1 x Week Vs 3 x Week Bodypart Training

Hi Peaople

Hope everyone had a good time over the new period.

My question is regarding training a muscle group once a week vs three times in a week.
Im a big fan of waterbury and a good chunk of his programs are full body training programs training each bodypart more than 1 x a week even up to 4 in QD.
How many of u guys have had success with training a muscle group more than 1 x a week.When i put on 20 kgs over one summer i trained with low volume 1 bodypart per week.Now im shifting toward training a bodypart more often.
Now i know everyone responds differently to training programs,but rarely do u see any actors or athletes (wrestlers ) train a bodypart more than once.Take ryan renolds from blade trinity,i heard from the man himself that he only trained a bodypart once every seven days and he put on a good 20-30 pounds in 6 months?.I know a enormous amount of progress is due to nutrition but the training would be just as important.
So have any of u guys got any more muscular or stronger since changing over to more bodypart training a week?

Peace
H

I am a pretty big beleiver in the higher frequency training instead of the once a week muscle obliteration that I used to do when I first started lifting. A lot of my friends up at school started lifting in the once a week obliteration style and they continue to train like that to this day, and show very small gains in the last year or so (as I was going through, and got tired of no gains, so I changed). I tried the higher frequency training and got stronger and put on a pretty good amount of muscle too! I totally suggest going with it, if it doesn’t work (it should, everyone needs to vary what they do), check/fix your diet and let us know what the progress is like!

HHH,

I discovered the tremendous benefits of training each bodypart more than once a week over ten years ago. The program I used was called “Serious Growth” (a later version was called “Big Beyond Belief”) and it essentially applied the Bulgarian method of strength training (they train the three Olympic lifts basically every day/multiple times a day) to bodybuilding.

I went from 195 to 230 pounds (admittedly with the addition of some body fat) over a 6 - 8 month period and my strength went through the roof.

I train each bodypart multiple times a week to this day. I still use that program although with much less volume (along with some other tweaks).

Chad is right on the mark. Increasing frequency of training worked wonders for me.

[quote]gdm wrote:
HHH,

I discovered the tremendous benefits of training each bodypart more than once a week over ten years ago. The program I used was called “Serious Growth” (a later version was called “Big Beyond Belief”) and it essentially applied the Bulgarian method of strength training (they train the three Olympic lifts basically every day/multiple times a day) to bodybuilding.
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HAHAHAH!! I remember that! That was Costa’s book that Phil Hernon plugged, right? Damn, I had completely forgotten about that. I loved that workout; I think the only reason why I stopped was me getting lazy off at college. And also trying that Mentzer crap of training a bodypart once every, like, 10 days.

[quote]gdm wrote:
HHH,

I discovered the tremendous benefits of training each bodypart more than once a week over ten years ago. The program I used was called “Serious Growth” (a later version was called “Big Beyond Belief”) and it essentially applied the Bulgarian method of strength training (they train the three Olympic lifts basically every day/multiple times a day) to bodybuilding.

I went from 195 to 230 pounds (admittedly with the addition of some body fat) over a 6 - 8 month period and my strength went through the roof.

I train each bodypart multiple times a week to this day. I still use that program although with much less volume (along with some other tweaks).

Chad is right on the mark. Increasing frequency of training worked wonders for me. [/quote]

gdm
Do you mind sharing some of your “tweaks”? How much did you decrease the volume? Thanks.

TBT is great, but tweak your program so that you aren’t deadlifting more than once/week…and don’t DL on days you are squatting.

Your back will have a hard time recovering. Read my suggestions to vroom on this thread.
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=538389

good luck
MAtt

Bulgarian Burst training! Those were great ads. I to tried it in college. Lifting 6 days a week for two hours was definitley hard core. It worked though, I got bigger and stronger. Not sure how much of that I can contribute to the program or just raging hormones of youth. Would be interested to hear how you tweaked it.

[quote]gdm wrote:
HHH,

I discovered the tremendous benefits of training each bodypart more than once a week over ten years ago. The program I used was called “Serious Growth” (a later version was called “Big Beyond Belief”) and it essentially applied the Bulgarian method of strength training (they train the three Olympic lifts basically every day/multiple times a day) to bodybuilding.

I went from 195 to 230 pounds (admittedly with the addition of some body fat) over a 6 - 8 month period and my strength went through the roof.

I train each bodypart multiple times a week to this day. I still use that program although with much less volume (along with some other tweaks).

Chad is right on the mark. Increasing frequency of training worked wonders for me. [/quote]

I was wondering if anyone else had heard of that program (Big Beyond Belief by Leo Costa/Tom Platz). Had great results while using it, but like someone else mentioned, I have a feeling that it was mainly because I was so new at lifting and just about anything would have worked.

I only stopped using it because I was getting a little burned out. I came across Poliquin’s stuff in Muscle Media 2000 and started doing his stuff instead.

I think I’ll give some of CW’s routine’s a try before too long. From what Ive read, everything makes good sense and sounds like it would work, but I’m afraid the large increase in frequency would result in a much greater chance of injury - either repetitive stress type injuries, or muscle strains resulting from not giving the muscle enough time to recover/rebuild.

For a beginner, I imagine those type of injuries wouldn’t be as much of an issue since smaller weights would be used. But when your 6 rep max for bench, rows, deadlifts, squats etc is between 300 to 400lbs+, I really feel like you need more than just one full day of rest before training that muscle group again.

For now (and for the past couple of years), what has worked best for me is training each muscle once every 3 to 4 days, alternating heavier and lighter workouts.

As a recap, the original Serious Growth workout requires you to workout 6 days a week doing Chest/Back/Bis/Calves on Day 1 (A day) and Shldrs/Tris/Thighs/Abs on Day 2 (B day): A-B-A-B-A-B = 6 days. 5 sets per exercise per bodypart/alternating exercises throughout the week (so three different exercises per bodypart per week) with changing rest periods also (varying from 90 seconds to 3 minutes over the course of the program). Eventually, you are doing some bodyparts 6 days a week/5 sets a session. Also, everything is supposed to be to failure. Workouts are limited to 45 minutes. The next program in the series, Big Beyond Belief, used the same basic theory but the number of sets were reduced to 3 per exercise to begin with and the volume was generally reduced across the board in later weeks.

It may seem like a large volume of work, but it worked for me at the time, especially transitioning from a traditional bodybuilding split where I was doing 12 - 15 sets per bodypart already. The workouts were actually easier to do than this split.

After my bodyweight and strength went up dramatically from this program over a period of 6 months or so, I had to cut down the volume since my recovery ability did not increase proportionately with the strength increases I made (a phenomenon Arthur Jones pointed out).

These are the tweaks I made to that program that I use today and that continue to work extremely well:

(1) I train the following “major” bodyparts up to five - six days a week(Chest/Back,posterior chain/Legs - quad dominant).

(2) Other bodyparts are trained on alternating days, resulting in them being trained up to three days a week. (Shoulders/Tris/Bis on one day - Abs/Calves/Hams the next day)

(3) I usually don’t do more than 3 sets per major bodyparts, and usually 2 sets for other bodyparts.

(4) I perform direct hamstring work. The original program did not provide for this and I felt this was a mistake even given the indirect effects from performing various squats and posterior chain exercises.

(5) I don’t go to absolute failure on each set. Depending on the rep sequence for a particular day (major/minor muscle groups): (3x3/2x3, 3x6-8/2x6-8, 3x10-12) I make sure to pick a weight that allows me to complete all the sets/reps in that range where only the last set is close or to failure. I use lower reps than the original program because I agree with Ian King’s assessment that the more mature lifter should be using heavier weights, in general.

(6) Rest periods still vary as prescribed in the original program although in a slightly different manner: I need more rest after a set of 10-12 versus sets of three. Thus, Chad’s conclusion of taking shorter rests (say 60 seconds) for the heavier weights works fine. I generally rest 2 to 2.5 minutes for the higher rep ranges

(7) Another unique twist I added was to use different rep ranges in a particular workout for each muscle group trained. For example, chest: 3x3, back:3x6-8, legs:3x10-12, shoulders:2x10-12, triceps:2x3,
biceps:2x6-8.

(8) I still change parameters every three weeks but only in subtle ways with the performance of the excercise: grip change, 10 degree elevation change on bench excercises, etc.

I welcome any comments or other observations (including from the man himself: CHAD). The program and the parameters have worked fantastically well for me. At 36 years old and 230 pounds, I’m still squatting and deadlifting for 10-12 reps with 405. Louie Simmons won’t be prostrating himself in front of me with those numbers, but hey, we aren’t all Westside material:)