Balbos probably can speak on this far better than me as he has lots of experience bouncing in really rough parts of an equally rough country… no offense…
but my few years as a bouncer showed me that the guys who usually came out ahead were the ones who had the willingness to strike first, often unexpectedly(sucker punch if you will), and without mercy(HARD and often) and then, as Balbos said earlier, get the heck out of there.
[quote]RedFury wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
i was thinking about this post for a while…here’s my .02.
in a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson are gonna win regardless. they are mean, tough guys that turned to fighting because they are inherantly fighters (and have a true killer instinct). however, i think there are some guys that fight that are athletes, and use their respective rules to their advantage, and might not fare too well in a streetfight.
with that being said, i’ve had guys i work with make stupid comments about me training in kickboxing and BJJ, and even though i have them in skill, they’d “fight dirty.” i usually explain to them that i’m also bigger, mean and stronger, and all that “unneccessary skill” isn’t gonna hurt me against their dumb asses.
[/quote]
Uh, no, not necessarily. In a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson might have an advantage over average Jamal, until average Jamal turns out to be carrying a Glock 17 and caps both of them. Or until Juan rolls up with his hombres and they all have blades.
[/quote]
Why Jamal and Juan?
why not Billy and Little Johnny?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this.
real fights are fights.
unpredictable violence.
take your chances
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
[quote]RedFury wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
i was thinking about this post for a while…here’s my .02.
in a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson are gonna win regardless. they are mean, tough guys that turned to fighting because they are inherantly fighters (and have a true killer instinct). however, i think there are some guys that fight that are athletes, and use their respective rules to their advantage, and might not fare too well in a streetfight.
with that being said, i’ve had guys i work with make stupid comments about me training in kickboxing and BJJ, and even though i have them in skill, they’d “fight dirty.” i usually explain to them that i’m also bigger, mean and stronger, and all that “unneccessary skill” isn’t gonna hurt me against their dumb asses.
[/quote]
Uh, no, not necessarily. In a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson might have an advantage over average Jamal, until average Jamal turns out to be carrying a Glock 17 and caps both of them. Or until Juan rolls up with his hombres and they all have blades.
[/quote]
Why Jamal and Juan?
why not Billy and Little Johnny?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this.
real fights are fights.
unpredictable violence.
take your chances
[/quote]
Why Billy and Little Johnny?
Why not Ahmed and Chi Chien?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this.
[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
[quote]RedFury wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
i was thinking about this post for a while…here’s my .02.
in a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson are gonna win regardless. they are mean, tough guys that turned to fighting because they are inherantly fighters (and have a true killer instinct). however, i think there are some guys that fight that are athletes, and use their respective rules to their advantage, and might not fare too well in a streetfight.
with that being said, i’ve had guys i work with make stupid comments about me training in kickboxing and BJJ, and even though i have them in skill, they’d “fight dirty.” i usually explain to them that i’m also bigger, mean and stronger, and all that “unneccessary skill” isn’t gonna hurt me against their dumb asses.
[/quote]
Uh, no, not necessarily. In a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson might have an advantage over average Jamal, until average Jamal turns out to be carrying a Glock 17 and caps both of them. Or until Juan rolls up with his hombres and they all have blades.
[/quote]
Why Jamal and Juan?
why not Billy and Little Johnny?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this.
real fights are fights.
unpredictable violence.
take your chances
[/quote]
Why Billy and Little Johnny?
Why not Ahmed and Chi Chien?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this. [/quote]
Because billy and little johnny don’t fit the stereotype… it was obvious what reds post was portraying… don’t butcher kmc over minor details when his point was obvious.
But I also hate political correctness?!? so I could care less.
In a real fight x would shoot Y with Z.
Back to the OP, if you’re fighting under a certain set of rules, UFC, Pride, K1, or whatever, a smart fighter would know the rules and use them to his advantage and not bitch about the rules as being the reason he lost.
And for the street fight, yeah hit first, hit often, and then get the hell out of dodge.
[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
[quote]RedFury wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
i was thinking about this post for a while…here’s my .02.
in a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson are gonna win regardless. they are mean, tough guys that turned to fighting because they are inherantly fighters (and have a true killer instinct). however, i think there are some guys that fight that are athletes, and use their respective rules to their advantage, and might not fare too well in a streetfight.
with that being said, i’ve had guys i work with make stupid comments about me training in kickboxing and BJJ, and even though i have them in skill, they’d “fight dirty.” i usually explain to them that i’m also bigger, mean and stronger, and all that “unneccessary skill” isn’t gonna hurt me against their dumb asses.
[/quote]
Uh, no, not necessarily. In a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson might have an advantage over average Jamal, until average Jamal turns out to be carrying a Glock 17 and caps both of them. Or until Juan rolls up with his hombres and they all have blades.
[/quote]
Why Jamal and Juan?
why not Billy and Little Johnny?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this.
real fights are fights.
unpredictable violence.
take your chances
[/quote]
Why Billy and Little Johnny?
Why not Ahmed and Chi Chien?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this. [/quote]
maybe you should go back to the children’s table in beginners
In a street fight, I’d throw a Hadouken FTW, but that’s not allowed even under the old PRIDE rules…
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Balbos probably can speak on this far better than me as he has lots of experience bouncing in really rough parts of an equally rough country… no offense…
but my few years as a bouncer showed me that the guys who usually came out ahead were the ones who had the willingness to strike first, often unexpectedly(sucker punch if you will), and without mercy(HARD and often) and then, as Balbos said earlier, get the heck out of there. [/quote]
pre-emptive strike ;))
an experienced bouncer,due to experience reading people,can in confrontational situations read a cue from the other person thats preparing to attack,You can see it coming clearly.So,why wait?!
You strike first,have element of surprise and can DEAL WITH HIS BUDDIES ASAP ;))
[quote]Boffin wrote:
In a real fight x would shoot Y with Z.[/quote]
I call this bull! Fist-fights outnumber firefights even in Columbia.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
I agree with the sentiment of the thread but also think that some MMA/BJJ practices would be a disaster in a street fight.
Pulling guard seems to beg for a headbutt.
All other things being equal I would bet on the trained fighter though.
“Real” fights are stupid.[/quote]
So,do you suggest lets anyone abuse you or run away at first sign of trouble?
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
[quote]RedFury wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
i was thinking about this post for a while…here’s my .02.
in a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson are gonna win regardless. they are mean, tough guys that turned to fighting because they are inherantly fighters (and have a true killer instinct). however, i think there are some guys that fight that are athletes, and use their respective rules to their advantage, and might not fare too well in a streetfight.
with that being said, i’ve had guys i work with make stupid comments about me training in kickboxing and BJJ, and even though i have them in skill, they’d “fight dirty.” i usually explain to them that i’m also bigger, mean and stronger, and all that “unneccessary skill” isn’t gonna hurt me against their dumb asses.
[/quote]
Uh, no, not necessarily. In a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson might have an advantage over average Jamal, until average Jamal turns out to be carrying a Glock 17 and caps both of them. Or until Juan rolls up with his hombres and they all have blades.
[/quote]
Why Jamal and Juan?
why not Billy and Little Johnny?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this.
real fights are fights.
unpredictable violence.
take your chances
[/quote]
I thought all of them are of the same race.Ah,well…
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Balbos probably can speak on this far better than me as he has lots of experience bouncing in really rough parts of an equally rough country… no offense…
but my few years as a bouncer showed me that the guys who usually came out ahead were the ones who had the willingness to strike first, often unexpectedly(sucker punch if you will), and without mercy(HARD and often) and then, as Balbos said earlier, get the heck out of there. [/quote]
Man,I passed some very bad times as a bouncer!
Iceing my right after being attacked by 3 Dutch men minutes earlier.Two of them caught some collaterall damage before they fucked away ;)) summer 2008.
Bwt,just behind that cigerette machine behind me was a bag containing various stuff including an axe with a short handle ;)) tools of the trade 
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
[quote]lemonman456 wrote:
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
[quote]RedFury wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
i was thinking about this post for a while…here’s my .02.
in a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson are gonna win regardless. they are mean, tough guys that turned to fighting because they are inherantly fighters (and have a true killer instinct). however, i think there are some guys that fight that are athletes, and use their respective rules to their advantage, and might not fare too well in a streetfight.
with that being said, i’ve had guys i work with make stupid comments about me training in kickboxing and BJJ, and even though i have them in skill, they’d “fight dirty.” i usually explain to them that i’m also bigger, mean and stronger, and all that “unneccessary skill” isn’t gonna hurt me against their dumb asses.
[/quote]
Uh, no, not necessarily. In a street fight, guys like Mike Tyson and Rampage Jackson might have an advantage over average Jamal, until average Jamal turns out to be carrying a Glock 17 and caps both of them. Or until Juan rolls up with his hombres and they all have blades.
[/quote]
Why Jamal and Juan?
why not Billy and Little Johnny?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this.
real fights are fights.
unpredictable violence.
take your chances
[/quote]
Why Billy and Little Johnny?
Why not Ahmed and Chi Chien?
don’t bring bullshit racist generalizations into this. [/quote]
maybe you should go back to the children’s table in beginners[/quote]
aww I’m sorry that i hurt your feelings
[quote]Sveti Ante wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
I agree with the sentiment of the thread but also think that some MMA/BJJ practices would be a disaster in a street fight.
Pulling guard seems to beg for a headbutt.
All other things being equal I would bet on the trained fighter though.
“Real” fights are stupid.[/quote]
So,do you suggest lets anyone abuse you or run away at first sign of trouble? [/quote]
Not at all. I suggest not pulling guard. I suggest trying to de-escalate the situation and trying to keep distance. Fighting should be the last resort and then the goal should be landing the first punch and then escaping ASAP.
Stick around and getting beat by his buddies or getting arrested is stupid. Breaking your hand on some dudes head is stupid. Having some dude break your orbital is stupid.
Leaving a bad situation is smart.
Just realized you were a bouncer. Different situation than a street fight. Sometimes you are locked into fighting.
Nobody who trains MMA and has a decent head on their shoulders believes they are training for a real fight. Training for a sport where you have rules and referees to enforce them is entirely different than training to actually fight for your life. Too many Tapout bros seem to mistake the two as being one, and fail to realize they are training for a sport. In a sport, you can’t get punched in the eyes or groin, the other guy can’t draw a weapon, and nobody brought their buddies to help them, and you won’t get your head stomped in after you lose.
I’m sick of all of these real combat threads that are popping up on here lately. I never really saw this forum as a “real combat” oriented forum, but rather as a forum where people of various disciplines and backgrounds can share their expertise on the many martial arts that they practice
Nobody who trains MMA and has a decent head on their shoulders believes they are training for a real fight. Training for a sport where you have rules and referees to enforce them is entirely different than training to actually fight for your life. Too many Tapout bros seem to mistake the two as being one, and fail to realize they are training for a sport. In a sport, you can’t get punched in the eyes or groin, the other guy can’t draw a weapon, and nobody brought their buddies to help them, and you won’t get your head stomped in after you lose.
I’m sick of all of these real combat threads that are popping up on here lately. I never really saw this forum as a “real combat” oriented forum, but rather as a forum where people of various disciplines and backgrounds can share their expertise on the many martial arts that they practice
[quote]grayman19 wrote:
Nobody who trains MMA and has a decent head on their shoulders believes they are training for a real fight. Training for a sport where you have rules and referees to enforce them is entirely different than training to actually fight for your life. Too many Tapout bros seem to mistake the two as being one, and fail to realize they are training for a sport. In a sport, you can’t get punched in the eyes or groin, the other guy can’t draw a weapon, and nobody brought their buddies to help them, and you won’t get your head stomped in after you lose.
I’m sick of all of these real combat threads that are popping up on here lately. I never really saw this forum as a “real combat” oriented forum, but rather as a forum where people of various disciplines and backgrounds can share their expertise on the many martial arts that they practice[/quote]
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