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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
j4k3 wrote:
I agree with this thread belonging more in the get a lift forum, but I don’t get why it’s pissing you off. The threads people are bitch about are the ones that are actively anti-bodybuilding. The ‘training legs means you’re obese’, ‘I literally am afraid of getting too big’, and ‘I’m training for the function of being too weak to live’ threads are the ones that actually take away from the whole bodybuilding thing. This you might say ‘hey, this should probably be in get a life’ but it’s not really something to make a big deal over.

It isn’t pissing me off. It is more like exasperation that you see folks complain about these threads but you contribute to them.

Don’t justify it being here by listing all the off-topic threads currently in this forum. You have to start weeding sometime if that is a goal.

Am I really not being clear?

It isn’t a big deal.

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The thread that prompted most of the bitching was one entitled “I don’t want to be huge” that basically was a rant about how someone doesn’t want muscle mass. They posted this in a bodybuilding forum and actually had quite a few responses of “I agree, I hate muscles too!!”.

No one is bitching because of slightly off topic threads. We are bitching because there are quite a few people here who will degrade my own personal goals whenever they have a chance and they are coming into a bodybuilding forum to do it.

No one cares what “combat pyramids” are, yet I get told that no one is a real bodybuilder unless they are doing them up to a “level three”. This site is falling backwards quickly and will get worse if we don’t speak up at all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
j4k3 wrote:
I agree with this thread belonging more in the get a lift forum, but I don’t get why it’s pissing you off. The threads people are bitch about are the ones that are actively anti-bodybuilding. The ‘training legs means you’re obese’, ‘I literally am afraid of getting too big’, and ‘I’m training for the function of being too weak to live’ threads are the ones that actually take away from the whole bodybuilding thing. This you might say ‘hey, this should probably be in get a life’ but it’s not really something to make a big deal over.

It isn’t pissing me off. It is more like exasperation that you see folks complain about these threads but you contribute to them.

Don’t justify it being here by listing all the off-topic threads currently in this forum. You have to start weeding sometime if that is a goal.

Am I really not being clear?

It isn’t a big deal.

The thread that prompted most of the bitching was one entitled “I don’t want to be huge” that basically was a rant about how someone doesn’t want muscle mass. They posted this in a bodybuilding forum and actually had quite a few responses of “I agree, I hate muscles too!!”.

No one is bitching because of slightly off topic threads. We are bitching because there are quite a few people here who will degrade my own personal goals whenever they have a chance and they are coming into a bodybuilding forum to do it.

No one cares what “combat pyramids” are, yet IU get told that no one is a real bodybuilder unless they are doign them up to a “level three”. This site is falling backwards quickly and will get worse if we don’t speak up at all.[/quote]

Exactly, no one is complaining about threads like this one.

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[quote]will to power wrote:
Professor X wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
j4k3 wrote:
I agree with this thread belonging more in the get a lift forum, but I don’t get why it’s pissing you off. The threads people are bitch about are the ones that are actively anti-bodybuilding. The ‘training legs means you’re obese’, ‘I literally am afraid of getting too big’, and ‘I’m training for the function of being too weak to live’ threads are the ones that actually take away from the whole bodybuilding thing. This you might say ‘hey, this should probably be in get a life’ but it’s not really something to make a big deal over.

It isn’t pissing me off. It is more like exasperation that you see folks complain about these threads but you contribute to them.

Don’t justify it being here by listing all the off-topic threads currently in this forum. You have to start weeding sometime if that is a goal.

Am I really not being clear?

It isn’t a big deal.

The thread that prompted most of the bitching was one entitled “I don’t want to be huge” that basically was a rant about how someone doesn’t want muscle mass. They posted this in a bodybuilding forum and actually had quite a few responses of “I agree, I hate muscles too!!”.

No one is bitching because of slightly off topic threads. We are bitching because there are quite a few people here who will degrade my own personal goals whenever they have a chance and they are coming into a bodybuilding forum to do it.

No one cares what “combat pyramids” are, yet IU get told that no one is a real bodybuilder unless they are doign them up to a “level three”. This site is falling backwards quickly and will get worse if we don’t speak up at all.

Exactly, no one is complaining about threads like this one.[/quote]

Will to Power, that isn’t exactly correct. You and Professor X aren’t complaining but others are.

I’ve read the Dog Pound thread and the T-Nation Veterans thread.

Thanks for sharing your view on the subject.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The thread that prompted most of the bitching was one entitled “I don’t want to be huge” that basically was a rant about how someone doesn’t want muscle mass. They posted this in a bodybuilding forum and actually had quite a few responses of “I agree, I hate muscles too!!”.

No one is bitching because of slightly off topic threads. We are bitching because there are quite a few people here who will degrade my own personal goals whenever they have a chance and they are coming into a bodybuilding forum to do it.

No one cares what “combat pyramids” are, yet I get told that no one is a real bodybuilder unless they are doing them up to a “level three”. This site is falling backwards quickly and will get worse if we don’t speak up at all.[/quote]

Thanks Prof, sorry for dragging your name into it.

I don’t think Rainjack would like this thread in this forum or some of the others, but if it doesn’t get their panties in a twist than it shouldn’t twist mine.

Thanks for the explanation

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Prof. X,
You should ask that 350 lb chick to write a nutrition article on elitefts, I am sick of eating until I almost throw up, and that fucking bitch makes it look effortless doesnt she?
I have 2 lbs of beef in my lap and a hard sweat going, and its not because of that picture of jamie.

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I am saying genetics play a part but i think that is only to a certain age. When the person becomes a adult i think its the environment they are in so i guess you could even go as far to say that the enviroment plays more of a role then genetics.

My personal examples

I was overweight when i was a kid my entire family is overweight (genetics) but when i joined the army i got super fit and had a athletic body but i moved out of the enviroment for that to take place.

I got hurt and was forced to leave the army, for 6 months i lived on my own and i put on a little weight which was to be expected with going from a very active life style to pretty much doing nothing but i put on 5kgs in the first month and nothing after that.

At the end of the 6 months I moved back in with my family because i couldn’t really look after myself and i was lonely (since i couldn’t go any where or do anything)

After living back with my parents and family that are over weight i put on a hell of alot of weight i think 35kgs.

Now this is only one example but i think its a pretty strong case that a persons work and social and home environment has just as much or more to do with a persons weight then genetics.

Oh can you tell i study sociology at university?

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[quote]zarrs wrote:
I am saying genetics play a part but i think that is only to a certain age. When the person becomes a adult i think its the environment they are in so i guess you could even go as far to say that the enviroment plays more of a role then genetics.

My personal examples

I was overweight when i was a kid my entire family is overweight (genetics) [/quote]

Do you honestly think you would have been overweight if you had been adopted by parents who were olympic track athletes?

I understand what you are trying to say, but I also think you give too much credit to genetics even when considering children. Most fat adults I see with kids have fat kids. I would credit that to the habits the children learn from the parents and not genetics. I have seen a family of obese people go to Burger King for breakfast and order more shit than a team of football players could get down in one sitting. Genetics isn’t to blame for why the kids in that family had to roll out of the car when it pulled up.

You apparently only got fat in your life when surrounded by your family and quickly got into shape when you avoided that lifestyle. That doesn’t point to genetics at all.

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[quote]Fulmen wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Joe Brook wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
This thread should probably be in the “Get A Life” forum.

This isn’t really discussing specific training goals, it is just general wonderings about fat people.

What about:
“how do they get big in jail?”
“At What Point Do You Say Forget it?”
“Hardgainers dont exist”
OR
“good bodybuilding books?”

These aren’t really discussing specific training goals, either.

Joe

Then YAH those should be moved too.

You guys, YOU Professor X, are bitching about how cluttered this forum has become.

Well how about a little self policing? Stop starting stupid threads in this forum. Instead put them where they belong.

I dunno, maybe junk in this forum isn’t that big a deal after all.

All of you seem to be adding to the morass

“Hardgainers Don’t Exist” was made to discredit the term “hardgainer”. “Good Bodybuilding Books” can be beneficial to those who want to learn more about bodybuilding. This thread is good in keeping away people who make excuses, just like “What’s Your Excuse?”.

It’s beneficial to our bodybuilding life, it should stay. Shit like “How do they get big in jail”, “…Forget it”, and the related shouldn’t-they’re not beneficial. I don’t remember starting stupid threads, and I don’t remember X starting stupid ones either.

It’s the dumbasses that do.[/quote]

I agree… this is to do with what we want to talk about and that much has been proven.

It is 100% related to our lifestyle, read the OP. It is an opinion… maybe, so can we not have opinions in this part of the forum?

Joe The OP…

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Thats pretty much what i am saying, i just didn’t write it in the clearest readable format.

Too much study for mid semesters

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AND also for clarification… the majority of you will know - who have read my posts (I’d even go so ar as to include you, Prof X)
I AM a serious bodybuilder, who uses this forum well, i read, research and give my opinion, and i dont talk shit just to wind people up - whether someone agrees with my view or not, it isnt there just to cause trouble.

I started this thread, not to cause “trash” in the forum, just as somthing i was thinking about in relation to the lifestyle i and alot of us here lead… i was wondering what the people, who i have begun to talk to daily and who’s opinions i value greatly, think on this issue of bodybuilding being the key to the fat epidemic…

Joe

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[quote]Scrotus wrote:
Prof. X,
You should ask that 350 lb chick to write a nutrition article on elitefts, I am sick of eating until I almost throw up, and that fucking bitch makes it look effortless doesnt she?
I have 2 lbs of beef in my lap and a hard sweat going, and its not because of that picture of jamie.[/quote]

lmfao!

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tell you what though, what i do LOVE about this place, it shows that the MAJORITY - not all, but the majority of serious trainees and bodybuilders are very intelligent, clever, educated and opinionated people.

Boxer666 excluded…

Joe

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[quote]Joe Brook wrote:
tell you what though, what i do LOVE about this place, it shows that the MAJORITY - not all, but the majority of serious trainees and bodybuilders are very intelligent, clever, educated and opinionated people.

Boxer666 excluded…

Joe[/quote]

I have to agree with that. This is the only forum I’ve ever recomended to anyone. I have more articles and postings saved and printed out than I even would have when I was in school. Of course we have the newbs who don’t know better, and even some intermediates who think they know better (or are just so adamant that teveryone else must be wrong), but overall, I think the intelligence/open mindedness of the average T-Nation-er makes for a pretty worthwhile site.

It just goes to support something TC said in an older Atomic Dog. A Strong Brain can build a Strong Body, but not the other way around. In my own experiences (and in my current gym as well), the best built guys are the smarter ones (This excludes gear junkies of course -lol)

S

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sorry didnt have time to read every post so sorry if im repeating a lot here.

I was 330 odd pounds a year and a half ago…i drank alot and i chose not to do anything about it because i was enjoying uni and enjoying myself.

uni ended.

drinking stopped.

learn.

eat clean.

life sorted.

simple. there wasnt even another option to me!

Now I dont want to absolve fat people of responsibility, after all I dug myself out so why cant they?

but a major contributing factor is the massive amount of miss information out there.

everyone has those people at work…you know ‘the ones who know a lot about nutrition’.

invariably female, invariably fat, and invariably loud about their prescriptions about how to lose weight effectively.

I actually had one of them tell me losing weight was simple…just eat fewer calories than you expend.

this was so rife with fault that i didnt dig into it.
She is my boss, and everyone in the room will forever think what she says is fact because im not going to jeaprodise my job by trying to school her.

simply put if I let myself argue with her, the only way i could effectively debunk her arguments is by pointing out that she is in fact fat, and i am in fact…not.

i dont imagine id last long if I did that!

now apply that little microcosm to society as a whole…the people creating the wisdom are the people who can shout the loudest and who no one can effectively stand up to.

then take into acount that 4 out of 5 people are sheep and bam. thats a big problem.

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It’s not worth it to everyone to do what it takes to have a great body. They don’t get enough out of it. But no one should be more than a little chubby for health reasons. Some will have to work harder than others to maintain a HEALTHY bodyfat percentage. But that’s what they should do.

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It’s a shame that a site like this has both the valuable information that the fat bastards need to improve themselves, and also a bunch of bodybuilding assholes who love to bash fat people and hence chase them away.

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[quote]yorik wrote:
It’s a shame that a site like this has both the valuable information that the fat bastards need to improve themselves, and also a bunch of bodybuilding assholes who love to bash fat people and hence chase them away.[/quote]

Go figure. You find bodybuilding assholes on a bodybuilding website in the bodybuilding forum.

You say bodybuilding like it’s a bad thing.

No one who sincerely asks for help ever gets chased away.

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I never said body building was a bad thing and never even implied it. That’s YOUR interpretation; why would you think that?

Fortunately for those who can put up with it, the fat bashers are a pretty small minority here.

Who’s going to even ask for help when they read debates over whether fat people are lazy and undisciplined or not?

Well, it’s not important anyway.

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[quote]yorik wrote:
I never said body building was a bad thing and never even implied it. That’s YOUR interpretation; why would you think that?

Fortunately for those who can put up with it, the fat bashers are a pretty small minority here.

Who’s going to even ask for help when they read debates over whether fat people are lazy and undisciplined or not?

Well, it’s not important anyway.

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Bullshit argument. Someone HUGELY obese likely IS lazy and undisciplined the majority of the time (possibly also contributed by a psychological dependency). Yes, we could think up some outlandish reasons why someone would responsibly let themselves weigh over 350-400lbs…like someone force fed them at gunpoint…for every two meals they eat, their starving kids get half of one…their legs don’t work and they have been trapped in a Hostess bakery for years unable to stop the confections from falling haphazardly down their throat…or perhaps they actually do work 20 hours a day at a desk job at KFC.

All of those are GOOD reasons. However, I am willing to bet that most of the people THAT large didn’t get that way from hard work and discipline.

That isn’t fat bashing. Fat bashing would be degrading ANYONE who is slightly overweight. I think we have made a distinction many times over in this thread. That is simply reality.

Barring a true medical disorder, extreme obesity isn’t really something that deserves that much sympathy. I would gladly listen to your explanation why this isn’t the case.

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[quote]yorik wrote:
I never said body building was a bad thing and never even implied it. That’s YOUR interpretation; why would you think that?

Fortunately for those who can put up with it, the fat bashers are a pretty small minority here.

Who’s going to even ask for help when they read debates over whether fat people are lazy and undisciplined or not?

Well, it’s not important anyway.

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I see your point, but as a former FB myself, it wasn’t until I began to be highly critical of myself (i.e., beat myself up) about it that I started to implement real change… At the time, I would have found it refreshing to be in a group like this, not all of whom are “sympathetic” about the condition of obesity. Real change doesn’t occur until personal responsibility takes place, and often the best wrapper for this is raw, hard, painful truth.

That said, that’s what works for me personally… Maybe this approach would scare off others who might otherwise find help here. But let’s face it: A place called “Testosterone Nation” doesn’t sound like a very touchy-feely place where one would reasonably expect to find hugs and words of affirmation… LOL