2014 NFL Thread III

[quote]ddot76 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
It didn’t like the call then; I don’t like the call now. I’m not convinced it was the worst call in the history of sports, however.

And I’m also not convinced it isn’t mostly on Bevell. Pete didn’t call an offensive play all year so I doubt he called this one.

Fuck, I’m still trying to process this disaster. [/quote]

Watching it again, Lockette has a lot of fault here. He slowed up to hand catch it, where as if he had run through he would have caught it on the numbers, blocking Butler out.
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Bevell, is that you?!?!
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lmao…

It’s the wrong call yes, but the Pat’s d had it read from jump street. Which means, irrelevant the call, Seattle got out coached.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Watching it again, Lockette has a lot of fault here. He slowed up to hand catch it, where as if he had run through he would have caught it on the numbers, blocking Butler out.
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Nah, Butler knocked his ass out. Even if he runs through BEST* case is a PI call, which we all know isn’t happening right there.

The way Butler and Browner played that… No throw to that side of the field (outside a broken play) results in a touch. Wilson isn’t completing that pass, Manning isn’t completing that pass, Montana isn’t competing that pass to Rice. Butler knew the play the second the receiver moved inside.

Best being it isn’t an interception. [/quote]

When you say Manning, I am assuming you mean Peyton, cuz against the Pats, Eli completes that pass 9 out of 10 times. Just Sayin.

And had he run through it would have had to been a PI call or Butler would have had to let him catch it, one of the two. Dude, got a little complacent and didn’t feel Butler coming till to late, thinking he had the easy TD. Still don’t like thee call though.

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Interesting stats:

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I might be in the minority, but I don’t think it was a bad call at all. Everyone on the planet expected Lynch to get the ball so they go for a little surprise attack through the air. It happens all the time, but in this rare case player made a huge play no one anticipated. The stars just aligned and shit right on Wilson.

Butler made a great break, absolutely spectacular break, but Lockette made it easier for him by settling for catching it with his arms. Typically, that slight break to make the catch easier for yourself wouldn’t cost you but the way Butler played it, it cost them big time. WIlson also could have put the ball a little more into Lockette’s body for a little added safety.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Interesting stats:

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I might be in the minority, but I don’t think it was a bad call at all. Everyone on the planet expected Lynch to get the ball so they go for a little surprise attack through the air. It happens all the time, but in this rare case player made a huge play no one anticipated. The stars just aligned and shit right on Wilson. [/quote]

I might could go with the pass not being a bad call, but that route was. A bootleg dump to Lynch, the way they run the pick, a bootleg dump to Lockette on the out, just don’t throw it to the middle.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

When you say Manning, I am assuming you mean Peyton, cuz against the Pats, Eli completes that pass 9 out of 10 times. Just Sayin. [/quote]

Ouch… that one zings still lol.

Butler is def taking the chance at a penalty there.

Which is shit coaching, IMO. I agree, but either all their shit talk got ot his head, or it’s lax coaching.

Pretty sure the first and only time he felt Butler is when his life flashed before his eyes and he thought he got hit by a train.

Wilson had to come back to earth at some point, most players do, it just sucks for him that it happened in the a last 2 games of the 2014-2015 season. Go back a few pages where we were discussing his off the charts playoff qbr (or whatever stat it was…).

I for one can’t wait to see how he reacts to this over the next few years. I could see dude with 5 rings before his career is over.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Interesting stats:

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I might be in the minority, but I don’t think it was a bad call at all. Everyone on the planet expected Lynch to get the ball so they go for a little surprise attack through the air. It happens all the time, but in this rare case player made a huge play no one anticipated. The stars just aligned and shit right on Wilson. [/quote]

I might could go with the pass not being a bad call, but that route was. A bootleg dump to Lynch, the way they run the pick, a bootleg dump to Lockette on the out, just don’t throw it to the middle. [/quote]

Ya maybe. I pretty much just ask Madden to call my plays…

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Pretty sure the first and only time he felt Butler is when his life flashed before his eyes and he thought he got hit by a train.
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That’s what I meant by too late. Ha and I was really proud of that Eli comment.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I for one can’t wait to see how he reacts to this over the next few years. I could see dude with 5 rings before his career is over. [/quote]

Depends on the other 52 guys on the team. I though Rothesburger or however you spell it was going to bring home a lot of jewelry too. Dude is clutch.

I though Flaco was a bum, but dude is so money in the playoffs… All he needs is a D to win 2 or 3 more.

Wilson will be fine… I think its Carol that is going to show as permanently damaged, even though he is covering for his OC, who will now never get a head coaching gig.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I for one can’t wait to see how he reacts to this over the next few years. I could see dude with 5 rings before his career is over. [/quote]

Depends on the other 52 guys on the team. I though Rothesburger or however you spell it was going to bring home a lot of jewelry too. Dude is clutch.

I though Flaco was a bum, but dude is so money in the playoffs… All he needs is a D to win 2 or 3 more.

Wilson will be fine… I think its Carol that is going to show as permanently damaged, even though he is covering for his OC, who will now never get a head coaching gig. [/quote]

Ya I agree. I think Wilson has the potential to be better than both Raplisberger and Flacco, but it all depends on how he proceeds from here.

Re: Flacco, why that mofo is so good in the playoffs and slightly above average in the regular season is infuriating for a Ravens fan…

lmfao… Just lmfao

Anyone going to rationalize this shit away too? Holy shit!

If this doesn’t validate every word I’ve said on the matter I don’t know what will.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Pretty sure the first and only time he felt Butler is when his life flashed before his eyes and he thought he got hit by a train.
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That’s what I meant by too late. Ha and I was really proud of that Eli comment. [/quote]

Am I the only one who thinks that passes to the middle of the field, in the end zone, are thrown low and away with the receiver falling to the ground? I can’t believe the Seahawks practice that play in that fashion.

And as far as money playoff QBs go, I’d say Eli has earned a place above Flacco; yet Flacco is always mentioned as the guy for some reason. Biased Giants fan here.

[quote]punnyguy wrote:

And as far as money playoff QBs go, I’d say Eli has earned a place above Flacco; yet Flacco is always mentioned as the guy for some reason. Biased Giants fan here.

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No, you’re right. The Manning that Shall Not Be Named certainly gets a place at the table for sure.

[quote]punnyguy wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Pretty sure the first and only time he felt Butler is when his life flashed before his eyes and he thought he got hit by a train.
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That’s what I meant by too late. Ha and I was really proud of that Eli comment. [/quote]

Am I the only one who thinks that passes to the middle of the field, in the end zone, are thrown low and away with the receiver falling to the ground? I can’t believe the Seahawks practice that play in that fashion.

And as far as money playoff QBs go, I’d say Eli has earned a place above Flacco; yet Flacco is always mentioned as the guy for some reason. Biased Giants fan here.

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The numbers are similar, but Flacco’s are a little better I’d say. He’s also gone on a crazy run the last 3 years. He tied one Montana record and almost tied another one. What stands out to me is the # of TD’s & INTs. He’s got 8 more TDs and only 2 more picks than Eli. Flacco also has more road playoff wins than any other qb in playoff history.

Flacco:

First rookie quarterback to start all sixteen games and make the playoffs.

First rookie quarterback to win two playoff games
Most starts by a quarterback in first season: 19
Most starts by a quarterback in first two seasons: 37
Most starts by a quarterback in first three seasons: 55
Most starts by a quarterback in first four seasons: 73
Most starts by a quarterback in first five seasons: 93
Most wins by a quarterback in first 80 consecutive starts: 54
Most combined regular and postseason wins in first three years as a quarterback: 36 (tied with Dan Marino)
Only quarterback to start and win a playoff game in each of his first five seasons
Most road playoff wins by a quarterback: 6
Most touchdowns in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner)
Most touchdowns without an interception in a postseason: 11 (tied with Joe Montana)
First quarterback to have a passer rating over 100 in all four games of a single postseason.
Most consecutive playoff games with three passing touchdowns: 3 (tied with Bernie Kosar, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers)

Note that after only five years Flacco already has more road playoff wins than any other QB in the HISTORY of the NFL. And his best years are ahead of him.

Eli:

Most 4th-quarter touchdown passes in a season (15 in 2011)
Tied NFL Record longest pass completion and touchdown (99 yards in 2011)
Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8 in 2011)
Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
Most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219 yards in 2011)

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Interesting stats:

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I might be in the minority, but I don’t think it was a bad call at all. Everyone on the planet expected Lynch to get the ball so they go for a little surprise attack through the air. It happens all the time, but in this rare case player made a huge play no one anticipated. The stars just aligned and shit right on Wilson. [/quote]

I might could go with the pass not being a bad call, but that route was. A bootleg dump to Lynch, the way they run the pick, a bootleg dump to Lockette on the out, just don’t throw it to the middle. [/quote]

My thoughts were something similar.

Fake the dive right to Lynch (linebackers bite up to stop the dive), QB rollout left throwing to a tight end dragging across the back line of the end zone. Thrown high and outside.

The play called was a pretty low percentage pass, that’s being nice.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Mark my words, 5 - 10 - 20 years from now it will be known as The Call.

That’s all it will take and e’eryone that’s anyone about the NFL will know the subject.[/quote]

The Immaculate Reception

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

Fake the dive right to Lynch (linebackers bite up to stop the dive), QB rollout left throwing to a tight end dragging across the back line of the end zone. Thrown high and outside.

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There was only one LB not on the line And with Nink and Collins on the outside, the rollout becomes a lower percentage play.

Look, end of the day, the Pats were more prepared for that series of downs than the Seahawks. They had their bases covered. That’s why you hand it to Lynch, he can make a play.