He has been training for 15 years and looks great. He does no cardio. His eating habits are (a) when bulking, eat when you aren’t full, (b) when cutting, eat only when hungry.
It looks like his early years he used a split, did powerlifting style stuff from 16-18, was a big/fat strong guy and then dialied in the diet (used the AD now does unlimited eggs/meat/veg/fruit/cottage cheese, etc.) and uses a Waterbury template.
He does a supersetted compound workout. He doesn’t go to failure.
His note about how different he looks pumped vs. relaxed as being a difference between assisted and natties is interesting. It’s also interesting that he weighs in the 200 lb range at 6’1"-- he is at 4% bodyfat. Someone who is lifetime natural has a totally different set of attainable goals than the beasts you see splashed around the internet and muscle mags. He also notes that most of the top natural bb-ers are in the 170-ish range for contest. People who don’t acknowledge that being 230-240 lbs in ripped condition without drugs is nearly impossible (except for the less than 1% of the genetic elite of the elite).
Anyways, just do what works for you. I have trained both ways and think both can work, although for a natural trainee I think a 4-5 way split is a waste of effort and there are much better ways of doing things.
[quote]Kanada wrote:
currently, tbt feels like the best, most effective way to train. and i accept your challenge, i will post videos in the near future
prof x, in my above post, i stated that i did not eat, supplement, or train right. therefore i blame me for burnin out[/quote]
You realise this is what you first said? -
“for me, splits stagnate my growth, i just can’t hit one body part a day hard enough and recover. splits burn me out.”
I had some good growth w/ the 20 rep squat program. Sorry I didn’t log it or anything, but over 2-3 months I increased poundages and put on a good amount of size, gained 10ish pounds of muscle +/- 2 lbs, there was about 10 lbs of fat with that, but went on a massive cut after to drop them lbs. Went from doing incline DB press w/ 50’s for 12 to 65’s for 12, increased my overhead press poundages, squat of course went up, legs got looking REAL good compared to what they were.
Anyways, I know it’s not scientific or super mind-blowing, so hopefully it’s believable, but anyways just wanted to share one persons experience on a TBT routine.
Nick
PS- I still know that this proves X’s point that no one on TBT programs has posted scientific/logged results, even though I’m on DC now and have a logbook, lol
I do a combination of different forms of TBT and Upper/Lower splits throughout the year, so far I’ve gained over 60 lbs. without increases in bodyfat.
Although this dude presented his post in a weird way, I agree with the volume/recovery comment:
[quote]bmar22 wrote:
this thread is almost as stupid as people discussing it (ok its moer stupid).
but its all relative and dependant on your volume and recovery.
more volume=longer recovery. less volume=faster recovery. You can gain a hell of alot of mass on splits and you can gain a hell of alot of mass on TBT.
JUST EAT!! just work the muscle when its done recovering. since splits take longer to recover, you have a 5 day split or 4 day or w/e. and since TBT has low volume recovery is faster thats why you can lift every other day ect ect.
It doesnt really matter you can and should do both. its not that hard. /rant[/quote]
At the end it really comes down to how MUCH effort you are putting in the gym AND in the KITCHEN, your overall goals and how much time you have to dedicate to them. There’s waaay too many dudes that complain about not growing because of their splits or their TBT’s etc. but in reality they are lifting like pussies, are too worry about keeping the CNS happy, or if they’re Ectomorphs, Mesomorph, etc. and are afraid to make the necessary adjustments with their nutrition to really see any results.
TBT always worked well for me. It’s one of those programs that I try to work in maybe twice a year just as a change of pace when I get tired of doing splits, or when I’m very short on time.