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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
We might have discussed this before, there were several threads about it recently… But could your elbow pain come from back-squatting?

This is also a possibility, I squat with my pinky on the rings, I don’t know that is close enough to cause problems though.

would be nice if I had a ssb and could just use that for the next few weeks to be safe.[/quote]

Even if it were not close enough, if the bar slips a bit on your back then that might be enough… Have you explained how your elbow feels to some advanced PLers in detail? I’ve never had elbow pain from squatting so I wouldn’t know what it feels like…
What did MM say?

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My shoulders are hurting from just the idea of squatting with my pinkies on the rings.

Is it this shoulder problem the same one that you had from before?

584

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
My elbows only started to hurt with the advent of smith machine triceps and db rear delt flys. I’ll be dropping these for sure for the next few weeks…[/quote]

BINGO !!

maybe you’re one of those Smith machine non-responders…haha . seriously though , I’d kick that right to the curb

if you can find it ,

http://shopping.yahoo.com/s:Pain%20Relief:4168-Brand=Heet;_ylc=X3oDMTEwMzRwMnAxBF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawNzc2VhcmNo

this shit is great for warming up a muscle/joint PRE work-out . but it’s no subsitute for common sense rehab though.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
My shoulders are hurting from just the idea of squatting with my pinkies on the rings.

Is it this shoulder problem the same one that you had from before?[/quote]

this time it’s the elbows. I squat with an oly stance, and it feels wierd with my hands out farther.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

What did MM say?[/quote]

idk, I still have to pm him

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[quote]marlboroman wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
My elbows only started to hurt with the advent of smith machine triceps and db rear delt flys. I’ll be dropping these for sure for the next few weeks…

BINGO !!

maybe you’re one of those Smith machine non-responders…haha . seriously though , I’d kick that right to the curb

if you can find it ,

http://shopping.yahoo.com/s:Pain%20Relief:4168-Brand=Heet;_ylc=X3oDMTEwMzRwMnAxBF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawNzc2VhcmNo

this shit is great for warming up a muscle/joint PRE work-out . but it’s no subsitute for common sense rehab though.

[/quote]

I’ll see if I can afford some next pay check.

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[quote]marlboroman wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
My elbows only started to hurt with the advent of smith machine triceps and db rear delt flys. I’ll be dropping these for sure for the next few weeks…

BINGO !!

maybe you’re one of those Smith machine non-responders…haha . seriously though , I’d kick that right to the curb

if you can find it ,

http://shopping.yahoo.com/s:Pain%20Relief:4168-Brand=Heet;_ylc=X3oDMTEwMzRwMnAxBF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawNzc2VhcmNo

this shit is great for warming up a muscle/joint PRE work-out . but it’s no subsitute for common sense rehab though.

[/quote]

What smith exercises aggravated your elbows and how exactly did you perform them?

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
My shoulders are hurting from just the idea of squatting with my pinkies on the rings.

Is it this shoulder problem the same one that you had from before?

this time it’s the elbows. I squat with an oly stance, and it feels wierd with my hands out farther.[/quote]

but you’re biceps aren’t hurting?

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
marlboroman wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
My elbows only started to hurt with the advent of smith machine triceps and db rear delt flys. I’ll be dropping these for sure for the next few weeks…

BINGO !!

maybe you’re one of those Smith machine non-responders…haha . seriously though , I’d kick that right to the curb

if you can find it ,

http://shopping.yahoo.com/s:Pain%20Relief:4168-Brand=Heet;_ylc=X3oDMTEwMzRwMnAxBF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawNzc2VhcmNo

this shit is great for warming up a muscle/joint PRE work-out . but it’s no subsitute for common sense rehab though.

What smith exercises aggravated your elbows and how exactly did you perform them? [/quote]

I’m thinking it was the reverse grip bench presses. ass off the bench, shoulder width grip to the safeties about an inch off my chest.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
My shoulders are hurting from just the idea of squatting with my pinkies on the rings.

Is it this shoulder problem the same one that you had from before?

this time it’s the elbows. I squat with an oly stance, and it feels wierd with my hands out farther.

but you’re biceps aren’t hurting?[/quote]

not really, my left tricep aches if I put it in the right position though.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
marlboroman wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
My elbows only started to hurt with the advent of smith machine triceps and db rear delt flys. I’ll be dropping these for sure for the next few weeks…

BINGO !!

maybe you’re one of those Smith machine non-responders…haha . seriously though , I’d kick that right to the curb

if you can find it ,

http://shopping.yahoo.com/s:Pain%20Relief:4168-Brand=Heet;_ylc=X3oDMTEwMzRwMnAxBF9TAzk2NjMyOTA3BHNlYwNmZWVkBHNsawNzc2VhcmNo

this shit is great for warming up a muscle/joint PRE work-out . but it’s no subsitute for common sense rehab though.

What smith exercises aggravated your elbows and how exactly did you perform them?

I’m thinking it was the reverse grip bench presses. ass off the bench, shoulder width grip to the safeties about an inch off my chest.[/quote]

Figured as much. We say “use a very wide grip” (and don’t necessarily lock out, but that’s just my opinion) for a reason.
Safeties? You pussy :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

2.30 or later. Once your elbow has healed up and should you decide to give this exercise another go, do it that way or don’t do it at all…
Otherwise it’s like squatting with the knees out in front of you.

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Oh, and make sure you get the grip right (not using all fingers for a death grip… It’s more of a thumb, index and maybe middle finger kinda grip… I have no sound on this pc and thus don’t know if Jason explains that in the vid… Just check it out anyway.

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good to know CC

I will be switching DL ME excercises after 3 weeks. I failed miserably this week. I feel like I wasted a growth session.

platform deads with chains
135+chainsx5
225+chainsx3
315+chainsx1
365+chainsx2

Weak. I’ll regular DL next week, and figure out where I’m weakest now. I’ll probably either do low block pulls or RDLs

good mornings
135x8
155x5

suitcase deads(each arm)
135x10
185x5

pefectsquat machine (just testing it out)
2 plates per sidex10
3 plates per sidex10

suprised here, i could really feel my quads, and it felt like a DL for some reason. I might do these for leg drive.

DB rows (will be doing these strapless from now on)
100x15 each arm, then grip slipped

Cable rows
did slow negatives, I heard it helps tendonitis via PM.

shrugs
225x10
275x10
295x10

no arms today, elbow was iffy

595

serious lack of videos in this thread.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
good to know CC

I will be switching DL ME excercises after 3 weeks. I failed miserably this week. I feel like I wasted a growth session.

platform deads with chains
135+chainsx5
225+chainsx3
315+chainsx1
365+chainsx2

Weak. I’ll regular DL next week, and figure out where I’m weakest now. I’ll probably either do low block pulls or RDLs

good mornings
135x8
155x5

suitcase deads(each arm)
135x10
185x5

pefectsquat machine (just testing it out)
2 plates per sidex10
3 plates per sidex10

suprised here, i could really feel my quads, and it felt like a DL for some reason. I might do these for leg drive.

DB rows (will be doing these strapless from now on)
100x15 each arm, then grip slipped

Cable rows
did slow negatives, I heard it helps tendonitis via PM.
[/quote] ? Do you have tendonitis in your lats or what? That one’s new to me, care to elaborate? [quote]
shrugs
225x10
275x10
295x10

no arms today, elbow was iffy[/quote]

Once you get back to working them, do some more Pinwheel/Hammer work maybe… Might help. If you don’t want to spend too much time on bicep/forearms: Alt. DB curls (hola bola style), ramp up the weight over 3 sets and then do a 4th, slightly heavier set but as Hammer curls (also hb style).

Been doing that for a while now and I really like it… I think I’ll keep doing that and nothing else for bis/forearm health if I decide to make a little foray into powerlifting. HB style curling allows for easy progression (heavier weights used than with the classic style) and you can pretty much do them strict with no real disadvantage.

Anyway… How about some light pushdowns for high reps ? Feel pain there? Helps to get the blood flowing in the right places.

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
serious lack of videos in this thread.[/quote]

soon, very soon. I believe my lifting partners will be back by next week.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
good to know CC

I will be switching DL ME excercises after 3 weeks. I failed miserably this week. I feel like I wasted a growth session.

platform deads with chains
135+chainsx5
225+chainsx3
315+chainsx1
365+chainsx2

Weak. I’ll regular DL next week, and figure out where I’m weakest now. I’ll probably either do low block pulls or RDLs

good mornings
135x8
155x5

suitcase deads(each arm)
135x10
185x5

pefectsquat machine (just testing it out)
2 plates per sidex10
3 plates per sidex10

suprised here, i could really feel my quads, and it felt like a DL for some reason. I might do these for leg drive.

DB rows (will be doing these strapless from now on)
100x15 each arm, then grip slipped

Cable rows
did slow negatives, I heard it helps tendonitis via PM.
? Do you have tendonitis in your lats or what? That one’s new to me, care to elaborate?
shrugs
225x10
275x10
295x10

no arms today, elbow was iffy

Once you get back to working them, do some more Pinwheel/Hammer work maybe… Might help. If you don’t want to spend too much time on bicep/forearms: Alt. DB curls (hola bola style), ramp up the weight over 3 sets and then do a 4th, slightly heavier set but as Hammer curls (also hb style).

Been doing that for a while now and I really like it… I think I’ll keep doing that and nothing else for bis/forearm health if I decide to make a little foray into powerlifting. HB style curling allows for easy progression (heavier weights used than with the classic style) and you can pretty much do them strict with no real disadvantage.

Anyway… How about some light pushdowns for high reps ? Feel pain there? Helps to get the blood flowing in the right places.[/quote]

No tendonitis with the lats but I think I can get a good stretch in the elbow rowing like that. actually curling would have been painful. I’ll be doing light tricep work and shoulder work tomorow.

I will deffinately check out that arm stuff when I can get back on track.

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so are you sticking with Westside ?

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[quote]marlboroman wrote:
so are you sticking with Westside ?[/quote]

I haven’t really been doing the template, It is similar. But also very different. I will probably keep going like this for a while. I may make a foray into BB style training for a while after my meets are over. I’m skinny fat, and I hate it.

In other news, I finally got my boards, and I can start doing 10-12" box squats.

Question for anyone reading… Do you think I should try some board work for reps tomorrow(re/rehab), so I can learn the groove a bit, and go heavy next time I bench?

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I had to do what the str/cond class was doing instead of gym class one day, and I had to flat bench. Didn’t really hurt my elbows very much.