[quote]howie424 wrote:
Here is my workout protocol
500 AM - 2 scoops Mag10
520-530 AM - 1 scoops MD, 1/4 cup Cream of Rice, 1 tbsp PB
600 AM - start sipping 2 scoops SWF
730 AM - finish 2 scoops SWF
900 AM - 2 scoops MAG-10
Works wonders for me. The recovery is awesome and I am able to train everyday with this protocol. I pulse 2 more times after this, and then hit another scoop of SWF for either a conditioning session or a BJJ session, followed by a large meal consisting of lots of veggies, meat, and fat.[/quote]
Happy to hear your positive results.
I do think once someone is consuming more supplements than real food, the diet has really gone in the wrong direction. I have been guilty of this before and it took hiring a coach to put me back in the right direction. Results have been much better since. Just food for thought.[/quote]
I am seeing great results but this definitely is not a long-term diet. I am currently training for a BJJ tournament and I am training twice a day, running a business, and working 2 other part time jobs. The convenience is great. I will have all Winter as an off-season where diet will return to normal, as will training (and work will have slowed down).
[quote]optheta wrote:
Dam i was hoping somebody would post there insulin protocol haha.[/quote]
Ok here ya go, I tried insulin once recently, part of it involved 10u of Novolin R about 45 mins preworkout. My workout drink consisted of about 75g of protein, roughly 112g of carbs, and some creatine and I would sip it through my 2.5-3 hr workout fest. Would have preferred some aminos in there but I used what I had. It makes you feel a bit sluggish as though your aerobic metabolism never quite kicks in but it gives you the most sick-nasty pump you will ever have.
I still make a similar drink just in a smaller proportion. I feel like having insulin, exogenous or not, is a benefit during your training as it is quite anti-catabolic.
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Why novolog over humalog if I may ask? Novolog R peaks in 2.5-5 hours and acts for 4-12hours iirc while humalog would be 1-3 hrs peak 3-5hrs duration
Mine was Novolin-R, it peaks at roughly the 2 hour mark and is in your system for 4 hours. It is my understanding that the listed active life is a bit longer than reality, in fact I think the fastest which is humalog is in and out of your system within 2-3 hours.
I took this one because that was what I had, it is available w/o prescription virtually anywhere and the faster acting ones I believe require one. DISCLAIMER INSULIN IS DANGEROUS AND SHOULD NOT BE USED BY NON DIABETICS UNLESS YOU ARE BRAZEN AND DON’T MIND RISKING BECOMING FAT, INSULIN INSENSITIVE, OR DEAD
Ahem, I actually endeavored to overlapped my early doses so that I could have an active peak for about 2 hours around the beginning of my workout. 2 consecutive doses would last 8 hours roughly while overlapping would last 6 hours with a prolonged peak. (I tried to make a picture but it didnt show up right, imagine 2 consecutive triangles vs a trapezoidal shape as the graph of blood levels.)
From what I understand the faster acting humalog(novolog generic) is better for preworkout, and longer acting humalin(novolin generic) is better during other parts of the day whilst you are actually eating. Those are actually the two shortest acting ones available, the ones that last longer than a handful of hours probably aren’t the best idea for BB purposes; there are actually alot of different types but you probably won’t be exposed to them unless you have the beetus. I am by no means an expert or reliable source of information on this.
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
Mine was Novolin-R, it peaks at roughly the 2 hour mark and is in your system for 4 hours. It is my understanding that the listed active life is a bit longer than reality, in fact I think the fastest which is humalog is in and out of your system within 2-3 hours.
I took this one because that was what I had, it is available w/o prescription virtually anywhere and the faster acting ones I believe require one. DISCLAIMER INSULIN IS DANGEROUS AND SHOULD NOT BE USED BY NON DIABETICS UNLESS YOU ARE BRAZEN AND DON’T MIND RISKING BECOMING FAT, INSULIN INSENSITIVE, OR DEAD
Ahem, I actually endeavored to overlapped my early doses so that I could have an active peak for about 2 hours around the beginning of my workout. 2 consecutive doses would last 8 hours roughly while overlapping would last 6 hours with a prolonged peak. (I tried to make a picture but it didnt show up right, imagine 2 consecutive triangles vs a trapezoidal shape as the graph of blood levels.)
From what I understand the faster acting humalog(novolog generic) is better for preworkout, and longer acting humalin(novolin generic) is better during other parts of the day whilst you are actually eating. Those are actually the two shortest acting ones available, the ones that last longer than a handful of hours probably aren’t the best idea for BB purposes; there are actually alot of different types but you probably won’t be exposed to them unless you have the beetus. I am by no means an expert or reliable source of information on this.[/quote]
[quote]Waittz wrote:
I beleive difference in composition change you will see from peri workout nutrition is a slimming of cash and a growth of spending. [/quote]
^Agreed. I feel great with meat, rice/potato and a piece of fruit a while before training, Gatorade during training, and a healthy meal of meat, rice/potato and veggies after. I make protein shake if I’m being lazy but all that supplement usage is a waste in my eyes. What happens when you stop buying $250-500 worth of crap every month?
[quote]Waittz wrote:
I beleive difference in composition change you will see from peri workout nutrition is a slimming of cash and a growth of spending. [/quote]
Nothing beats whole food[/quote]
…and coffee.
Black.
[quote]crazyj23 wrote:
^Agreed. I feel great with meat, rice/potato and a piece of fruit a while before training, Gatorade during training, and a healthy meal of meat, rice/potato and veggies after. I make protein shake if I’m being lazy but all that supplement usage is a waste in my eyes. What happens when you stop buying $250-500 worth of crap every month?[/quote]
Your grocery bill goes up?
2 scoops SWF + 2 scoops Mag-10 is around $3. I don’t think I can get 20g quality fast digesting lean protein and 75g carbs for $3, let alone convenience.
[quote]crazyj23 wrote:
^Agreed. I feel great with meat, rice/potato and a piece of fruit a while before training, Gatorade during training, and a healthy meal of meat, rice/potato and veggies after. I make protein shake if I’m being lazy but all that supplement usage is a waste in my eyes. What happens when you stop buying $250-500 worth of crap every month?[/quote]
Your grocery bill goes up?
2 scoops SWF + 2 scoops MAG-10 is around $3. I don’t think I can get 20g quality fast digesting lean protein and 75g carbs for $3, let alone convenience.[/quote]
must be a huge tax on rice and eggs where you live. Maybe your local cereal economy has been hit by inflation. Chicken and tuna shortage? Irish potato famine? Swine flu outbreak?
[quote]crazyj23 wrote:
^Agreed. I feel great with meat, rice/potato and a piece of fruit a while before training, Gatorade during training, and a healthy meal of meat, rice/potato and veggies after. I make protein shake if I’m being lazy but all that supplement usage is a waste in my eyes. What happens when you stop buying $250-500 worth of crap every month?[/quote]
Your grocery bill goes up?
2 scoops SWF + 2 scoops MAG-10 is around $3. I don’t think I can get 20g quality fast digesting lean protein and 75g carbs for $3, let alone convenience.[/quote]
must be a huge tax on rice and eggs where you live. Maybe your local cereal economy has been hit by inflation. Chicken and tuna shortage? Irish potato famine? Swine flu outbreak? [/quote]
Without MAG-10 my grocery bill just goes up. Either I drink a pulse of MAG-10 or consume a pound of steak at $4-5 a pound.
Whole food rocks but after several years of pounding my face with food I just got tired of certain things. Now I can eat as much or as little whole foods as my appetite can handle, and am guaranteed recovery with the MAG-10. Just my 2 cents I guess.
I will never stop using SWF, but MAG-10 I will definitely have a break from once winter comes.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
I beleive difference in composition change you will see from peri workout nutrition is a slimming of cash and a growth of spending. [/quote]
Nothing beats whole food[/quote]
Yikes who is giving out this misinformation? Peri-workout is one of the most important windows to get nutrients into your muscle and should have the universally accepted importance as the postworkout window.
Sure whole food is great, but thats what you tell a skinny scrub who is asking what protein brand he needs to get the hyoogest. Peri workout drinks are great because you can put fast acting carbs in it, and insulin is good because it shuttles nutrients to the working muscle and is anticatabolic. This is of particular important for BB splits with high volume because they can catabolize non-working tissues.
I have spied one or two swole dudes munching on bowls of some oatmeal concoction during their workouts so there is probably something to that but I would rather have something had has minimal absorption/digestion time.
It doesnt have to be expensive, cheap whey and table sugar is what I do and believe me it makes a difference.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
I beleive difference in composition change you will see from peri workout nutrition is a slimming of cash and a growth of spending. [/quote]
Nothing beats whole food[/quote]
Yikes who is giving out this misinformation? Peri-workout is one of the most important windows to get nutrients into your muscle and should have the universally accepted importance as the postworkout window.
Sure whole food is great, but thats what you tell a skinny scrub who is asking what protein brand he needs to get the hyoogest. Peri workout drinks are great because you can put fast acting carbs in it, and insulin is good because it shuttles nutrients to the working muscle and is anticatabolic. This is of particular important for BB splits with high volume because they can catabolize non-working tissues.
I have spied one or two swole dudes munching on bowls of some oatmeal concoction during their workouts so there is probably something to that but I would rather have something had has minimal absorption/digestion time.
It doesnt have to be expensive, cheap whey and table sugar is what I do and believe me it makes a difference.[/quote]
Ok broscience. Sans PEDs that workout “window” is more like a barn door. You take care of your food and nutrients overall and your progress will be fantastic. Now for advandamced. Ie been training for 5-6+ years consistently and gains have come to a crawl and diet has been on point and tweaked to the person then focusing on Periworkout will be good. Up to that point I don’t buy it for a second. I’m no genetic freak, I’m normal at best and have made my best gains training fasted with insanely high volume
[quote]crazyj23 wrote:
^Agreed. I feel great with meat, rice/potato and a piece of fruit a while before training, Gatorade during training, and a healthy meal of meat, rice/potato and veggies after. I make protein shake if I’m being lazy but all that supplement usage is a waste in my eyes. What happens when you stop buying $250-500 worth of crap every month?[/quote]
Your grocery bill goes up?
2 scoops SWF + 2 scoops MAG-10 is around $3. I don’t think I can get 20g quality fast digesting lean protein and 75g carbs for $3, let alone convenience.[/quote]
must be a huge tax on rice and eggs where you live. Maybe your local cereal economy has been hit by inflation. Chicken and tuna shortage? Irish potato famine? Swine flu outbreak? [/quote]
Last time I checked, a carton of egg whites was almost $3, which is 50g protein, so lets say $1.50 for protein. Add in some rice, you’re at about $2. Maybe a little cheaper, but the convenience factor wins, IMO.
[quote]crazyj23 wrote:
^Agreed. I feel great with meat, rice/potato and a piece of fruit a while before training, Gatorade during training, and a healthy meal of meat, rice/potato and veggies after. I make protein shake if I’m being lazy but all that supplement usage is a waste in my eyes. What happens when you stop buying $250-500 worth of crap every month?[/quote]
Your grocery bill goes up?
2 scoops SWF + 2 scoops MAG-10 is around $3. I don’t think I can get 20g quality fast digesting lean protein and 75g carbs for $3, let alone convenience.[/quote]
must be a huge tax on rice and eggs where you live. Maybe your local cereal economy has been hit by inflation. Chicken and tuna shortage? Irish potato famine? Swine flu outbreak? [/quote]
Last time I checked, a carton of egg whites was almost $3, which is 50g protein, so lets say $1.50 for protein. Add in some rice, you’re at about $2. Maybe a little cheaper, but the convenience factor wins, IMO.
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Please show me how much rice you are eating for a dollar. 1lb dry? I get 25lbs of basmati for less than 20$ You can also use whole eggs (gasp)
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[…] been training for 5-6+ years consistently and gains have come to a crawl […]
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Just to clarify, unless I post in the beginner forum or something specifically about beginners, this is the audience I’m addressing.
And there was nothing broscience about what I said. Don’t believe me? Any reputable trainer, including many of the ones on this site whose word is taken for gospel, have some input about how important this is.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[…] been training for 5-6+ years consistently and gains have come to a crawl […]
[/quote]
Just to clarify, unless I post in the beginner forum or something specifically about beginners, this is the audience I’m addressing.
And there was nothing broscience about what I said. Don’t believe me? Any reputable trainer, including many of the ones on this site whose word is taken for gospel, have some input about how important this is.
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I’m merely stating the research I’ve seen and my personal experience. And that audience is quite small and many here don’t fit it. Many are beginner to intermediate. I’ve been very happy with my progress sans amazing Periworkout. Again the window is not as small as everyone wants to think. It’s more like 24-48hrs
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[…] been training for 5-6+ years consistently and gains have come to a crawl […]
[/quote]
Just to clarify, unless I post in the beginner forum or something specifically about beginners, this is the audience I’m addressing.
And there was nothing broscience about what I said. Don’t believe me? Any reputable trainer, including many of the ones on this site whose word is taken for gospel, have some input about how important this is.
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I’m merely stating the research I’ve seen and my personal experience. And that audience is quite small and many here don’t fit it. Many are beginner to intermediate. I’ve been very happy with my progress sans amazing Periworkout. Again the window is not as small as everyone wants to think. It’s more like 24-48hrs[/quote]
Just to clarify my position… I’ve found the ‘amazing Periworkout’ is great for recovery between sets of a given workout. Being able to push harder, for longer, during a given workout session. It’s a very noticeable difference. Enough that I suggest to give it a shot and see for yourself.
From a research standpoint, take a look at both Peptopro (a casein, hydrolized into di and tri peptides) and Vitargo (a modern low-osmolality carb), and how they’re being used in the sports nutrition world, including among Olympic athletes. The combination of a low-osmolality carb source and predigested protein/aminos basically enables immediate absorption upon ingestion, without sitting around in the stomach or intestines, waiting to be digested. The protein/aminos/peptides are delivered as needed, along with the associated insulin spike from the carbs (and protein).
As far as how that plays out over time in the bodybuilding/physique world, that’s speculation at best on my part. I would imagine that being able to do more in a given session, every session, would play out to greater gains over time.
