I didn’t like cereal marshmallows as a kid either. Or now for that matter. And now that cereal doesn’t come with a prize inside, there’s very little reason to suffer through a box of Lucky Charms.

To make this discussion be somewhat topical, breakfast cereal is another one of those hidden secrets to weight gain. Rice based cereal especially so. Rice Crispies, Fruity Pebbles or the chocolate variations of both go down SO easily. I’d pour them into a bowl and mix them with protein powder, milk, and whatever else as my post workout meal in order to get some quick carbs, and you can honestly drink them just fine.

And I read an article recently on Elitefts about a bodybuilding prep coach that no joke prescribes Rice Crispy treats as a carb source toward the end of contest prep. The justification was actually really sound: they’re pretty much pure carbs, and when you’re that close to the finish line, you want precise measurements of macro intakes, so you don’t want to rely on someone trying to measure out a cup of rice when you can just say “have 1 treat with this meal, 2 treats with this meal, etc”. Referring to the pre-packaged ones of course.

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Those things are disgusting. I loved Count Chocula and Booberry and Frankenberry as a kid, when we were allowed to have it. I tried a box a couple of years ago to discover it’s completely changed from what they sold then and just sucks now. I never could get used to that waxy coating in the mouth from stuff like Pebbles or Lucky Charms. Ick. I miss eating 5 Whoppers at a time, or an 8 piece from Church’s Chicken. I had two tacos from Jack In The Box the other day, I blaming you for that. You’re a bad influence, LOL.

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I totally am, haha. And I’m envious of you. Man I miss Jack in the Box. One of the dudes in that article I posted was putting away 20 tacos at a time covered in buttermilk ranch dressing. That’s gotta be super anabolic.

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I think I gained just reading that.

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This my kind of diet!

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I’m listening.

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Annndddd… now I am making carne guisada. Hope y’all are happy. :laughing: I better be able to bench press a buick!

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Once again, to prove my existence, it’s noon, mid-workout, I have yet to eat my first meal, and none of this has made me hungry.

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