Another great thread for building the ignore list.
Houstan Texan, go take your classes,have fun.
that’s what it is about right?
Find a nice combination of strength training and a few short sessions of conditioning.
you can probably do them at the same time with out making it too complicated
as a recreational hobbyist, you can keep it simple, do what you like in the weight room
until it or your classes start to impact your recovery.
A program as basic as WSFSBIII or 531 and some conditioning work tacked on the end , via complexes or HIIT
and you’d be fine.
have fun.
DO you have a full-time job?..go to school?..etc? Basically,do you have the means/funds to eat right(and plenty!) and the time to recover from a workout like Rich Franklin’s? And remember,that is without even factoring in however many mma/bjj/etc classes you will be doing a week.
You have to find balance:
recreational MMA classes(couple a week) = being able to have a high volume of conditioning/lifting workouts.
Pendulum swings towards more MMA classes = not being able to have a high volume of conditioning/lifting workouts.
Remember that having a lower volume of workouts doesn’t have to equal lower intensity.
Don’t get to wrapped up in finding the perfect workouts right now. Especially refrain from emulating or reading too much into workouts of the pros. Stick to what we discussed…give yourself a week or two of doing what you are doing on top of the MMA classes. Then assess how you feel…and take it from there with finding good balance for working out outside of class. Don’t overwhelm yourself with this.
Build yourself up a little at a time…your body will thank you. You’re only 19. Learn what you can in technique…develop a great base/skill-set. That is if you are aspiring to actually fight/compete. If not…follow kmnyc’s advice and just learn and have fun.
Thanks big boss. I go to school at Sam Houston and I will start working at the writing center there in the fall of this year but until then I won’t have a job but I have a meal plan at the school but I eat breakfast at my apartment.
[quote]Houston Texan wrote:
Thanks big boss. I go to school at Sam Houston and I will start working at the writing center there in the fall of this year but until then I won’t have a job but I have a meal plan at the school but I eat breakfast at my apartment.[/quote]
Good deal. Keep us posted on how your training goes and how you feel after your first couple of weeks at Death Row.
Would doing something similar to that for circuit training be overkill?[/quote]
i would keep doing what you’re doing (to quote Rampage) and continue with classes…
i think the Rcih Franklin workout worked for him, but it isn’t challenging form a strnght perspective, or from an endurance perspective. kind of a half-ass version of two things…
honestly, the Couture circuit is good stuff. check ouit all the article on complexes on this site…
This is coming from a competitive lifting background so I’ve been kinda able to put it on the backburner but I’ve been boxing 3 days a week. Whats worked best for me is lifting 3 days a week on the days I’m not fighting.
I just do a real basic legs tuesday, chest thursday, back saturday split. I hit each workout hard with about 20-30 sets over a variety of rep ranges in 45 minutes of lifting or so. That includes all accessory work on that day too. I try and warm up and cool down with some running. I’m not sure if the cardio element of boxing is different than mma but I really think roadwork is underrated. Until you can run (and I mean run like <7 min) 2-3 miles at a time, I wouldn’t worry about making things complicated with conditioning. Once you’ve built a solid base go ahead and bring in the other elements.
A typical back workout would go
1/2 mile run at a fast pace and long strides
calistenics/dynamic stretching/light static stretching/activation
5 sets of bent barbell rows in the 3-8 rep range working up to a very heavy triple
4 sets of chinups bw to near failure
4 sets of seated rows (8-12 rep range)
3x10 bent flies
3x10 lateral raises
2-4 sets of what ever ab work I’m feeling like
1 mile run trying to stay relatively out of breath
long static stretch
It would probably be ideal to split the running out to a different time of the day, if time wasn’t an issue.
Anyway its something to consider if you wanna keep things simple in the weight room.
It’s what I used to use in highschool when I was in season for sports and right now I’m not quite sure why I stopped doing it. Legs (well thighs anyway) are a strong point for me. If your upper body naturally grows more/takes longer to recover you could consider two leg days and one combined upper or just a 2 day a week program.
The idea is to make sure your lifting program is simple and relatively short and doesn’t leave you tired or sore (on top of mma soreness). If you are when you train skills you’ll get sloppy and you don’t learn as fast. Same goes for your conditioning. Again don’t write off road work just because its not in vogue.
a school can even be less then ideal as long as you bring commitment and have good partners. A beginner NEEDS a class.
Don’t overdo yourself, the franklin workout is insane and on top of his usual and more important workout.
Your Martial Art comes first, weight training later, and pure conditioning is a bonus in the first weeks, perhaps even months of your traing (assuming your a total neewbie)
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
I like to sneak up on big.boss, kick him in the shins, giggle and run away.
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he might pop trunk though.[/quote]
Thug-jitsu FTW.[/quote]
I thought the pop trunk technique was from the Glock-Jitsu school?
OP: Wendler’s 5/3/1 2 days a week template would do you good. Make sure to eat tons, go to you classes, and get your running and skipping in. Get hella big and kick everyone in the dick!
I guess you are part of our association now that you are Relson Gracie affiliate. Chris Spicer, pro MMA fighter, used to train there at Deathrow MMA when he went to school there. Here is a fight of his against Travis Lutter black belt Paul Halme, they even say Deathrow MMA when they introduce him.
[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
I agree with what most people have said. Get overall bigger and stronger and take a TMA first. Master it - I’m talking 6 years minimum then start looking into a complimentary martial art if you want to go into MMA. The reality is fighting is like gymnastics you really have to start young if you truly want to be good at it.
The University of Central Florida has an MMA club and they asked me to help instruct them because taking a bunch of inexperienced fighters doing whatever the fuck they want does not equal skilled MMA. Taking two or three experts and learning from them does. If you look at any of the professional MMA they have specific training in one style that they’ve done for years then typically train a bit less in another style then do strength training and very last thing is doing actual combination of their styles.[/quote]
I totally disagree. I teach BJJ, Grappling and MMA classes at an MMA gym. Our striking coaches are a national Muay Thai champion and an ex Olympic boxer (boxed for Cuba). We have pure grappling, pure BJJ, pure Muay Thai and pure boxing classes along with MMA classes where we work on putting the aspects together. There are pro Boxers and pro Muay Thai fighters that train with us alowing people to get really good sparring.
Spending 6 years learning TKD or JKD or whatever is not going to do anything to make you a better MMA fighter. Learning from the start how the different aspects go together ensures that you don’t pick up what will be bad habbits if you ever want to compete in MMA.
All of the above said, I agree with the rest that there is no reason why you shouldn’t be doing a basic 3 day a week ‘athlete’ style weights routine to put on size and strength. Your actual classes at the MMA gym will pretty quickly let you see areas that you are weak and should focus on.
For conditioning , train your aerobic system alot, doesnt have to be LSD, i continous bagwork, shadowboxing, jumprope and whatnot. 60min-120 min a session. Get a HR monitor.
Take your time learning technique and put the ego aside, ie dont worry about getting tapped, tapping someone, knocking someone out etc. Go slow and focus on learning.
[quote]drewh wrote:
how is everyone some muay thai champ[/quote]
Lol same reason I’m a powerlifting champ. I may not be that strong, but it’s a small sport and as said there’s a lot of federations. You don’t have to be that good when the competition which is small to begin with is spread thin.
Not only are there multiple MT feds but practitioners are also spread out to kickboxing and to a lesser extent savate and san da. Not to mention the hundred other martial arts there are out there.
