[quote]christine wrote:
yorik wrote:
It’s a shame that a site like this has both the valuable information that the fat bastards need to improve themselves, and also a bunch of bodybuilding assholes who love to bash fat people and hence chase them away.
Go figure. You find bodybuilding assholes on a bodybuilding website in the bodybuilding forum.
You say bodybuilding like it’s a bad thing.
No one who sincerely asks for help ever gets chased away.[/quote]
You must get hit on at parties.
[quote]chutec wrote:
I actually had one of them tell me losing weight was simple…just eat fewer calories than you expend.
this was so rife with fault that i didnt dig into it.
She is my boss, and everyone in the room will forever think what she says is fact because im not going to jeaprodise my job by trying to school her.
[/quote]
I hate to break it to you but what she told you is correct.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
chutec wrote:
I actually had one of them tell me losing weight was simple…just eat fewer calories than you expend.
this was so rife with fault that i didnt dig into it.
She is my boss, and everyone in the room will forever think what she says is fact because im not going to jeaprodise my job by trying to school her.
I hate to break it to you but what she told you is correct.
[/quote]
Please dont be that guy. of course the statement is correct.
but in the context of the FAT LOSS …LONG TERM - its full of holes.
and its not that she is wrong, its that she makes something she has yet to achieve sound so simple.
If it was that easy why wasnt she saving her own life?
anyway, she actualy…actually went on to say that you could have mars bars for your daily calories and as long as it they totalled no more calories than your expenditure you would lose weight.
of course you would.
But the question is what kind of weight, and do you have the willpower to not succumb to the energy rollarcoaster and resultant binge eating of other refined sugary foods?
Id also agree that this is no place for a defence of obesity, or a defence of the feelings of those with obesity.
If this thread scares off potential fat losers, then they arent ready yet.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
yorik wrote:
I never said body building was a bad thing and never even implied it. That’s YOUR interpretation; why would you think that?
Fortunately for those who can put up with it, the fat bashers are a pretty small minority here.
Who’s going to even ask for help when they read debates over whether fat people are lazy and undisciplined or not?
Well, it’s not important anyway.
Bullshit argument. Someone HUGELY obese likely IS lazy and undisciplined the majority of the time (possibly also contributed by a psychological dependency). Yes, we could think up some outlandish reasons why someone would responsibly let themselves weigh over 350-400lbs…like someone force fed them at gunpoint…for every two meals they eat, their starving kids get half of one…their legs don’t work and they have been trapped in a Hostess bakery for years unable to stop the confections from falling haphazardly down their throat…or perhaps they actually do work 20 hours a day at a desk job at KFC.
All of those are GOOD reasons. However, I am willing to bet that most of the people THAT large didn’t get that way from hard work and discipline.
That isn’t fat bashing. Fat bashing would be degrading ANYONE who is slightly overweight. I think we have made a distinction many times over in this thread. That is simply reality.
Barring a true medical disorder, extreme obesity isn’t really something that deserves that much sympathy. I would gladly listen to your explanation why this isn’t the case.[/quote]
Well some places in the south where a lot of your community is extremely obese and you have been forced to eat shit your whole life from your parents odds are you will develop very bad eating habits. I’ve never been that fat, but at a point you must feel extreme depression. When this happens, and you start to eat more to feel better it will become pretty hard to lose the weight without help from others. Yet when everyone else is the same, it becomes pretty hard I would imagine.
Basically, genetics just put you further up or down the road you have to travel to get to where your idea of a perfect physique is at. It’s still a road you need to travel, which requires hard work, dedication, a clear vision of your goals and willpower.
I don’t mind people who are fat that totally accept it, and have no issues with them being fat. If it’s a conscious choice. However, let’s face it, a lot of fat people have severe issues with their weight, and claim that they so badly want to lose it. Well, barring any sort of genetic disorder/illness that prevents fat loss, if you’re fat, and you claim you want to lose it, but you aren’t, you simply don’t want it hard enough, and you need to look in the mirror for the person to blame. You lack the will, dedication and strength of mind to do the change. It’s all you. And if you claim you want something MANY OTHERS have been able to achieve before you… then maybe you don’t really want it that much, you just want it handed to you for free on a silver platter, and people with that sort of attitude deserve to be fat in my opinion.
The thing I respect about bodybuilders is I know they put a lot of effort into achieving their results, and those same principles you use to achieve those results you can put to work in other aspects of your life to become a highly successful person.
When I grew up I was a FB, because my Mother was/is a wackjob hypochondriac who thought I was “way too skinny”, and basically dumped (according to other family members) enough Butter, Whipped Creme and Sour Creme to kill an elephant in my diet. As I grew up I got a lot of success in different aspects of my life, but I found out that I didn’t want to look like I did, and that my outside, or rather the work I’ve done on my outside looks, reflects who I am on the inside. I wanted it to show that I’m a determined success person who has clear goals that I fulfill. So instead of blaming my mom for a crappy childhood diet and use that as an excuse for staying fat, I changed it.
You are who you want to be.
[quote]-Prodigy- wrote:
You are who you want to be.[/quote]
Well your somewhat of a success case, not everyone is always so lucky. Some people could have weaker minds and become depressed and just continue to eat out of it. You could just say,‘well maybe you need to be more mentally tough’ well not everyone is the same, some people are more prone to addiction, depression, anxiety ext. Now people outside like many people in this thread just make fun of them, and don’t really help encourage them to lose weight this just adds to their depression. In this case, which is the case for a lot of very obese people, you need medical help.
[quote]shizen wrote:
-Prodigy- wrote:
You are who you want to be.
Well your somewhat of a success case, not everyone is always so lucky. Some people could have weaker minds and become depressed and just continue to eat out of it. You could just say,‘well maybe you need to be more mentally tough’ well not everyone is the same, some people are more prone to addiction, depression, anxiety ext. Now people outside like many people in this thread just make fun of them, and don’t really help encourage them to lose weight this just adds to their depression. In this case, which is the case for a lot of very obese people, you need medical help. [/quote]
I don’t make fun of them, I’m just simply saying the majority doesn’t want it as much as they claim to.
In my opinion, you can’t really claim to reasonably want something unless you make steps towards achieving that goal. Willpower and determination are also qualities that you can improve on yourself. As you said some people have less and more of it, and can be more prone to bad habits. But as with a good/bad upbringing, or good/bad genetics, it simply puts you further up or down the road you need to travel. The road is still there and the goal is always reachable.
[quote]shizen wrote:
Professor X wrote:
yorik wrote:
I never said body building was a bad thing and never even implied it. That’s YOUR interpretation; why would you think that?
Fortunately for those who can put up with it, the fat bashers are a pretty small minority here.
Who’s going to even ask for help when they read debates over whether fat people are lazy and undisciplined or not?
Well, it’s not important anyway.
Bullshit argument. Someone HUGELY obese likely IS lazy and undisciplined the majority of the time (possibly also contributed by a psychological dependency). Yes, we could think up some outlandish reasons why someone would responsibly let themselves weigh over 350-400lbs…like someone force fed them at gunpoint…for every two meals they eat, their starving kids get half of one…their legs don’t work and they have been trapped in a Hostess bakery for years unable to stop the confections from falling haphazardly down their throat…or perhaps they actually do work 20 hours a day at a desk job at KFC.
All of those are GOOD reasons. However, I am willing to bet that most of the people THAT large didn’t get that way from hard work and discipline.
That isn’t fat bashing. Fat bashing would be degrading ANYONE who is slightly overweight. I think we have made a distinction many times over in this thread. That is simply reality.
Barring a true medical disorder, extreme obesity isn’t really something that deserves that much sympathy. I would gladly listen to your explanation why this isn’t the case.
Well some places in the south where a lot of your community is extremely obese and you have been forced to eat shit your whole life from your parents odds are you will develop very bad eating habits. I’ve never been that fat, but at a point you must feel extreme depression. When this happens, and you start to eat more to feel better it will become pretty hard to lose the weight without help from others. Yet when everyone else is the same, it becomes pretty hard I would imagine. [/quote]
LOL. I live in the South. I grew up in The South. It isn’t that damn different than The North except for backwoods parts of Alabama and Louisiana. Guess what…we don’t even ride horses to school…except on Tuesdays.
You are blaming obesity on someone’s learned habits…habits that can be unlearned if the desire is there. Contrary to what you may believe, people in The South aren’t that damned uneducated compared to people everywhere else. Hell, we even have the interweb and color tv’s.
[quote]-Prodigy- wrote:
I don’t make fun of them, I’m just simply saying the majority doesn’t want it as much as they claim to.
[/quote]
I have to agree with this. When I am asked for advice and start talking about hard work, diet and consistency, you can see the look disappointment in some peoples eyes. They are looking for a quick fix and think I have some sort of secret.
I think its partly because they believe all the infomercials saying how quickly they can get that hot bod if they buy whatever product being sold.
[quote]christine wrote:
I have to agree with this. When I am asked for advice and start talking about hard work, diet and consistency, you can see the look disappointment in some peoples eyes. They are looking for a quick fix and think I have some sort of secret.
I think its partly because they believe all the infomercials saying how quickly they can get that hot bod if they buy whatever product being sold.[/quote]
ain’t that the truth…yesterday i was informed by an overweight woman (my boss) that men prefer soft round women vs. those who look like me…
[quote]lil_azn wrote:
christine wrote:
I have to agree with this. When I am asked for advice and start talking about hard work, diet and consistency, you can see the look disappointment in some peoples eyes. They are looking for a quick fix and think I have some sort of secret.
I think its partly because they believe all the infomercials saying how quickly they can get that hot bod if they buy whatever product being sold.
ain’t that the truth…yesterday i was informed by an overweight woman (my boss) that men prefer soft round women vs. those who look like me…[/quote]
Well, some do, but not the ones that I want!
I’ve been told I’m too muscley, but I more often get compliments from other women telling me they wish they had my definition.
[quote]yorik wrote:
I never said body building was a bad thing and never even implied it. That’s YOUR interpretation; why would you think that?
Fortunately for those who can put up with it, the fat bashers are a pretty small minority here.
Who’s going to even ask for help when they read debates over whether fat people are lazy and undisciplined or not?
Well, it’s not important anyway.
[/quote]
That is bollocks… there are overweight people here, that do what needs to be done, and i bet anything, they will not be overweight for long… and if they are, it will be overweight due to a high level of muscle mass.
If someone has the motivation and gives their all, i will support them 110%. And done.
I am on about the overweight people that say they try, seem to try… but dont get anywhere, it is the pseudo-effort that gets me, all it does is waste their time.
If they dont want a “hotbod” enough to do what is needed, then might as well just be happy with what they do look like IMO.
I HATE the people that complain about putting on weight, getting fat, their appearance, their fitness… when they do FUCK ALL to change it.
That really fucks me off…
I love it when someone overweight, does what needs to be done and gets somewhere, because more often than not, they have to work through a much more un-pleasant muscle pain - due to the fact they are unconditioned muscles… the pain isnt near the “good” pain a toned muscle creates when full of lactic, you know what i mean.
I love a underdog success story.
I HATE a victim. “My life is so shit…” SO CHANGE IT.
Joe
[quote]lil_azn wrote:
christine wrote:
I have to agree with this. When I am asked for advice and start talking about hard work, diet and consistency, you can see the look disappointment in some peoples eyes. They are looking for a quick fix and think I have some sort of secret.
I think its partly because they believe all the infomercials saying how quickly they can get that hot bod if they buy whatever product being sold.
ain’t that the truth…yesterday i was informed by an overweight woman (my boss) that men prefer soft round women vs. those who look like me…[/quote]
I like curvy… but tight and curvy is the best, not loose and curvy (If i am gonna be fussy about it… 
)
Your boss is simply attempting to make herself feel better about your hot bod, and as she stood there and said that to you, you BOTH knew thats what she was all about!
Joe
[quote]christine wrote:
lil_azn wrote:
christine wrote:
I have to agree with this. When I am asked for advice and start talking about hard work, diet and consistency, you can see the look disappointment in some peoples eyes. They are looking for a quick fix and think I have some sort of secret.
I think its partly because they believe all the infomercials saying how quickly they can get that hot bod if they buy whatever product being sold.
ain’t that the truth…yesterday i was informed by an overweight woman (my boss) that men prefer soft round women vs. those who look like me…
Well, some do, but not the ones that I want!
I’ve been told I’m too muscley, but I more often get compliments from other women telling me they wish they had my definition. [/quote]
i echo your exact same sentiments. just blows my mind that women would want to be weak, stay weak - to get a guy? any man intimidated by me is certainly not the guy for me that’s for sure.
at least i KNOW i can hold my own. still it makes for a sad state of affairs - as i watch the women i work with gorge themselves with food and then complain that their backsides are widening, their multiple chins competing with their necklaces…sometimes i want to point out that their girdle lines are showing…ooohhhh…my bad, was i being catty???
lmao!
[quote]lil_azn wrote:
ain’t that the truth…yesterday i was informed by an overweight woman (my boss) that men prefer soft round women vs. those who look like me…[/quote]
The guys she’s talking about are guys who don’t want to be with girls with good bodies because it reminds them too much about how much their own body isn’t good.
LOL or guys who like overweight women so they dont have to battle with competition!
thats horrible, im a bastard.
J
[quote]Professor X wrote:
shizen wrote:
Professor X wrote:
yorik wrote:
I never said body building was a bad thing and never even implied it. That’s YOUR interpretation; why would you think that?
Fortunately for those who can put up with it, the fat bashers are a pretty small minority here.
Who’s going to even ask for help when they read debates over whether fat people are lazy and undisciplined or not?
Well, it’s not important anyway.
Bullshit argument. Someone HUGELY obese likely IS lazy and undisciplined the majority of the time (possibly also contributed by a psychological dependency). Yes, we could think up some outlandish reasons why someone would responsibly let themselves weigh over 350-400lbs…like someone force fed them at gunpoint…for every two meals they eat, their starving kids get half of one…their legs don’t work and they have been trapped in a Hostess bakery for years unable to stop the confections from falling haphazardly down their throat…or perhaps they actually do work 20 hours a day at a desk job at KFC.
All of those are GOOD reasons. However, I am willing to bet that most of the people THAT large didn’t get that way from hard work and discipline.
That isn’t fat bashing. Fat bashing would be degrading ANYONE who is slightly overweight. I think we have made a distinction many times over in this thread. That is simply reality.
Barring a true medical disorder, extreme obesity isn’t really something that deserves that much sympathy. I would gladly listen to your explanation why this isn’t the case.
Well some places in the south where a lot of your community is extremely obese and you have been forced to eat shit your whole life from your parents odds are you will develop very bad eating habits. I’ve never been that fat, but at a point you must feel extreme depression. When this happens, and you start to eat more to feel better it will become pretty hard to lose the weight without help from others. Yet when everyone else is the same, it becomes pretty hard I would imagine.
LOL. I live in the South. I grew up in The South. It isn’t that damn different than The North except for backwoods parts of Alabama and Louisiana. Guess what…we don’t even ride horses to school…except on Tuesdays.
You are blaming obesity on someone’s learned habits…habits that can be unlearned if the desire is there. Contrary to what you may believe, people in The South aren’t that damned uneducated compared to people everywhere else. Hell, we even have the interweb and color tv’s.[/quote]
I’m in Arkansas myself. I find it a blessing to have a shitload of “meat and taters” for lunch and supper. I completely agree with X…
Except we ride our horses on Wednesdays. That way we can get to church right after waterin’ the rice. And X is a freed slave. Since you know, we still have slavery and stuff in the South.
<–Hates people stereotyping the South
Achieving mediocrity seems to be much too difficult for many people to ever achieve.
Mediocre is now considered impressive.
[quote]chutec wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
chutec wrote:
I actually had one of them tell me losing weight was simple…just eat fewer calories than you expend.
this was so rife with fault that i didnt dig into it.
She is my boss, and everyone in the room will forever think what she says is fact because im not going to jeaprodise my job by trying to school her.
I hate to break it to you but what she told you is correct.
Please dont be that guy. of course the statement is correct.
but in the context of the FAT LOSS …LONG TERM - its full of holes.
and its not that she is wrong, its that she makes something she has yet to achieve sound so simple.
If it was that easy why wasnt she saving her own life?
anyway, she actualy…actually went on to say that you could have mars bars for your daily calories and as long as it they totalled no more calories than your expenditure you would lose weight.
of course you would.
But the question is what kind of weight, and do you have the willpower to not succumb to the energy rollarcoaster and resultant binge eating of other refined sugary foods?
Id also agree that this is no place for a defence of obesity, or a defence of the feelings of those with obesity.
If this thread scares off potential fat losers, then they arent ready yet.[/quote]
I wasn’t trying to be “that guy”
Just making sure you understand the laws of thermodynamics. I agree with everything you just wrote.