I’m on the same page with @magick and @rugby_lifting. I remember CT started an article with something like “you don’t need X;” I think that’s the “you” we’re talking about here. Wendler wrote something similar about “NFL linebackers aren’t reading this article, so the rest of us can’t do so these things”.
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Personally, I can’t out-exercise a bad diet.
I used to be able to in my 20s, but now no matter how or how much I train, if I eat junk or just too much quantity of even “healthy” food, I gain fat.
I think I have good genetics for being skinny, I was a really scrawny kid, but I’m about 200lbs at 5’11" and any more weight gain from here tends to be more fat than muscle.
Now my body composition reflects wherever my mindset is along the enjoy-life vs look-good-nekkid spectrum.
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Someone once told me “you can undo 60 minutes of training with 30 seconds of eating”. That put it in perspective for me.
“You can’t outrun a fork”
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This is an interesting opinion/discussion, by many applied a black/white or yes/no perspective.
I am personally more interested in where you draw the line? Is there a functional middle ground? I believe there is.
Analogue to a certain threshold of stimulus to reach gains - there supposedly should be a similar or vice versa perspective re diet. Individually, this may vary a lot, which makes it hard to use myself as an example.
You should therefore be able to out-train a bad diet - to a certain extent. That said, I would never rely on junk food as a PRIMARY source of nutrients.
Just for the record, AAS/PEDs should by definition make you less vulnerable to bad diet based on a 24/7 anabolic mode (with probability of an elevated metabolic drive) - this particularly in terms of objective gains (highlighted when training properly). Not including side effects in this statement.
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Same. I never did any aort of drugs but used to work 8-10 hours for a tree service. At 30, I decided to only eat cheeseburgers to prove a point. For 3 months, I only ate Chees burgers and drank whatever I wanted. Including alcohol all he time. I worked out 6 days a week and still dropped fat and gained muscle because I followed the caloric surplus rule/
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I’d say you can out train “food choices”, but can’t “out train too many calories”.
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