By the way, jskrabac, I take it since the website you posted for this thread is your friends blog… that you are in fact the same jskrabac that wrote the foreword for the book that was just posted on the site. This one: http://thetheoryoffatloss.blogspot.com/p/foreword.html. How cool is that that you wrote a foreword for a book? Is that book really that good? I don’t know much about that guy. I might have to get a copy.
My biggest issue with people making comments is when they have to ask why i do it. They dont get that i lift because i enjoy it, i enjoy seeing my body transform and building it into the image i want. I do it because i like being the biggest, best looking guy 99% of the places i go. But it seems like everyone thinks its ridiculous if im not trying to compete or doing it to help improve at a sport or something.
And i hate people who think i eat too much or my diet sucks. I even know a guy who was a former amateur bodybuilder who tried telling me that milk is bad for me and im gonna get fat and unhealthy because i drink so much, and that i put on weight “too fast” (mind you im only 9% bf at 6’3, 243 lbs)
[quote]edwardhuntington wrote:
Overweight, out of shape, and weak people have no business jumping. Injury risk is through the roof. I’ve met 100x more people who get hurt following P90X than have success stories. Do you know how many foot contacts are recommended for a beginner’s or an elite athlete’s plyo workout? Do you know how many foot contacts are performed in the P90X “plyo” workout? It blows both of them away to levels of ridiculousness. Do you know what the recommendations are for how much external loading somebody can handle relative to that person’s body weight before starting any kind of jumping? My guess is 99% of all people should not touch that DVD with a 15 foot pole.
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^^6’1" and 185lbs @ 17%BF… pretty experienced in the gym/training department?
so you know at least 100 people who have gotten hurt following P90X and not one single person who has seen results without getting injured?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]edwardhuntington wrote:
Overweight, out of shape, and weak people have no business jumping. Injury risk is through the roof. I’ve met 100x more people who get hurt following P90X than have success stories. Do you know how many foot contacts are recommended for a beginner’s or an elite athlete’s plyo workout? Do you know how many foot contacts are performed in the P90X “plyo” workout? It blows both of them away to levels of ridiculousness. Do you know what the recommendations are for how much external loading somebody can handle relative to that person’s body weight before starting any kind of jumping? My guess is 99% of all people should not touch that DVD with a 15 foot pole.
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^^6’1" and 185lbs @ 17%BF… pretty experienced in the gym/training department?
so you know at least 100 people who have gotten hurt following P90X and not one single person who has seen results without getting injured?[/quote]
Hahahah. Alright. You called me out. I don’t know 100 people. It’s about 15-0 right now in favor of injury or quitting. Also, my only goal when I started training was to dunk a basketball, and I did that. I never had a body fat percentage goal. Maybe that will be the next thing I do. I am already down from 205 a year ago. Lots of trap-bar deadlifting.
I get this shit all the time too. It’s gotten more rare since I’ve gotten bigger, but people still give me hell for passing up donuts in favor of some cashews. And you can imagine all the approving looks I get when I do shots of olive oil. The most useful thing I have for shutting people up is listening to their diet “advice” and then eyeballing them up and down and saying “Yeah… glad that’s working for you.” That shuts them right up.
Also, Deb: God DAMN. If I ever meet you in real life, you’re going to get bite marks on your ass that will last a week.
[quote]edwardhuntington wrote:
Hahahah. Alright. You called me out. I don’t know 100 people. It’s about 15-0 right now in favor of injury or quitting. Also, my only goal when I started training was to dunk a basketball, and I did that. I never had a body fat percentage goal. Maybe that will be the next thing I do. I am already down from 205 a year ago. Lots of trap-bar deadlifting.[/quote]
I only know one person who’s done P90X (my brother), and it really helped him get back into shape. He dropped about 20lbs and went from being able to do 1 pullup to being able to do 15+ while on the program.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You can’t seriously tell me no one has benefited from a Jillian Micahael’s workout. If she sucked that bad people wouldn’t waste their money. [/quote]
O RLY?
People have never been known to waste their money on things marketed well. Nope not once.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You can’t seriously tell me no one has benefited from a Jillian Micahael’s workout. If she sucked that bad people wouldn’t waste their money. [/quote]
O RLY?[/quote]
You mean they wouldn’t waste their money by letting her train them in the hopes of winning a million dollars? Or whatever the prize for that show. Yeah that’s right, she’s such a shitty trainer she has to pay people to let her train them.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]edwardhuntington wrote:
Hahahah. Alright. You called me out. I don’t know 100 people. It’s about 15-0 right now in favor of injury or quitting. Also, my only goal when I started training was to dunk a basketball, and I did that. I never had a body fat percentage goal. Maybe that will be the next thing I do. I am already down from 205 a year ago. Lots of trap-bar deadlifting.[/quote]
I only know one person who’s done P90X (my brother), and it really helped him get back into shape. He dropped about 20lbs and went from being able to do 1 pullup to being able to do 15+ while on the program.[/quote]
I know two that have finished - myself and a guy I play sports with - but I do know more that quit. I dropped 15 lbs and went from being able to do 0 chin-ups to 5. I wasn’t a fatty fat (I wouldn’t recommend it for the seriously overweight either) when I did this last year, I just had a little bit of useless weight that was slowing me down. I think though that if I did any kind of circuit training 6 days a week (while eating well) I would have dropped the weight - P90x wasn’t a magic pill or anything. It just gave me a set of exercises to follow.
I’m not one of those people who will preach that it is be all and end all of workout programs. It’s not. It was just a stepping stone for me - the completely inexperienced lifter.
What I don’t get are the people who do the program over and over and over. I was starting to get bored out of my mind by 3 months. Now that I have found the wealth of information that is here on T-Nation I’m never looking back - lifting heavy (on my 3rd cycle of 5/3/1 right now) is where it’s at for me.
On topic - I’m very grateful to have friends and family that are pretty supportive of me even if they aren’t as excited to talk about lifting as I am.
[quote]LastStand wrote:
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]edwardhuntington wrote:
Hahahah. Alright. You called me out. I don’t know 100 people. It’s about 15-0 right now in favor of injury or quitting. Also, my only goal when I started training was to dunk a basketball, and I did that. I never had a body fat percentage goal. Maybe that will be the next thing I do. I am already down from 205 a year ago. Lots of trap-bar deadlifting.[/quote]
I only know one person who’s done P90X (my brother), and it really helped him get back into shape. He dropped about 20lbs and went from being able to do 1 pullup to being able to do 15+ while on the program.[/quote]
I know two that have finished - myself and a guy I play sports with - but I do know more that quit. I dropped 15 lbs and went from being able to do 0 chin-ups to 5. I wasn’t a fatty fat (I wouldn’t recommend it for the seriously overweight either) when I did this last year, I just had a little bit of useless weight that was slowing me down. I think though that if I did any kind of circuit training 6 days a week (while eating well) I would have dropped the weight - P90x wasn’t a magic pill or anything. It just gave me a set of exercises to follow.
I’m not one of those people who will preach that it is be all and end all of workout programs. It’s not. It was just a stepping stone for me - the completely inexperienced lifter.
What I don’t get are the people who do the program over and over and over. I was starting to get bored out of my mind by 3 months. Now that I have found the wealth of information that is here on T-Nation I’m never looking back - lifting heavy (on my 3rd cycle of 5/3/1 right now) is where it’s at for me.
On topic - I’m very grateful to have friends and family that are pretty supportive of me even if they aren’t as excited to talk about lifting as I am.[/quote]
I don’t get that either. It’s not like P90X helps anybody put on muscle mass or get stronger (unless they are terribly weak in the first place). There’s no good way to progress with that thing.
[quote]edwardhuntington wrote:
I don’t get that either. It’s not like P90X helps anybody put on muscle mass or get stronger (unless they are terribly weak in the first place). There’s no good way to progress with that thing.[/quote]
What’s so hard to understand about a program that’s essentially cardio? You burn calories and lose weight. Most people aren’t on the program to get huge, because, unlike most of us on this site, that’s not their goal. Your don’t really progress in cardio unless you’re training for an event, in which case you wouldn’t be doing P90X.
I feel like you’re ranting for the sake of ranting. A program’s effectiveness is based on the user’s goals.
Just like P90X isn’t good for putting on a lot of muscle, 5/3/1 isn’t a program designed to boost your cardiovascular health.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
What’s so hard to understand about a program that’s essentially cardio? You burn calories and lose weight. [/quote]
From all the commercials I’ve seen it’s not really marketed that way. It gives the impression of being something that will help you with all the dimensions of fitness, including putting on a little size and strength.
Add more sprints, make the sprints longer, decrease rest interval, change the training surface (sand, uphill, etc.)…did you really just say that? Or did you mean something else?
I’d love to see Tony Horton and Jimmy Wendler face off in a round of prowler pushes, or hill sprints. I think we all know who would come out on top. Just saying, p90x is peanuts compared to 5/3/1 coupled with solid conditioning.
but anywayyyyy…to get back to the subject of my OP (don’t know how/why this became a debate on the effectiveness of p90x) I can honestly say that my family is the worst. The worst part is that my oldest sister is a personal trainer and a physical therapist…yet the first time I dropped to low body fat in my life SHE’S the one who alerted the rest of my family that she was worried I was becoming anorexic. Even though she’s a trainer, who is unsuccessfully trying to take off some belly fat herself, she hasn’t once asked me about how I did it. Instead, she just refuses to believe me when I tell her I was only training 3x/week and still eating more than her, since she’s already convinced herself I’m anorexic (so I must be training non-stop throughout the week and starving myself, right?) Oh, she also tells me squats and deadlifts are bad for my knees and back.
It’s funny, because it confuses the hell out of my mom every time I’m back in town for a visit. The last time I visited I was down about 25 lbs from the previous visit, and this next time I will be up 20 lbs from that visit. Just as she’s wrapped her mind around the fact that her son is “anorexic” now she will have to suddenly revert back to telling me I’m eating too much. Too much for the old lady to take I guess =/
Initially I got bad feedback from most family, but these days they’re almost entirely supportive.
I get a good amount of people who are all “Omg that’s so gross you’re too big and bumpy” when they see posing pics and stuff, but I don’t think I’ve EVER gotten a negative response IRL, in person, as to my physique.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Initially I got bad feedback from most family, but these days they’re almost entirely supportive.
I get a good amount of people who are all “Omg that’s so gross you’re too big and bumpy” when they see posing pics and stuff, but I don’t think I’ve EVER gotten a negative response IRL, in person, as to my physique. [/quote]
Ha! I’d be happy to be as big and bumpy as you are.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Initially I got bad feedback from most family, but these days they’re almost entirely supportive.
I get a good amount of people who are all “Omg that’s so gross you’re too big and bumpy” when they see posing pics and stuff, but I don’t think I’ve EVER gotten a negative response IRL, in person, as to my physique. [/quote]
Ha! I’d be happy to be as big and bumpy as you are. [/quote]
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I love it when People at work or school seeing you eat so clean…and then look at what they’re eating…It’s like they get instantly insecure. Sometimes that drives people to make fun of you to hide their own insecurity.
It’s a big game with the people in my office to see if they can get me to eat something not on my meal plan. Honestly I’m so used to saying no it doesn’t even bother me when they try to get me to eat crap anymore. The one thing that annoys me is the “live a little” comment they use when i won’t eat something though. Like why do i need to eat a donut to “live a little”?
H4M you need new avi with the new ink bc it looks 10x better
The one thing about work that pisses me off is group lunches I can’t go to because of diet. I’m fucking ostracized because I choose a healthy lifestyle, it’s so damn backwards. NO I DONT WANT APPLE PIE AT A 10AM STAFF MEETING.
The worst, which I haven’t seen here, is the “you’re so lucky” comment. It can be applied many ways – I hear “you’re so lucky you can eat so much and not gain weight”
Right, I’m lucky I just happen to like pork tenderloin and broccoli. And it’s weird how I keep tripping and falling into the gym and lifting heavy weights several times a week. So lucky!