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[quote]Shire wrote:
I don’t look down on fat people. A woman I know has worked 30 plus years in factories doing pretty demanding manual labour. Then she went on to run her own successful business working 17-18 hour days everyday of the week.

She was overweight because she only ate two crappy meals a day and didn’t have the time to prepare something healthy because she was too busy putting food on the table to support her family.

I really hate generalisations.[/quote]

No offense, but how fat was she? I doubt most of us are referring to people who are just slightly chubby. I personally am talking about being so fat that it hinders their ability to even move well like those people who ride on scooters around WalMart. People who have become so obese that they couldn’t run 5 steps if they were being chased by rabid dogs is what I consider over the line. I don’t go around testing people’s body fat percentages and am not talking about “stocky” people.

I can understand someone who literally works two and three jobs who can’t hit the gym who lets themselves go a little. However, are you saying you believe the average hugely overweight housewife has this problem? Do you think there are so many fat people walking around lately because they all work over 17 hours a day?

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She is at a guess by BMI scale, Obese to Morbidly.

She isn’t so bad she cannot move, but big enough to not get away with “big boned” or “stocky” (shit, i get called stocky sometimes)
And i bet she could run/walk 50-75 metres if chased!

Like i said, i dont mean the people that need to be airlifted out of bed, there is a genetic mutation there where they are really addicted to fatty food like a junkie to dope.
But the fatso’s of the da, you see walking about or maybe if over 45 then in a electric chair (no, not that kind…)
ESPECIALLY in the states. sorry guys…

Joe

PS, That is something i will tell you, i lived there for most of last year, and all the mens clothes are big. A small was like a medium in most places, people are just BIGGER there than in the UK. I mean taller, wider, just a bit bigger. I truly think it is because of the “richness” of the culture… every convenience store smells like sugar, coffee, do-nuts… I could not bare to walk into stop and shops, white hens, shaws, even fuckin rite-aids! when dieting down, it would drive a man crazy! I can taste the boston cremes now…

Joe

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I thinking more and more that there is a psychological component to obesity. I would even go as far a mental health problem. You know those foods you can’t stop eating once you start (chips, ice cream, whatever). What if you were like that for all types of food.

So I think there’s definitely an obsessive-compulsive aspect to it. So it’s definitely going to take more effort for people like that.

We kind of live in a society obsessed with food. Large amounts are available, we tend to associate good feelings with eating (advertisers make sure to reinforce this), we feel guilty when we eat to much. Definitely not what I would call a healthy relationship.

The genetic argument is kind of crap since the gene pool of the American population has not changed in the last 50 years yet obesity went from almost zero to like over 50%.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Shire wrote:

I can understand someone who literally works two and three jobs who can’t hit the gym who lets themselves go a little. However, are you saying you believe the average hugely overweight housewife has this problem? Do you think there are so many fat people walking around lately because they all work over 17 hours a day?[/quote]

She was about 35 lbs overweight.

No i’m not saying that the average housewife has that kind of issue. And no i’m certainly not saying that the majority of fat people are overweight due to working too many hours!

Just that i’ve observed these kind of women throughout my life, who have supported a whole family from working long, long hours. All of these ladies have been overweight. And they are the kindest, most responsible and hard working people I have ever met.

Sorry for sorta going off topic…

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[quote]Shire wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Shire wrote:

I can understand someone who literally works two and three jobs who can’t hit the gym who lets themselves go a little. However, are you saying you believe the average hugely overweight housewife has this problem? Do you think there are so many fat people walking around lately because they all work over 17 hours a day?

She was about 35 lbs overweight.

No i’m not saying that the average housewife has that kind of issue. And no i’m certainly not saying that the majority of fat people are overweight due to working too many hours!

Just that i’ve observed these kind of women throughout my life, who have supported a whole family from working long, long hours. All of these ladies have been overweight. And they are the kindest, most responsible and hard working people I have ever met.

Sorry for sorta going off topic…
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I agree with you there and I don’t judge someone’s ability to do their job by how fat they are unless it literally hinders their ability to do it well.

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The general population will reflect the system they are in. Americans are fat because they live in a system that is conductive to making them fat. Chinese are not fat because they live in a system that is conductive to them not being fat.

Yes, these are generalizations, as there are skinny Americans and fat Chinese (and skinny and fat people in every society).

But consider the fact that most places in America aren’t designed in such a way as to be comfortably livable without a car. Take a person and put them in an environment where its easier to walk to the store/work/doctor/drugstore/etc and they will tend to lose weight. Put them in an environment where they work 25 miles from home and the grocery store is 5 miles in the other direction, and they will tend to be fat.

Put a person in an area with fast food (containing lord knows what additives making you want to eat even when you arent hungry), HFCS in damn near everything, and make healthy, nutritious food cost more. Guess what the majority of people will do?

Take a thin person from Africa and put them in a society like America where food advertisements are ubiquitous and most social gatherings and holidays revolve around food. They tend to get fat.

Yes, personal responsibility is a big factor, but to say that is the only factor is to say that Americans (for being generally fatter) have less or take less personal responsibility than people in a country without an obesity problem. I just haven’t found that to be the case.

As far as doing something about the obesity problem in America, a systemic problem needs systemic solutions.

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Few people look like sorry sacks of shit when they’re kids.

They do it to themselves and it happens over time.

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[quote]goya wrote:
I thinking more and more that there is a psychological component to obesity. I would even go as far a mental health problem. You know those foods you can’t stop eating once you start (chips, ice cream, whatever). What if you were like that for all types of food.

So I think there’s definitely an obsessive-compulsive aspect to it. So it’s definitely going to take more effort for people like that.

We kind of live in a society obsessed with food. Large amounts are available, we tend to associate good feelings with eating (advertisers make sure to reinforce this), we feel guilty when we eat to much. Definitely not what I would call a healthy relationship.

The genetic argument is kind of crap since the gene pool of the American population has not changed in the last 50 years yet obesity went from almost zero to like over 50%.

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Good post

Agreed about genetics. Genetics didn’t change, but McDonalds came around pumping “food” so full of shit its more like a drug, and high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oil appeared on the ingredients list of 90% of the products in foodstores.

As an aside, if anybody thinks McDonalds is just food, try going out and buying the same stuff and make it yourself. There’s a reason the stuff you make wont have the same smell, taste, or mouthfeel, and you’ll actually feel full from eating it and not continue to have the desire to eat.

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It’s a self-image issue.

A successful bodybuilder who needs to diet down has this self-image: “I am a successful bodybuilder who needs to lose excess fat for a competition.”

Your average fat person’s self-image: “I’m a fat person who struggles to lose weight and none of my fat friends have ever done so successfully, I wish I could be thin, blah blah blah.”

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[quote]Joe Brook wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
This thread should probably be in the “Get A Life” forum.

This isn’t really discussing specific training goals, it is just general wonderings about fat people.

What about:
“how do they get big in jail?”
“At What Point Do You Say Forget it?”
“Hardgainers dont exist”
OR
“good bodybuilding books?”

These aren’t really discussing specific training goals, either.

Joe[/quote]

Then YAH those should be moved too.

You guys, YOU Professor X, are bitching about how cluttered this forum has become.

Well how about a little self policing? Stop starting stupid threads in this forum. Instead put them where they belong.

I dunno, maybe junk in this forum isn’t that big a deal after all.

All of you seem to be adding to the morass

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YOU GUYS ARE MEAN!!

Just kidding… But wondering: Have any of you ever been seriously overweight? Doesn’t seem so from what I’m reading… So, though I’m a complete newbie when it comes to bodybuilding, I thought I might offer some perspective from a former “fattie”…

As a kid, most of my siblings (7 of us altogether) were in pretty good shape, and I don’t remember ever seeing either of my parents seriously overweight. However, my twin brother and I, for whatever reason, were two very lazy kids who loved to eat. My mom would yell at us all the time to go outside and get some exercise, but we preferred to stay inside and play with toys (pre-teen), on the computer (teen) and in pretty nerdy cerebral pursuits in general. My dad played football in school, but my brother and I couldn’t stand sports (admittedly, still not very into competitive sports, though I now play on my church’s softball team… LOL). And eating… Two bowls of Fruity Pebbles for breakfast, giant bowl of spaghetti for after-school snack, that sort of thing…

So, got to be pretty heavy by early teens. At about 16, discovered girls and dropped most of the excess weight, but after marriage (at 24) put it all back on and then some. Excuse: College and then Grad School. No time or energy for exercise, and my wife and I really “connected” on the food thing. Dairy Queen was a big date, no joke!

About five years ago, I’d had enough. Maximum density was 250 pounds (definitely labeled by doctors as “morbidly obese”) and starting to show signs of serious health problems in mid-30’s. So, I decided to get the weight off once and for all… Tried every scheme and magic pill on earth, and in the end discovered that only exercise and eating right does it. And not just to get the weight off but to keep it off.

Today, I’m trying to figure out how to put some muscle onto my frame where the fat used to be (and getting great help in other threads)… But the cost of my “fun” years: about 2 billion extra fat cells than I would have had otherwise, and these guys are hard to deal with! My own fault…

Point: Everyone is different, but in my case I simply CHOSE throughout most of my life to be lazy and eat whatever I felt like. At the time, had every justification in the book, but in the end it was completely my own fault. Glad I finally came to my senses…

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Joe Brook wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
This thread should probably be in the “Get A Life” forum.

This isn’t really discussing specific training goals, it is just general wonderings about fat people.

What about:
“how do they get big in jail?”
“At What Point Do You Say Forget it?”
“Hardgainers dont exist”
OR
“good bodybuilding books?”

These aren’t really discussing specific training goals, either.

Joe

Then YAH those should be moved too.

You guys, YOU Professor X, are bitching about how cluttered this forum has become.

Well how about a little self policing? Stop starting stupid threads in this forum. Instead put them where they belong.

I dunno, maybe junk in this forum isn’t that big a deal after all.

All of you seem to be adding to the morass
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Yep. Its not hard to figure out what to do if you dont like the content of the forums: start better threads, only respond to better threads, and ignore the ones you dont like.

Instead, we see more of people bitching about shit than the shit they’re bitching about.

Somebody talks about combat pyramids, and instead of just ignoring that person, we need to go into 3 or 4 other threads and make references to it.

People leave bodybuilding.com forums and come here hoping to get away from most of the ignorance…only to have people start threads over here about what’s going on over there.

An obvious troll posts as a 125 pound teenager looking to cut, and we have vets exclaiming “I’m sick of these 125 pound teenagers asking for advice on cutting!”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dude, most people are fat/obese because they do not put in the effort. They may CLAIM they have tried everything, but what they haven’t tried is watching what they eat intelligently for many many months while lifting weights 4-5 times a week every single week and actually working hard enough to see progress.

One of the ladies at my job brings kolaches and doughnuts to work every single day (or at least MOST days). It is no wonder she weighs a probable near 350lbs. If she were to ever say she has tried everything, I would fall over laughing at the obvious joke.

Unless someone has a true metabolic disease, I do not consider obesity some random act of nature.

It takes a long time of ignoring the damage you are doing to get that fat in the first place. There is also way too much info available today for this to happen passively. These people know which foods they shouldn’t be eating. They just keep eating them because they like it or they think this makes them normal.

I wish the idea of bringing doughnuts to work would die quickly.

Mind you, there is a “Fitness Connection” right next door and NONE of these women have memberships. [/quote]

Exactly. Like my dad called me up a few weeks ago all upset, beause the doctor told him he had diabetes. I was like “Damn it Dad, you’re 400 pounds, you eat like shit and don’t do any exercise. How is this a surprise?”

Now, me and my dad are close and we’ve both been real straight with each other, so it’s not as callous as it sounds, but the point remains.

It’s no surprise to me that the people that are fat are fat, it would be a surprise to me if they were living the way they are and WEREN’T fat.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Joe Brook wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
This thread should probably be in the “Get A Life” forum.

This isn’t really discussing specific training goals, it is just general wonderings about fat people.

What about:
“how do they get big in jail?”
“At What Point Do You Say Forget it?”
“Hardgainers dont exist”
OR
“good bodybuilding books?”

These aren’t really discussing specific training goals, either.

Joe

Then YAH those should be moved too.

You guys, YOU Professor X, are bitching about how cluttered this forum has become.

Well how about a little self policing? Stop starting stupid threads in this forum. Instead put them where they belong.

I dunno, maybe junk in this forum isn’t that big a deal after all.

All of you seem to be adding to the morass

Yep. Its not hard to figure out what to do if you dont like the content of the forums: start better threads, only respond to better threads, and ignore the ones you dont like.

Instead, we see more of people bitching about shit than the shit they’re bitching about.

Somebody talks about combat pyramids, and instead of just ignoring that person, we need to go into 3 or 4 other threads and make references to it.

People leave bodybuilding.com forums and come here hoping to get away from most of the ignorance…only to have people start threads over here about what’s going on over there.

An obvious troll posts as a 125 pound teenager looking to cut, and we have vets exclaiming “I’m sick of these 125 pound teenagers asking for advice on cutting!”

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EXACTLY! The OP of this thread actually justifies the misplacement of this thread by listing all the trash threads in this forum.

Well start weeding folks if you want your forum back.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Joe Brook wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
This thread should probably be in the “Get A Life” forum.

This isn’t really discussing specific training goals, it is just general wonderings about fat people.

What about:
“how do they get big in jail?”
“At What Point Do You Say Forget it?”
“Hardgainers dont exist”
OR
“good bodybuilding books?”

These aren’t really discussing specific training goals, either.

Joe

Then YAH those should be moved too.

You guys, YOU Professor X, are bitching about how cluttered this forum has become.

Well how about a little self policing? Stop starting stupid threads in this forum. Instead put them where they belong.

I dunno, maybe junk in this forum isn’t that big a deal after all.

All of you seem to be adding to the morass
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“Hardgainers Don’t Exist” was made to discredit the term “hardgainer”. “Good Bodybuilding Books” can be beneficial to those who want to learn more about bodybuilding. This thread is good in keeping away people who make excuses, just like “What’s Your Excuse?”.

It’s beneficial to our bodybuilding life, it should stay. Shit like “How do they get big in jail”, “…Forget it”, and the related shouldn’t-they’re not beneficial. I don’t remember starting stupid threads, and I don’t remember X starting stupid ones either.

It’s the dumbasses that do.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Few people look like sorry sacks of shit when they’re kids.

They do it to themselves and it happens over time.[/quote]

i strongly disagree many families make their kids eat just as bad as they do, it takes them until sometimes their out of college to realize they have to make a change. If your raised in a family where you have to eat fast food everyday or nothing, your probably going to be eating the fast food not thinking anything of it. This is another reason why so many people are overweight.

It really pisses me off when extremely overweight parents are forcing their kids into the same lifestyle they are in.

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[quote]Fulmen wrote:
“Hardgainers Don’t Exist” was made to discredit the term “hardgainer”. “Good Bodybuilding Books” can be beneficial to those who want to learn more about bodybuilding. This thread is good in keeping away people who make excuses, just like “What’s Your Excuse?”.

It’s beneficial to our bodybuilding life, it should stay. Shit like “How do they get big in jail”, “…Forget it”, and the related shouldn’t-they’re not beneficial. I don’t remember starting stupid threads, and I don’t remember X starting stupid ones either.

It’s the dumbasses that do.[/quote]

My apologies if it came across that I was implying that Professor X started a stupid thread. I mentioned him only as to why are you guys participating in these threads in this forum?

  1. It’s in the wrong forum
  2. We have had a zillion “Why are people fat” threads

I am not saying this thread isn’t entertaining, it just isn’t a Bodybuilding thread. Let me qualify that. In my opinion, this thread is more related to the “Get A Life” forum.

Let’s leave this forum for threads related to Bodybuilding.

This thread is about fat people.

PX, my apologies if it seemed like I said you started this thread or a stupid thread.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Fulmen wrote:
“Hardgainers Don’t Exist” was made to discredit the term “hardgainer”. “Good Bodybuilding Books” can be beneficial to those who want to learn more about bodybuilding. This thread is good in keeping away people who make excuses, just like “What’s Your Excuse?”.

It’s beneficial to our bodybuilding life, it should stay. Shit like “How do they get big in jail”, “…Forget it”, and the related shouldn’t-they’re not beneficial. I don’t remember starting stupid threads, and I don’t remember X starting stupid ones either.

It’s the dumbasses that do.

My apologies if it came across that I was implying that Professor X started a stupid thread. I mentioned him only as to why are you guys participating in these threads in this forum?

  1. It’s in the wrong forum
  2. We have had a zillion “Why are people fat” threads

I am not saying this thread isn’t entertaining, it just isn’t a Bodybuilding thread. Let me qualify that. In my opinion, this thread is more related to the “Get A Life” forum.

Let’s leave this forum for threads related to Bodybuilding.

This thread is about fat people.

PX, my apologies if it seemed like I said you started this thread or a stupid thread.
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I agree with this thread belonging more in the get a lift forum, but I don’t get why it’s pissing you off. The threads people are bitch about are the ones that are actively anti-bodybuilding. The ‘training legs means you’re obese’, ‘I literally am afraid of getting too big’, and ‘I’m training for the function of being too weak to live’ threads are the ones that actually take away from the whole bodybuilding thing. This you might say ‘hey, this should probably be in get a life’ but it’s not really something to make a big deal over.

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Something weird going on with the forum, the post above by j4k3 was made by me, my login was switched and I hadn’t noticed [it’s not an alt either].

[quote]
I agree with this thread belonging more in the get a lift forum, but I don’t get why it’s pissing you off. The threads people are bitch about are the ones that are actively anti-bodybuilding. The ‘training legs means you’re obese’, ‘I literally am afraid of getting too big’, and ‘I’m training for the function of being too weak to live’ threads are the ones that actually take away from the whole bodybuilding thing. This you might say ‘hey, this should probably be in get a life’ but it’s not really something to make a big deal over.[/quote]

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[quote]j4k3 wrote:
I agree with this thread belonging more in the get a lift forum, but I don’t get why it’s pissing you off. The threads people are bitch about are the ones that are actively anti-bodybuilding. The ‘training legs means you’re obese’, ‘I literally am afraid of getting too big’, and ‘I’m training for the function of being too weak to live’ threads are the ones that actually take away from the whole bodybuilding thing. This you might say ‘hey, this should probably be in get a life’ but it’s not really something to make a big deal over.[/quote]

It isn’t pissing me off. It is more like exasperation that you see folks complain about these threads but you contribute to them.

Don’t justify it being here by listing all the off-topic threads currently in this forum. You have to start weeding sometime if that is a goal.

Am I really not being clear?

It isn’t a big deal.