[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
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Its not just your muscles that are contracting against a load, like in a squat.
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An all-out (and I mean ALL-OUT) effort is much more risky to joints, ligaments, supporting structures etc.
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At 16, your supporting structures and soft tissues are still developing and a MAX effort significantly raises the risk. All the more reason why lifters use a lot of protective gear when testing a max.
Go tell a high school football coach to ask his kids to max attempt every month. Even this guy’s coach only lets them attempt a 3rm as he stated.
I don;t know why this needs to be spelled out. If you want to break the national squat record at age 17, go right ahead and disregard what I just wrote because clearly you will need to test your max before/after sheiko.
For someone generally training for size and strength, routine maxing, specially at 16 is not a good idea.
As related to bodybuilding, a 1RM is never ever needed.
Will YOU definitely suffer from permanent damage by maxing frequently…who knows? you may or may not. This guy is just building up some size and strength for football, and probably train for aesthetics later on. I didn;t see anything about powerlifting competitively.
And there is a world of difference between age 16 and age 20 as related to development. Do what you please and use your head.
caselorance wrote:
good point guys ur right, he should not be routinely doing max strength workouts, but…
i dare ask why
he’s obviously already doing heavy weight, and i’m only 20, i was working out VERY nasty and continue to show up others with the same intensity I exhibited when i was 17
I think you all are just loosing sight of this, he’s a football player, high weight to him isn’t goin to hurt him, I mean it could but considering his condition
I say there’s nothing wrong with somebody doing the some max strength as a subtle periodization, obviously not for a month at a time, if you thought i was suggesting that you’re a down right idiot, I don’t think many people at all should be doing max strength workouts for months at a time
max strength is often encouraged for a day out of the week
I don’t see what your beef is, I think you’re just being a little outraged for no reason
perhaps I’m wrong but if you’re doing a three rep max as part of a test and you can do a one rep max
I really don’t see the problem with a 5x5 program for a day or even more
maybe even a 6x4
pleease if you try to defy my advice give me some good reasons
not just NOO NOT FOR A 16 year old
makes me wonder why you’re so against it, how old are you anyway
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Wow, thanks for reading my post
Where in it did you read read my test say “routinely MAX AT ALL OUT EFFORT”
I think you’re head is stuck on your own words and misinterpreting mine from the start
In case you don’t know, max strength is typically training anywhere between 85-95 percent of 1RM
what i suggested is to use a 5x5 approach to inhibit the golgi tendon
if you think that’s going to hurt him that’s why they act they way they do.
They prevent you from reaching your true strength potential. So, he would be stronger lifting heavier weight probably in accordance with that equation of wahtever he was lifting x7 if his golgi tendons were not preventing such.
Please don’t try to stuff words in my mouth and then persist in using them against my well thought out advice.
And when I stated Iwas lifting I also wrote that I was 17 in high school, actually since my birthday is late in the year May 26th I would have been doing the same liftin I’m talking about at the same time, I’m not saying that I was doing 5x5 at the time I wasn’t educated of that program. I find it extremely hard to believe that my body was incapable of doing a 5x5 program at the time, I think anybody with lean mass and well conditioned muscles are capable of doing a 5x5 program.
KEY WORD: CONDITIONED
I woldn’t not suggest a paper clip lifter at age 16 to start doing 5x5 or even test his max until he’d been lifting for a number of months, it’d be pointless and risky.
What I am saying is that this kid is no novice to heavy weight
Matter of fact he puts up more than me, granted my goals far different from his, I’m not looking for strength of my legs or gaining much mass at all for that matter, sport specific is my goal. perhaps you don’t understand that either.
I think age has little to do with it at this point, he’s nearly old enough to compete in amateur competitions, and why would they have high school weight lifting teams if they were so worried about kids hurting themselves. Injuries are injuries b/c they’re rare (relatively) and they are usually the result of ignored body signals that persist into an injury from overuse.
I would not suggest this kid to be doing something like a squat or deadlift max strength routine, rather start with something controlled, allow your muscles to recieve the stimuli required to adapt and then in 2 years start with someone that is versed in the style of lifting.
Does that make you happy, all cautious one.
I swear I’ve had some guys at the gym give me some really ridiculous advice on what not to do, when they found out I was a trainer they still insisted on me refraining form such activity. I think the idea behind injury is skewed, injury is the result of performing an improper execution of an exercise or overuse, often a combination of both.
Doing a 5x5 workout once a week ain’t gonna do shit to this kid, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?
that’s right you thought I said routine MAX on a regular basis. CHECK AGAIN
