Desmond Miller has great muscle seperation and good size.
But I personally feel he lost most of his aesthetics due to packing on all that added mass. Even dieted down his waist/abdomen needs trimming down.
Big as a house and still a threat in most shows he will do but I don’t think he will krack top 10 at the O if he even qualifies personally.
I also heard about the health issues and I think he had another kid as well…
Do you know what/if any show he has planned X?
DG
I like Jay as a bodybuilder, but the wind is blowing in a different direction these days. Big waist, loose skin, symmetry issues etc. For pure mass he’s hard to beat.
He’s definitely a threat for the top 6, but with the kind of package Heath, Martinez, Kai and Wolfe are going to be bringing? Anything above 5th would be a gift unless everyone else is WAY off.
[quote]LUEshi wrote:
No one has Cutler in the top 3? Damn…
I like Jay as a bodybuilder, but the wind is blowing in a different direction these days. Big waist, loose skin, symmetry issues etc. For pure mass he’s hard to beat.
He’s definitely a threat for the top 6, but with the kind of package Heath, Martinez, Kai and Wolfe are going to be bringing? Anything above 5th would be a gift unless everyone else is WAY off.[/quote]
or jay is waaay on. lol
As said all last year…if Jay can bring is 01 package I see him cracking top 3 and possibly taking it.
I agree that I doubt he will place top 5 and it will be a gift if he does in the condition he came in last year…
but he is still a threat to be reckoned with…
DG
Ronny Rockel with or without striated glutes should win the show. I hope Jay Cutler can take one more he dsereved the Olympia in 2001 and seems like a great champion and grizzled veteran.
That is the downside of bodybuilding you have such a limited time of your body peaking. Though Jay likely knows more about posing, on stage presence and how to prepare himself, his body is simply running out of gas. Unlike say baseball where a guy like Hank Aaron can show a young guy up by having so much expercience.
[quote]tnt2005 wrote:
Ronny Rockel with or without striated glutes should win the show. I hope Jay Cutler can take one more he dsereved the Olympia in 2001 and seems like a great champion and grizzled veteran.
That is the downside of bodybuilding you have such a limited time of your body peaking. Though Jay likely knows more about posing, on stage presence and how to prepare himself, his body is simply running out of gas. Unlike say baseball where a guy like Hank Aaron can show a young guy up by having so much expercience.[/quote]
what?
experience plays a hug role in bodybuilding. Stage presence…posing…etc. You only have a limited time to ‘peak’ every so often…years competing doesn’t have much to do with that. I’m sure every pro has a ‘I was my best at’ show, but that doesn’t mean that a guy like ronnie or flex wheeler can come out of retirement and still ‘peak’ for a show. Age plays a big role for most unless your a guy like Toney Freeman, but Jay is still young enough where he can still look great for a show. I just don’t think he has the body that the judges are looking for.
I don’t think Ronnie Rockel has even won a pro show yet, why do you think he should deserve the O? Rockel has a very aesthetic physique… It’s all opinion, but I was wondering what brought you to that one? lol
DG
[quote]LUEshi wrote:
No one has Cutler in the top 3? Damn…
I like Jay as a bodybuilder, but the wind is blowing in a different direction these days. Big waist, loose skin, symmetry issues etc. For pure mass he’s hard to beat.
He’s definitely a threat for the top 6, but with the kind of package Heath, Martinez, Kai and Wolfe are going to be bringing? Anything above 5th would be a gift unless everyone else is WAY off.[/quote]
About Wolf, he was so hyped up going into last year (as he took the entire year off) and he took 5th. This year Vic is back and I really don’t see Wolf moving up at all, possibly down. I guess I just don’t get the hype.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
tnt2005 wrote:
Ronny Rockel with or without striated glutes should win the show. I hope Jay Cutler can take one more he dsereved the Olympia in 2001 and seems like a great champion and grizzled veteran.
That is the downside of bodybuilding you have such a limited time of your body peaking. Though Jay likely knows more about posing, on stage presence and how to prepare himself, his body is simply running out of gas. Unlike say baseball where a guy like Hank Aaron can show a young guy up by having so much expercience.
what?
experience plays a hug role in bodybuilding. Stage presence…posing…etc. You only have a limited time to ‘peak’ every so often…years competing doesn’t have much to do with that. I’m sure every pro has a ‘I was my best at’ show, but that doesn’t mean that a guy like ronnie or flex wheeler can come out of retirement and still ‘peak’ for a show. Age plays a big role for most unless your a guy like Toney Freeman, but Jay is still young enough where he can still look great for a show. I just don’t think he has the body that the judges are looking for.
I don’t think Ronnie Rockel has even won a pro show yet, why do you think he should deserve the O? Rockel has a very aesthetic physique… It’s all opinion, but I was wondering what brought you to that one? lol
DG[/quote]
Just my opinion I really like his physique. I think if the IFBB made it mandotory for posing trunks to cover the butt he’d win alot more shows, and flex wheeler would not have won as many shows. I think there is a limited time Flex or Ronnie can’t comeback. Your body can only grow so long and even with steriods they can only do so much. There is only so many years you can tear your body down with the intensity of a proffesionaly bodybuilder and grow it back bigger and stronger until your body doesn’t heal back.
Kai, he’s called like me. Yes he definitely going to win Mr. 0 
The guy is massive. Awesome thickness overall.
[quote]tnt2005 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
tnt2005 wrote:
Ronny Rockel with or without striated glutes should win the show. I hope Jay Cutler can take one more he dsereved the Olympia in 2001 and seems like a great champion and grizzled veteran.
That is the downside of bodybuilding you have such a limited time of your body peaking. Though Jay likely knows more about posing, on stage presence and how to prepare himself, his body is simply running out of gas. Unlike say baseball where a guy like Hank Aaron can show a young guy up by having so much expercience.
what?
experience plays a hug role in bodybuilding. Stage presence…posing…etc. You only have a limited time to ‘peak’ every so often…years competing doesn’t have much to do with that. I’m sure every pro has a ‘I was my best at’ show, but that doesn’t mean that a guy like ronnie or flex wheeler can come out of retirement and still ‘peak’ for a show. Age plays a big role for most unless your a guy like Toney Freeman, but Jay is still young enough where he can still look great for a show. I just don’t think he has the body that the judges are looking for.
I don’t think Ronnie Rockel has even won a pro show yet, why do you think he should deserve the O? Rockel has a very aesthetic physique… It’s all opinion, but I was wondering what brought you to that one? lol
DG
Just my opinion I really like his physique. I think if the IFBB made it mandotory for posing trunks to cover the butt he’d win alot more shows, and flex wheeler would not have won as many shows. I think there is a limited time Flex or Ronnie can’t comeback. Your body can only grow so long and even with steriods they can only do so much. There is only so many years you can tear your body down with the intensity of a proffesionaly bodybuilder and grow it back bigger and stronger until your body doesn’t heal back.
[/quote]
fair enough on rockel. I think he has a killer physique as well…Its just not every day you hear his name in the mix for who’s going to win the O know what I mean? so I wanted to get your opinion. lol
as far as the term ‘peak’ it doesnt mean age nor experience, or how long somebody has been training. I agree you can only do this sport for soo long before your body has enough.
The term ‘peak’ for a show means lining up the stars and praying to God that you carb load properly, water deplete, etc. Drugs, nutrition, training…it all comes into play. Many say that people of that caliber and size can only truly ‘peak’ once per year. Meaning that if they ‘peak’ for a show and then compete again in a short time frame chances are they won’t be able to ‘peak’ again. Altho people like our current Mr. O DJAX have proven people wrong by peaking in any show he does no matter what…thats why he’s known as the blade. lol
As far as Jay finding his peak again, I think it’s possible. If he pulls a Dennis James and doesn’t worry about size and trims down a bit even sacrificing some muscle for an extremely peeled/dry look then he still has it in him. Unfortunately the body altering changes that things like insulin/GH etc for the most part cannot be undone…Jay may always have to pull the blocky caveman look from too many years of trying to play the mass game.
Idk we will see come september.
Keep in mind that altho Jay has been competing since a teen…he is only in his mid-30’s…Freeman is in his 40’s and DJAX is turning 40…so I don’t think it’s age or how long they’ve been doing it…just moreso what each man has done to their physique since turning pro.
I believe Jay is one of the last of the ‘mass monsters’ altho Kai is knocking on that doorstep…I personally like him keeping the aesthetic side…but to each his own
Wow T-Nation I think you should hire somebody like myself and a few others on this forum to cover the shows…because to be honest all of your ‘bodybuilding coverage’ blows for those of us who actually follow the sport…
only playing unless you take me seriously 
LOL!
DG
Yeah right bro (Gerdy), they would want us to be politically correct like Dan Solomon. “Jay is in the best condition of his life!” “The best evah!” Man, Dan must have been smokin’ soma that crack.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Yeah right bro (Gerdy), they would want us to be politically correct like Dan Solomon. “Jay is in the best condition of his life!” “The best evah!” Man, Dan must have been smokin’ soma that crack. [/quote]
I don’t even know why he’s a comentator lol Bob Chicharillo is the man tho…that dood is straight up for the most part and seems to take pride in his job. lol
Jerome Ferguson should be given an announcer job…that dood is funny. lol
DG
-you know what…I’m tired of putting DG after every damn post…this is the last time. lol
Yeah, I got tired of typing two centavos too. Now I say, cheers, cheerio, chip chip cheerio, or hallelujah holla back. lol. Man, I can’t belive the mods didn’t ding me on that post. For real, I wish someone could hold Dan while I have a solid 20 foot running start so I could kick the guy in the nuts. Yeah the Chikster actually knows what’s what in the sport.
Lee Priest would be a riot, though. You read his view on the 08 Olympia in MD. The 09 is bound to be a good show, but I’m dying to know whats going on in Big Nasty land. Read they put him back together and wants to return.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Yeah, I got tired of typing two centavos too. Now I say, cheers, cheerio, chip chip cheerio, or hallelujah holla back. lol. Man, I can’t belive the mods didn’t ding me on that post. For real, I wish someone could hold Dan while I have a solid 20 foot running start so I could kick the guy in the nuts. Yeah the Chikster actually knows what’s what in the sport.
Lee Priest would be a riot, though. You read his view on the 08 Olympia in MD. The 09 is bound to be a good show, but I’m dying to know whats going on in Big Nasty land. Read they put him back together and wants to return. [/quote]
LMAO a 20 foot running start to kick the guy in the nuts. HAHAHA!
I feel you on the 09 O…I think Ronnie wants to make a comback…I just think that too much ‘damage’ has already been done to his physique that he can’t come back from. But wouldn’t that be something to toss in this mix of the 2009 Olympia story. lol
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Yeah, I got tired of typing two centavos too. Now I say, cheers, cheerio, chip chip cheerio, or hallelujah holla back. lol. Man, I can’t belive the mods didn’t ding me on that post. For real, I wish someone could hold Dan while I have a solid 20 foot running start so I could kick the guy in the nuts. Yeah the Chikster actually knows what’s what in the sport.
Lee Priest would be a riot, though. You read his view on the 08 Olympia in MD. The 09 is bound to be a good show, but I’m dying to know whats going on in Big Nasty land. Read they put him back together and wants to return.
LMAO a 20 foot running start to kick the guy in the nuts. HAHAHA!
I feel you on the 09 O…I think Ronnie wants to make a comback…I just think that too much ‘damage’ has already been done to his physique that he can’t come back from. But wouldn’t that be something to toss in this mix of the 2009 Olympia story. lol[/quote]
I’m saying it right now…if Ronnie comes back for the 2009 O, I’ll see you all in Vegas.
[quote]B-Mac13 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Yeah, I got tired of typing two centavos too. Now I say, cheers, cheerio, chip chip cheerio, or hallelujah holla back. lol. Man, I can’t belive the mods didn’t ding me on that post. For real, I wish someone could hold Dan while I have a solid 20 foot running start so I could kick the guy in the nuts. Yeah the Chikster actually knows what’s what in the sport.
Lee Priest would be a riot, though. You read his view on the 08 Olympia in MD. The 09 is bound to be a good show, but I’m dying to know whats going on in Big Nasty land. Read they put him back together and wants to return.
LMAO a 20 foot running start to kick the guy in the nuts. HAHAHA!
I feel you on the 09 O…I think Ronnie wants to make a comback…I just think that too much ‘damage’ has already been done to his physique that he can’t come back from. But wouldn’t that be something to toss in this mix of the 2009 Olympia story. lol
I’m saying it right now…if Ronnie comes back for the 2009 O, I’ll see you all in Vegas.[/quote]
Thats what I’m saying, I would go but having the Big Nasty up on stage again will make me call up Ticketmaster, rent me a M3 from Hertz, and do up the 6 hour drive down there in a heartbeat.
[quote]B-Mac13 wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Yeah, I got tired of typing two centavos too. Now I say, cheers, cheerio, chip chip cheerio, or hallelujah holla back. lol. Man, I can’t belive the mods didn’t ding me on that post. For real, I wish someone could hold Dan while I have a solid 20 foot running start so I could kick the guy in the nuts. Yeah the Chikster actually knows what’s what in the sport.
Lee Priest would be a riot, though. You read his view on the 08 Olympia in MD. The 09 is bound to be a good show, but I’m dying to know whats going on in Big Nasty land. Read they put him back together and wants to return.
LMAO a 20 foot running start to kick the guy in the nuts. HAHAHA!
I feel you on the 09 O…I think Ronnie wants to make a comback…I just think that too much ‘damage’ has already been done to his physique that he can’t come back from. But wouldn’t that be something to toss in this mix of the 2009 Olympia story. lol
I’m saying it right now…if Ronnie comes back for the 2009 O, I’ll see you all in Vegas.[/quote]
Oh, He’ll be back. Probably in the european shows since he is god over there. He will be back because it is good for the sport. Whether you love him or hate him, if he came back people would flock to see what he brings. He should get that big ass mole thing on his head checked for cancer. Over the years, it has grown with his physique.
Guys, how can you write off Cutler? I obviously dont know him personally, but i can see him coming back with a bang!!
Dexter wont drop out of the top 3 will he?
Victor will be lucky to be top 5.
[quote]G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
Guys, how can you write off Cutler? I obviously dont know him personally, but i can see him coming back with a bang!!
Dexter wont drop out of the top 3 will he?
Victor will be lucky to be top 5.
ronnie and jay’s ‘look’ is not what the judges are awarding anymore.
I’ll say it one last time. IF JAY brings his 2001 conditioning he will be a threat to take back the crown…and probably do so. If he doesn’t and comes in like the past couple years then he’s done…
I agree with flex wheeler he needs to trim down and come in peeled under 260lbs and quit worrying about how big he is…the mass monster ronnie isn’t in it to win it anymore…
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
Guys, how can you write off Cutler? I obviously dont know him personally, but i can see him coming back with a bang!!
Dexter wont drop out of the top 3 will he?
Victor will be lucky to be top 5.
ronnie and jay’s ‘look’ is not what the judges are awarding anymore.
I’ll say it one last time. IF JAY brings his 2001 conditioning he will be a threat to take back the crown…and probably do so. If he doesn’t and comes in like the past couple years then he’s done…
I agree with flex wheeler he needs to trim down and come in peeled under 260lbs and quit worrying about how big he is…the mass monster ronnie isn’t in it to win it anymore…[/quote]
True be that. If I were Jay, after last year’s showing (even thought it was his alleged ‘best condition evah’) Id would concentrate on milking that Musculo Technologia (what not everyone speaks spanish) cock till the bottom fell out.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
Guys, how can you write off Cutler? I obviously dont know him personally, but i can see him coming back with a bang!!
Dexter wont drop out of the top 3 will he?
Victor will be lucky to be top 5.
ronnie and jay’s ‘look’ is not what the judges are awarding anymore.
I’ll say it one last time. IF JAY brings his 2001 conditioning he will be a threat to take back the crown…and probably do so. If he doesn’t and comes in like the past couple years then he’s done…
I agree with flex wheeler he needs to trim down and come in peeled under 260lbs and quit worrying about how big he is…the mass monster ronnie isn’t in it to win it anymore…[/quote]
…or is he?
Looks like I better buy my plane ticket…