Is your goal just strength?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So you aren’t really asking for opinions you just gonna do this? I am now not understanding the op[/quote]
^This.
Why even ask the validity of such an idea when you just get butthurt when people shut it down for its obvious flaws?[/quote] how the fuck am i butthurt? this is a discussion thread, i like this this idea because to me it makes a lot of sense. so i make this thread to listen to counter arguments and personal experiences. if someone says it sucks without giving a reason i am not going to listen to them, if someone says it sucks with a reason i am going to debate that reason to the best of my knowledge and if that person is right of course i am going to change my view what the fuck would be point of making this thread if i didn’t debate and of course didn’t change my view?? [/quote]
Well, your “new idea” has been done before. That is basically what that original “ABCDE” diet was where you “gain” for two weeks and then “cut” for two weeks.
That led to people running circles…not massive muscle gains and great fat loss.
Look, to make real progress, you choose a goal and go after it alone. You work on gaining muscle or losing fat…not both at the same time. Leave that to people who have been training long enough to know within very narrow perameters their usual caloric needs and training needs.
To gain real muscle you had better be down for this way longer than a couple of weeks at a time.[/quote]
hmm i will have to read up on this abcde diet to see how it differentiates from my idea. i agree that its wise to chase one goal at a time, but for me personally the long cutting phases really just make me spin my wheels. usually after 1-2 months i start stalling and quickly start losing strength after that. this results in me spinning my wheels, which is why i am looking for different alternatives.
i did notice during my last cut that within the first month and a half i could make progress and i put 5 kg on my bench max, while being in what i thought to be a 25% deficit( can never be 100% sure of course)
so my thougth process was that maybe i could make progress during these short cuts of 7 days as well? as long as i dont make them any longer than that and reduce volume during the period. have you ever tried it yourself?
i will ask around on other forums as well, and keeping looking for information on if this would work, if i decide to try it i will surely report back to this thread for people wondering about this as well. [/quote]
I hope not too many people are wondering about this.
Have great fun on your trek for reasons to do this.
You could be building some muscle in that time…but hey, you have goals.[/quote] lol general attitude of T-Nation right there, either you agree with the norm or you fuck off
Lol no it’s just this has been discussed plenty of times and no one who knows or that has accomplished anything in the sport advocate this. There is a reason…or many
I just took measurements today. My diet over the last 3 weeks basically went something like 2 weeks bulk, 3/4 week cut, 1/4 week bulk. The “cut” was due to a hard-hitting episode of depression that killed my appetite and training; obviously unplanned.
During that time, I lost .5 inches in the waist, added .5 inches to my chest, 1 inch to my shoulders, and gained 1.3 lbs.
I should have done much better than that weight-wise, but there’s some actual numbers.
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So you aren’t really asking for opinions you just gonna do this? I am now not understanding the op[/quote]
^This.
Why even ask the validity of such an idea when you just get butthurt when people shut it down for its obvious flaws?[/quote] how the fuck am i butthurt? this is a discussion thread, i like this this idea because to me it makes a lot of sense. so i make this thread to listen to counter arguments and personal experiences. if someone says it sucks without giving a reason i am not going to listen to them, if someone says it sucks with a reason i am going to debate that reason to the best of my knowledge and if that person is right of course i am going to change my view what the fuck would be point of making this thread if i didn’t debate and of course didn’t change my view?? [/quote]
Well, your “new idea” has been done before. That is basically what that original “ABCDE” diet was where you “gain” for two weeks and then “cut” for two weeks.
That led to people running circles…not massive muscle gains and great fat loss.
Look, to make real progress, you choose a goal and go after it alone. You work on gaining muscle or losing fat…not both at the same time. Leave that to people who have been training long enough to know within very narrow perameters their usual caloric needs and training needs.
To gain real muscle you had better be down for this way longer than a couple of weeks at a time.[/quote]
hmm i will have to read up on this abcde diet to see how it differentiates from my idea. i agree that its wise to chase one goal at a time, but for me personally the long cutting phases really just make me spin my wheels. usually after 1-2 months i start stalling and quickly start losing strength after that. this results in me spinning my wheels, which is why i am looking for different alternatives.
i did notice during my last cut that within the first month and a half i could make progress and i put 5 kg on my bench max, while being in what i thought to be a 25% deficit( can never be 100% sure of course)
so my thougth process was that maybe i could make progress during these short cuts of 7 days as well? as long as i dont make them any longer than that and reduce volume during the period. have you ever tried it yourself?
i will ask around on other forums as well, and keeping looking for information on if this would work, if i decide to try it i will surely report back to this thread for people wondering about this as well. [/quote]
I hope not too many people are wondering about this.
Have great fun on your trek for reasons to do this.
You could be building some muscle in that time…but hey, you have goals.[/quote] lol general attitude of T-Nation right there, either you agree with the norm or you fuck off [/quote]
I didn’t tell you to fuck off.
I just know what really big muscles look like and most of the people with them didn’t do what you are trying to do.
Build,
If you want to pursue this idea, then go ahead. But the collective masses here (who between all of us here have probably have tried and learned a ton of shit) all disagree with this idea.
Good luck on your venture, just please don’t start another thread asking why this didn’t work for you.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Lol no it’s just this has been discussed plenty of times and no one who knows or that has accomplished anything in the sport advocate this. There is a reason…or many[/quote] believe me if i could get all my answers from searching i wouldn’t be making this thread because its always the same responses. recomp has been discussed plenty of times yes, but that usually ecompases people being in a slight deficit all the time. this is different from that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So you aren’t really asking for opinions you just gonna do this? I am now not understanding the op[/quote]
^This.
Why even ask the validity of such an idea when you just get butthurt when people shut it down for its obvious flaws?[/quote] how the fuck am i butthurt? this is a discussion thread, i like this this idea because to me it makes a lot of sense. so i make this thread to listen to counter arguments and personal experiences. if someone says it sucks without giving a reason i am not going to listen to them, if someone says it sucks with a reason i am going to debate that reason to the best of my knowledge and if that person is right of course i am going to change my view what the fuck would be point of making this thread if i didn’t debate and of course didn’t change my view?? [/quote]
Well, your “new idea” has been done before. That is basically what that original “ABCDE” diet was where you “gain” for two weeks and then “cut” for two weeks.
That led to people running circles…not massive muscle gains and great fat loss.
Look, to make real progress, you choose a goal and go after it alone. You work on gaining muscle or losing fat…not both at the same time. Leave that to people who have been training long enough to know within very narrow perameters their usual caloric needs and training needs.
To gain real muscle you had better be down for this way longer than a couple of weeks at a time.[/quote]
hmm i will have to read up on this abcde diet to see how it differentiates from my idea. i agree that its wise to chase one goal at a time, but for me personally the long cutting phases really just make me spin my wheels. usually after 1-2 months i start stalling and quickly start losing strength after that. this results in me spinning my wheels, which is why i am looking for different alternatives.
i did notice during my last cut that within the first month and a half i could make progress and i put 5 kg on my bench max, while being in what i thought to be a 25% deficit( can never be 100% sure of course)
so my thougth process was that maybe i could make progress during these short cuts of 7 days as well? as long as i dont make them any longer than that and reduce volume during the period. have you ever tried it yourself?
i will ask around on other forums as well, and keeping looking for information on if this would work, if i decide to try it i will surely report back to this thread for people wondering about this as well. [/quote]
I hope not too many people are wondering about this.
Have great fun on your trek for reasons to do this.
You could be building some muscle in that time…but hey, you have goals.[/quote] lol general attitude of T-Nation right there, either you agree with the norm or you fuck off [/quote]
I didn’t tell you to fuck off.
I just know what really big muscles look like and most of the people with them didn’t do what you are trying to do.[/quote] not directly no, but you disregarded everything i had to say or asked about when i didn’t agree to what you had to say immediately
well who knows, maybe the big guys you know are on steroids which mostly likely change the game some. how do you know anyway, that because they didn’t do it wouldn’t be optimal?
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Truthfully, it sounds like an absolutely horrible idea to me.
My 2 cents[/quote]
Why? If this would work… [/quote]
Pretty big “if”. I don’t think it would work. I could be wrong, but for most people that would end up (as said above) in spinning your wheels. Have you found anyone, anywhere who has done this successfully? Perhaps you could google it and see if anyone agrees with you?
Why don’t you just eat clean and limit cals a little more on your bulk? If you feel you are getting “too soft” add in a HIIT session or go for some long walks?
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sure, i googled and searched and read all i found but it was pretty limited. most people ask and experiment with exactly what you are describing, which is a very slight calorie deficit all day every day. and i think that the body needs surplus calories to create the anabolic environment needed to make the body prioritize muscle growth, the question is of course when you create that environment during your bulk how long does it take to make it change to a catabolic environment( lower testosterone for example) and i think the answer is around 5-7 days based on stuff i have read around the nett, so my logic is keep the bulking going for longer than 7 days and keep the cut for no longer than 7 days so you dont give the body time to change into a catabolic envirement[/quote]
Hmm… this was the second hit when I googled: 2 Week Bulk 1 Week Cut Cycle Thoughts | Tiger Fitness - YouTube
You’ll notice in the video, the guy is 1) not from T-Nation 2) saying EXACTLY what most people on this site are saying.
I think that you may think this is a “new” idea. It’s not. I’ve probably seen 1-2 dozen of this exact thread over the years on this and other sites.
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
lol general attitude of T-Nation right there, either you agree with the norm or you fuck off [/quote]
Nah man, had you posted this in the “Beginners” forum, I think people would have been nicer. This forum is more for people with experience. “Research” on the “'nett” isn’t going to get a lot of people on “your side” in this sub-forum.
We’re trying to give you some tough love man. I REALLY doubt what you are thinking about doing will work. That is just honest truth. I’ve NEVER seen that sort of program work, ever. However, I’ve seen probably hundreds of people on this site and others who have found success by eating caloric surplus for a few months, monitoring their meals, weights, results, modifying when necessary, and setting 3-6 month goals.
Honest question: Why do you think you are part of the 1% and that your program will work despite not working for anyone else that you could find? Why wouldn’t you use a course that has demonstrated results?
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
not directly no, but you disregarded everything i had to say or asked about when i didn’t agree to what you had to say immediately [/quote]
Really? When did I do all of this?
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well who knows, maybe the big guys you know are on steroids which mostly likely change the game some. how do you know anyway, that because they didn’t do it wouldn’t be optimal?[/quote]
Uh, what?
Right, the ABCDE diet has been around for a while and most were unsuccessful. Here’s an old link to an ‘update’ TC wrote back in the day:ABCDE Diet
The only way you’ll know if it works is to try it. Go for it and post a follow up…Good luck.
[quote]believer423 wrote:
Right, the ABCDE diet has been around for a while and most were unsuccessful. Here’s an old link to an ‘update’ TC wrote back in the day:ABCDE Diet
The only way you’ll know if it works is to try it. Go for it and post a follow up…Good luck.[/quote]
Thank you.
All that was said is, HEY, WE HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT.
This was ignored.
I have tried this. I did this whole diet for months of two on two off.
I made LESS PROGRESS than I did usually.
but hey…what do I and my muscles know?
try it out for 6 months and report back
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Truthfully, it sounds like an absolutely horrible idea to me.
My 2 cents[/quote]
Why? If this would work… [/quote]
Pretty big “if”. I don’t think it would work. I could be wrong, but for most people that would end up (as said above) in spinning your wheels. Have you found anyone, anywhere who has done this successfully? Perhaps you could google it and see if anyone agrees with you?
Why don’t you just eat clean and limit cals a little more on your bulk? If you feel you are getting “too soft” add in a HIIT session or go for some long walks?
[/quote]
sure, i googled and searched and read all i found but it was pretty limited. most people ask and experiment with exactly what you are describing, which is a very slight calorie deficit all day every day. and i think that the body needs surplus calories to create the anabolic environment needed to make the body prioritize muscle growth, the question is of course when you create that environment during your bulk how long does it take to make it change to a catabolic environment( lower testosterone for example) and i think the answer is around 5-7 days based on stuff i have read around the nett, so my logic is keep the bulking going for longer than 7 days and keep the cut for no longer than 7 days so you dont give the body time to change into a catabolic envirement[/quote]
Hmm… this was the second hit when I googled: 2 Week Bulk 1 Week Cut Cycle Thoughts | Tiger Fitness - YouTube
You’ll notice in the video, the guy is 1) not from T-Nation 2) saying EXACTLY what most people on this site are saying.
I think that you may think this is a “new” idea. It’s not. I’ve probably seen 1-2 dozen of this exact thread over the years on this and other sites.
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
lol general attitude of T-Nation right there, either you agree with the norm or you fuck off [/quote]
Honest question: Why do you think you are part of the 1% and that your program will work despite not working for anyone else that you could find? Why wouldn’t you use a course that has demonstrated results?
[/quote]
well because the bulk and cut thing doesn’t work too well with me, sure i gain muscle and strength pretty fast when i am bulking, but when i cut i lose fat slow and once i have been going at it for 2 month + i stall and soon after lose strength. When i lose enough strength i quit my cut usually because i am so ashamed about being so weak after training so long.
so i look for alternatives and if this would work it would be the holy grail for me, but fuck, i guess not. goal fowards is just disegard bodyfat and get stronger to the point where i will still be strong after i lose strength during my next cut. but still, i might try it out, if i do i’ll report back but no matter what i will keep bulking trough summer and get atleast 120 kg bench press before i do anything else
What are your stats?
You weigh how much at what height?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What are your stats?
You weigh how much at what height?[/quote]
at this very moment, still building lost strength my cut these are my stats:
76 kg, 13% bodyfat, 100 kg bench press 3 reps, 105 kg squat 5 reps, 135 kg deadlift 12 reps 55 kg overhead press 8 reps, 100 kg bent over rows 5 reps with straps
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What are your stats?
You weigh how much at what height?[/quote]
at this very moment, still building lost strength my cut these are my stats:
76 kg, 13% bodyfat, 100 kg bench press 3 reps, 105 kg squat 5 reps, 135 kg deadlift 12 reps 55 kg overhead press 8 reps, 100 kg bent over rows 5 reps with straps[/quote]
How tall are you and how old are you?
You weigh less than 170lbs.
Without knowing where you are relative to your goals, how you’re training etc, etc, it’s difficult to comment intelligently.
However, IMO you would be further ahead to do some sort of IF protocol with BCAA’s 1-2 days per week and do a “clean bulk” or some such the rest of the time. Fasting once or twice a week is easy, flexible, and has numerous well documented health and body composition benefits.
Of course, it seems like you’ve already made up your mind, so I hope your experiment goes well.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What are your stats?
You weigh how much at what height?[/quote]
at this very moment, still building lost strength my cut these are my stats:
76 kg, 13% bodyfat, 100 kg bench press 3 reps, 105 kg squat 5 reps, 135 kg deadlift 12 reps 55 kg overhead press 8 reps, 100 kg bent over rows 5 reps with straps[/quote]
How tall are you and how old are you?
You weigh less than 170lbs. [/quote]
18 and 173 cm which is 5,8 and yes my morning weight in pounds is 167
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]buildsomemuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What are your stats?
You weigh how much at what height?[/quote]
at this very moment, still building lost strength my cut these are my stats:
76 kg, 13% bodyfat, 100 kg bench press 3 reps, 105 kg squat 5 reps, 135 kg deadlift 12 reps 55 kg overhead press 8 reps, 100 kg bent over rows 5 reps with straps[/quote]
How tall are you and how old are you?
You weigh less than 170lbs. [/quote]
18 and 173 cm which is 5,8 and yes my morning weight in pounds is 167
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Dude, you are a kid who thinks he knows all.
My advice, don’t waste time on something several people have already done and KNOW you will waste time on in the long run.
But hey…you’re a teenager…you know everything.
Qute getting so fat so the cutting isn’t as bad.