Yep type 2, especially 2b would do very well on EDT since type 2b need to have adrenalin high to feel good
CRASHED dopamine will do that. But if your levels are naturally low it will means that your receptors are more sensitive… so you will not have symptoms of low dopamine like those who had crashed dopamine, the increased receptor sensitivity compensating for that. But when you produce more dopamine in response to some stimuli it also means that you respond more strongly to it and it reinforced these behaviors
I would never recommend GVT for cortisol control.
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Hi Christian,
I was wondering if you had any other tips for type 3’s beyond training. Like living optiminally. Do you think caffeine is a good thing for this type?
CT
Do you have any recommendations for modifying the Type 1 training guidelines for those who are more interested in performance on the track (100m) vs strength/hypertrophy in the weight room?
Thanks
I’m sure people might have their own opinions, but… really this neuro typing can be helpful for constructing optimal programs and making general lifestyle choices. Even if CT says “such and such type may react best to caffeine,” those are just guidelines.
That being said, caffeine is known to increase cortisol, something which Type 3s already have an excess of naturally. Type 3s are also more predisposed to performing high volume due to their high cortisol. I would think that, of the three “neuro types,” a Type 3 might benefit most from eliminating caffeine. But again, your “neuro type” is not going to dictate everything. While it may suggest that you might benefit from eliminating caffeine, at the end of the day all you can really do is test it out for yourself and see how you best perform.
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Quick question.
If I am Neuro type 1A, and am a natural athlete.
Can I benefit or see faster results from doing 2 workouts a day?
Since these are quick 30-45 min sessions, what is your opinion on doubling down on a workout? Also, what would something like that look like if it was a possibility?
Doesn’t this defeat the purpose of the article though? If it is all see what works best for you?
I love CT and the article is indeed quite interesting I just think many of the criticisms are quite valid.
To me, the series is more about general approaches to programming and overall diet that people are more predisposed to likely succeed with (mostly because they will be more likely to consistently perform said approaches). Much less so is the article about specific substances and how individuals will react to or perform with said substances.
By no means do I defeat the purpose of the articles by saying use of caffeine is best left to the individual to experiment with. Caffeine use is simple to experiment with on your own (see how you perform with it, without it, and at various dosages). To experiment with all the various permutations of programming and dieting would take years. The articles help give general direction for people who may not have that experience yet.
Exactly. My whole purpose is to help people better understand how they function, not to feed them exactly what to do.
Of course when I give the seminar, it is 12 hours of info. The material presented in the articles is really just an introduction.
Yes, the only way 1A can do more volume is doing more sessions, And they are those who do the best on two daily sessions . BUT be really careful. Two sessions of 45 minutes will likely be too much. We are talking maybe one session lasting 35-40 minutes and one lasting 25-30 minutes (not including warm-up).
Validation from CT?? Check one off the iron game bucket list
CT how do lifetsyle factors & stimulants impact neurotyping.
For example, winning streak (in business, love, health etc.) = positive spiral loop and makes people naturally more dominant/confident type 1.
Vs. losing at life and becoming opposite of “alpha male”.
Similarly, ephedrine & brain candy for instance makes me feel invincible & social butterfly, increases extraversion. I haven’t done “hardcore” drugs but I"m sure ectascy, cocaine etc. or even neotropics like modafinil signifncalty impacts the “neuro”/personality
Whereas if i eat a few big meals throughout day, I dont feel nearly as type 1 any more.
People’s personalities change over time & even throughout day given mood. This makes things very contextual…
And training itself impacts neurotyping. WHen i first started lifting I was more “type 3” style, following bodybuilding style, etc. Then I drank your kool aid for the last decade and now basically only do 3-5 reps on the main movmenets, explosive etc.
Chicken/egg issue here…
For realsies, any thoughts? I feel like this would have an impact. The neurotyping concept seems solid to me and I’d like to use it for future training, but this factor is holding me up.
I just want to say thank you CT for this. I’m a Type 1-B and I’ve always been attracted and done what you describe, it’s crazy… I’ve always been affraid to go too low carb because I cared about performance first, but I’ve been following your nutrition guidelines the past two week and my little love love handles have finally disappeared, I’m the leanest I’ve ever been and in some time, “ripped”. But this is also the easiest diet I’ve ever done! And performance is up! This week I’ve done a lifetime big PR on floor press and sumo deadlift, which I haven’t practiced in months. And I’ve lost 10kg of fat these last months… Thank you!
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Coach Thibaudeau,
Loved your neurotyping series. I just did Day 4 on the Type 1B, but during the workout, I couldn’t stay within the percentage zone designated for parts B, C, and D after I hit the 3RM. Could I have picked the wrong type?
I really liked Day 1, 2, and 3 and felt like Type 1 described me the best, but a little of Type 2 did as well. I noticed at the end of part 5 in your series it says that you should do Type 2A if you feel like your mixed between type 1 and 2, but I felt like I was much more Type 1 than Type 2. I didn’t want to post the Braverman scores, but I based my type on that as well.
Also, when you said that Type 1 would respond to accumulation/intensification style phase changes, does that correspond to your recommendations of 4-6 reps for muscle and 1-3 reps for strength or a more “traditional” change noted by you in the past (ex. your Thibaudeau’s Top 7 Tips article) with accumulation being higher reps (6+)?
Thank you for the clarification!
CT I want to start off by saying thank you for all you do man and this is unequivocally one of the most intellectual and meaningful articles I have read in a long time. It really ties a lot of things together and I think it is only the beginning and start of something great.
My question is, what if you are Acetylcholine Dominant (ala Braverman) but you feel heavier lifts in joints (ala type 3)? By the way I trained all throughout my younger years with a strength and conditioning coach (doing oly lifts and variations as well as played football at a top 5 school in college (Division 1) where we also did alot of olympic lifting/variations. I somewhat know what I am doing in terms of form etc.
No matter where I was in my lifting though once we got to the lower rep ranges around 5 I would always get pain in my joints and they would be sore. Whether it was bench, squat, cleans, etc.
I do have some joint laxity as well, and the stretch reflex is the only way I can lift heavy. I was always more explosive than pure strength. I also do feel tension sometimes in my shoulders and neck when under heavy stress.
I can do slower bodybuilding style workouts feeling the muscle etc, which I have grown significantly on in the past. The only problem is I am a type 1 or 2 and those bore the hell out of me. Reading the descriptions I know I am definitely a type 1 or 2.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
May I remind everyone that: 1) the Braverman test has been removed from discussion via CT. Your results, as derived from that test, are suspect, at best. And, 2) before you place yourself into any specific type, and draw conclusions off of it, why not wait for CT’s test which includes other neurotransmitters not covered by Braverman, and only available through a licensed psychologist?
Thank you for your response, but I think you missed my point a little. It may have been from my wording, but I think you’ve drawn some wrong conclusions. I’ll remind you of what CT said in this thread earlier:
“The Braverman CAN be used. BUT it is actually 100% incorrect in two regards. But if you understand where it’s incorrect it can actually be useful.”
This statement right here basically dismisses your point. Based on his statement, one may think: “well if only I know what two things are wrong with the Braverman, so I can use it because I don’t have access to CT’s personal test or the TCI.” Although, CT fixes this problem a few lines later in the same reply:
“With the Braverman, if you are “dopamine dominant” (high dopamine score) the Braverman would say that you have HIGH dopamine, whereas in reality you have LOW dopamine but are hypersensitive to it.”
“Same with serotonine… a high serotonin score on the Braverman = low serotonine.”
“The GABA and Acetylcholine scores are correct.”
So based on these statements, it seems like the Braverman can be helpful in figuring out your type, especially since the GABA and ACh scores are correct. This could help you determine whether you are Type 1A or 1B, or Type 2A or 2B. The only real issue here is NE for Type 2, but I would suspect that if you feel like you are definitely a Type 2 then the Braverman could help you determine if you are either Type 2A or Type 2B based on your GABA score (Highest score 50, so maybe High > 25, Low < 25). This could be said also if you are a Type 1, except using the ACh score to differentiate between Type 1A and Type 1B.
So you could extrapolate the Braverman Test and say:
High Dopa = actually Low Dopa = possible Type 1
High 5-HT = actually Low 5-HT = possible Type 3
ACh use for determining either Type 1A or Type 1B
GABA use for determining either Type 2A or Type 2B
As for Type 2, read the articles and see if it fits.
I could be completely wrong here, but I was just trying to draw conclusions off of the information given. Plus, there are a bunch of people who have asked CT straight up what their training type was based on their Braverman score, and he has given recommendations based on those scores. So you could just ballpark your Braverman score off of those answers.
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I don’t extrapolate anything, it has been measured (actual neurotransmitter levels) …
But you are correct for most. But you need the adrenalin score to know if you are type 1 or 2.
BTW YES a high Braverman dopa score means low dopamine… but the most important point is that their dopamine receptors are VERY sensitive