Losing Fat Without Losing Muscle?

I am 88kg with a reasonable amount of muscle ( i dont know my body fat percentage but my endo - meso - ecto rating is 5.5 - 7.5 - 1 )
However my body looks weird. I am not lean but my upper torso and arms are decently built and are not flabby. Most of my fat is concentrated on my waist which gives my body an hourglass shape due to the flaring out of my lats which tapers down till it reaches the bulge of my stomach and love handles.

For those who know about skinfolds, my highest fat concentrations are in my supraspinale and subscapular region.

How do i get rid of the fat in these areas without losing the muscle i’ve already gained?

You can’t spot reduce. Fat will come off with proper diet and training. Just take it slow and smart.

[quote]jnev wrote:
I am 88kg with a reasonable amount of muscle ( i dont know my body fat percentage but my endo - meso - ecto rating is 5.5 - 7.5 - 1 )
However my body looks weird. I am not lean but my upper torso and arms are decently built and are not flabby. Most of my fat is concentrated on my waist which gives my body an hourglass shape due to the flaring out of my lats which tapers down till it reaches the bulge of my stomach and love handles.

For those who know about skinfolds, my highest fat concentrations are in my supraspinale and subscapular region.

How do i get rid of the fat in these areas without losing the muscle i’ve already gained?

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Welcome to, well, everyone’s world! Most people who have excess fat have a higher concentration in the love handles. Try carb cycling or just drop your calories to a reasonable deficit to where you’re dropping about a lb. to a lb. and a half a week, and you’ll drop the fat without losing much–if any–muscle.

Spot reduction, as the poster above mentioned, just doesn’t work. Drop the fat and it will fly off the areas that are most concentrated, plain and simple.

Thata wheer all of my fat is at too, its annoying.

I think the general advise is well meaning, but the lack of a complete picture may cause you to flounder in the dark.

to pick out the highlights:

You cant spot reduce fat.

You cant lose any ‘weight’ unless you are in a calorie deficit.

Workout your exact calorie needs per day, then slowly decrease the calories by chunks of 100 or so, until you hit about 1/4 - 1/2 inch of navel waist loss per week.

Dont try and lose weight. try and lose fat.

losing weight includes muscle. Losing fat does not. Important difference in terminology.

if you can keep your weight the same and lose navel waist inches then you are on track for your muscle maintain, fat loss aims.

make sure you cut out carbs (except green fibrous carbs) at all times except post work out, and have a carb refeed meal or two every weekend.

If you dont have these crucial carbs at well timed intervals, then your muscles will deplete along with your fat stores.

Well, you can’t be best at both worlds. You can’t lose fat and not lose muscle EFFECTIVELY at the same time. It’s like scratching your ass while you’re in a 100m dash.

You see, weight loss is not selective. You will lose muscle and fat once you reduce your caloric intake. However, you can MINIMIZE muscle loss by doing a strength routine while you diet. It also helps if you eat less fat and more protein.

I’d also check out the physique clinics of those endo guys if I were you.

[quote]chutec wrote:
I think the general advise is well meaning, but the lack of a complete picture may cause you to flounder in the dark.

to pick out the highlights:

You cant spot reduce fat.

You cant lose any ‘weight’ unless you are in a calorie deficit.

Workout your exact calorie needs per day, then slowly decrease the calories by chunks of 100 or so, until you hit about 1/4 - 1/2 inch of navel waist loss per week.

Dont try and lose weight. try and lose fat.

losing weight includes muscle. Losing fat does not. Important difference in terminology.

if you can keep your weight the same and lose navel waist inches then you are on track for your muscle maintain, fat loss aims.

make sure you cut out carbs (except green fibrous carbs) at all times except post work out, and have a carb refeed meal or two every weekend.

If you dont have these crucial carbs at well timed intervals, then your muscles will deplete along with your fat stores.[/quote]
Last time I checked with the entire world you have to lose weight to lose fat

[quote]josias wrote:

Last time I checked with the entire world you have to lose weight to lose fat
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Ahh, a skinny smartass teenager! Your insight and experience with weight loss is too advanced for this forum to appreciate. Maybe the Men’s Health forums can keep up with your exceptional wit…

Ok! Jnev do a little search over the forum you’ll find a very interesting article… The Anabolic Diet, take a look I’m personnaly trying it by tommorrow you can built strenght and muscle and drop body fat on this diet take a look :wink:

your gonna have to start eATING like a bodybuilder and increase that cardio a bit. I mean theres no getting around it.

Yup, we all facing the same conundrum ey. Keep the weights as heavy as possible! Try and gain strength and your wont lose muscle! As everyone has mentioned, diet is the key…research, learn and find what is best for you. Personally, low carb with moderate carb ups is what seems to be working for me…but may not for you. You wont know until you learn your body.

GJ

[quote]josias wrote:

Last time I checked with the entire world you have to lose weight to lose fat
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You technically lose the weight of the fat, but my point is its possible for your weight not to go down whilst on a fat loss program.

I spent two months losing fat off my gut (about 1/2 inch per week) whilst keeping my weight at 200 pounds.

i.e i was putting on 1/4 - 1/2 pound of muscle per week at this stage.

so yes, it is possible to lose fat without losing weight.

numbnuts.

Hey guys thank you for the advice! It is really nice to see that people here are actually willing to help!

I am trying out a short 2 to 3 weeks trial programme i devised based on the stuff i’ve read and hopefully it’ll work, then i’ll load up some pics and more detailed information (diet log, training, etc…)

Chutec could u elaborate on your diet please?

And oh yes when i say lose weight, i mean losing fat mass not lean body mass

Cheers!

My diet at the moment is not for fat loss specifically, so ill summarize my previous diet.

every day:

7.30 - 2 whole eggs, 2 egg whites. + either an avacado(100g) or some cheese(30g) and lean meat(100g).

10.30, 1pm, 3pm = pre made box of meat and veg to be split over these three meals:

500g lean meat - turkey is best

  • 500g Green veg (broccoli or green beans usually)
  • coconut oil to cook.
    let it chill, add 1 table spoon olive oil and some goats cheese (100g) or an avacado(100g).

5pm - 200g salmon, 1 onion, tablespoon butter
(wrap all this in foil and bake)

7pm - 200g salmon, 1 onion, tablespoon butter

on work out days have a post workout shake (include a fast acting protein and carb) instead of the 5pm meal usually.

This usually totaled around 2600 cals.
my maintenance was 3300 during this diet. This meant wriggle room for 1 or maybe 2 tablespoons of peanut butter (no salt or palm oil or sugar) when i felt the urge to have a ‘treat’

most of the time it provided 250g of protein, less than 80g of carbs and the rest fat.

It was fat dominant, the oils and avacados really helped keep the food tasting good and the satisfaction feeling from the meal constant.

try eating this diet without the butter, oil and other good fats (nuts and peanut butter too) and you will crash and burn.

Not saying this diet was perfect, but it took me from 240 pounds to 196 in about 4 months.

more importantly it took me from a 38 inch navel waist to 33 inch. (and i went below 10% bf for the 1st time)

the key lessons are -
1)always advance prepare as much of the food as possible. (the more food you have to eat to stop it spoiling, the less cheat crap youll let yourself eat.)
2) for ease of preparation make 3+ meals the same recipe
3) use good fats to make the food palatable

as long as the food follows good common sense, then the specifics dont matter so much as the habits and behaviour.

Whoa cool good stuff. 38 to a 33 is pretty darn impressive!!!

Ok so thats my motivation Chutec!

And yes preparing food before hand is such a bitch, but i guess its what we gotta do!

Food prep can be hard, but just keep doing it over and over and eventually it’ll be an easy habit to follow and you won’t have to think twice about it.

Best of luck with your training.

Every sunday i make all my meals for the week.

i freeze thursday and friday and fridge mon-wed.

The process involves 2kg or turkey, 2kg of pork and 1kg of fish.
about 8 large packs of broccoli, and 8 packs of green beans.

I cook once a week, i wash up once a week (except for a fork and a plate daily!)

i have every calorie accounted for from sunday onwards. If i dont stick to what ive prepared the food goes off and i lose it.

makes it a hell of a lot easier to stick to the plan when you have got to eat the food !

my wonder recipe is:

2kg pork, about the same of broccoli. 1.5 cups of cashew nuts, garlic, herbs, soy sauce.

cook the pork in coconut oil. boil the broccoli (not to death). cook the cashews seperately in peanut oil. make sure that the food fries until the excess moisture has gone, then add it all together with some soy sauce and store.

Thanks for the encouragement and the recepie guys!
I usually make chicken fried rice. I boil some boneless chicken breast and season it with oyster sauce and dark soy sauce. After that dump in leftover rice (i’m asian) and pepper… Fry in a wok/pan with a teaspoon of margarine… good post workout meal!

I’m really scared as i diet cuz i dieted once in prep for a bodybuilding comp and ended up over doing it… i dropped out into another category… And had to back out…

Check the humongous “My Experience on the Anabolic Diet” thread.

  1. dont eat margarine - itll be loaded with trans fats - which are the ones you avoid. cook with coconut, peanut or macadamia nut oil, or failing those, butter.
  2. your gonna have to cut that rice out, especially on non work out days.
    if its a staple of your diet, make sure you always and preferably only have it in the 4 hour window after a workout.