Quick question for real bodybuilders not less then average guys that bust their ass for five years seeing no result, bullshit. First how come I have seen some small bodybuilders? I’m 5’8 and now 202 lbs down from 215 a month ago, bulking diet gone wrong! haha But whats up with these small muscles bodybuilders? I’m considering bodybuilding but am not even close. A lot closer than the other guy though. I just don’t want to be that teeny chisseled guy. I want to be the huge chisseled guy. Anyone know what I’m talking about? I don’t want to hear the word “genetics” that word has a lot in common with weak minded, pussy, and lame. Any ideas?
[quote]Manofsteel319 wrote:
Quick question for real bodybuilders not less then average guys that bust their ass for five years seeing no result, bullshit. First how come I have seen some small bodybuilders? I’m 5’8 and now 202 lbs down from 215 a month ago, bulking diet gone wrong! haha But whats up with these small muscles bodybuilders? I’m considering bodybuilding but am not even close. A lot closer than the other guy though. I just don’t want to be that teeny chisseled guy. I want to be the huge chisseled guy. Anyone know what I’m talking about? I don’t want to hear the word “genetics” that word has a lot in common with weak minded, pussy, and lame. Any ideas?[/quote]
I’ll assume your refering to the size loss during cutting. The levels of conditioning competitive BBers attain is beyond what most people would consider ‘ripped’ I’m about your height, and down to (as of yesterday) 196.5 lbs. I started dieting at about 205, and looked damn cut at that weight. BUT I realize that Jim Cordova is my height as well, and he competes at about 172lbs. While that does seem insane, you have to realize that he’s depleated his water, cut practically all bodyfat, all sorts of drastic stuff. His definition of ‘cut’ is a lot different than yours or mine. Sure it will mess with your head if you drop that much weight, even if it is all fat. Hell, this is the first time in 5 years that I’ve been under 200 lbs, and it took a bit for me to not freak out. I have to remind myself that in the end, you will actually look bigger when you have less bodyfat (unless of course you lose too much muscle in the process).
You wanna be the huge chiseled guy? then keep eating, but understand that if you get up to 220lbs, you’re not going to be 220 lbs of MUSCLE.
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What I meant though stu was those guys that look chisselled as shit but they are tiny. Like their arms may be all cut but they are small. If I ever bodybuild (which pretty much anyone with a goal in mind and a weight in their hands does) I would want to be BIGGER.
I’m not sure at what weight would be equivalent for the size I’m looking for but I would naturally assume<–great word by the way, that the more I weigh the more muscle I have. I have come to terms that building muscle is a slow process and to build lean muscle mass the right way two lbs a month would be a great gain. Seems slow to me but if that’s the way things are so be it.
Well, this opens the whole can of worms as to whether dieting down beofer you’ve reached your limits can be a detering factor. Or, just look at all of the sub 150lbs kids in the gym. They’re so concerned with their abs that 99% of them will never put on any serious size. I always said that if you’re trying to gain, but can still see all 6 abs, then you’re not eating enough.
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Every one is right as far as using “genetics” as an excuse. You may have a “bad injury” but never bad genetics. It’s true that some people have an easier time putting on muscle than others but that means you just have to work harder. The comment about trying tp look like Arnold is brilliant. You need to have inspiration in order to grow.
That’s why I come to this site. I like to hear advice and routines (the good and the bad) and see how I can better myself from it. Find a workout partner and watch alot of cheesy 80’s action movies (Commando) to give you the sort of inspiration you need to see results.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Well, this opens the whole can of worms as to whether dieting down beofer you’ve reached your limits can be a detering factor. Or, just look at all of the sub 150lbs kids in the gym. They’re so concerned with their abs that 99% of them will never put on any serious size. I always said that if you’re trying to gain, but can still see all 6 abs, then you’re not eating enough.
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Ha Ha, I like that
OP, I hope you understand why you’re catching so much shit here… look at a decent physique posted on here and look at the flaming that sometimes THEY get… then look at you… you have no real noticeable muscle especially under that layer of fat.
So if I were you, take UkpairehMombooto’s advice to heart… I started as a skinny-fat 6’1" 155 lbs and I’ve focused on getting heavier and heavier weights up (used the Rippetoe program and WS4SB mostly) and now I’m pressing almost 350 lbs, squatting 385 lbs ATG (it’s a work in progress), and pulling close to 495 with straps… and I’m definitely on my way. Now I’m over 205 lbs and this is in about a year of hard work.
Get in the gym, crank up the iPod, and move some heavy shit!
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
OP, I hope you understand why you’re catching so much shit here… look at a decent physique posted on here and look at the flaming that sometimes THEY get… then look at you… you have no real noticeable muscle especially under that layer of fat.
So if I were you, take UkpairehMombooto’s advice to heart… I started as a skinny-fat 6’1" 155 lbs and I’ve focused on getting heavier and heavier weights up (used the Rippetoe program and WS4SB mostly) and now I’m pressing almost 350 lbs, squatting 385 lbs ATG (it’s a work in progress), and pulling close to 495 with straps… and I’m definitely on my way. Now I’m over 205 lbs and this is in about a year of hard work.
Get in the gym, crank up the iPod, and move some heavy shit![/quote]
That’s really impressive
Getting muscle mass you once had is much much easier than building it up in the first place. Muscle loss while dieting is overblown, the only impact of losing LBM during a cut is the slowing of metabolism (also overblown) that may occur if your body unloads a large aount of LBM all of a sudden. At the end if your cut, you usually have increased insulin sensitivity and (if you held your muscle for a while) your muscle memory will return everything quite soon. All this assumig you keep lifting weights.
IMO anyone who wants to bodybuild seriously, whether natural or assisted, needs to go on at least 1-3 SERIOUS weight gaining periods (call it what you want) to establish the size and strength base, and build up sufficient muscle mass in the first place. Once the base has been established and you cut down to single digit bf or whatever, get the rebound anabolism of adding back carbs and rasing calories and stuff…you will be better served by not gaining too much fat over your In season weight (stay withing a stone’s throw) particularly if you want to compete every year. If youve been training ten years or so and have competed a few times successfully, I wouldn;t recommend gaining TOO much weight at that stage unless you are “assisted”.
From my experience seeing and working with bbers getting into the muscle gaining phase for the first time, they usually get more than a little porky, but are (hopefully) strong as fuck. Its difficult to place numbers on everybody because everyone has different levers and fiber ratios and whatnot (thats why I don;t like the idea that EVERYONE shd be capable of deadlifting 500 pounds or whatever). Strength GAINS are what you look for. Then they get disgusted with the blubber, their blood pressure gets a bit high, they cut down quickly and lose a good bit of muscle and end up looking smaller and somewhat soft. They then go around yakking about “bulking doesn;t work,…boo hoo hoo” and start the “SLOW lean bulk” the second time.
The rebound anabolism with muscle memory returns their lost muscle with no fat gain (usually) and since their bodies have adapted to the higher weight, they get back up close to the bulked up weight but leaner than before…and they then come around saying “lean bulking is DA bomb!” Go figure. I find it all very amusing. Once youve established certain weight set points for yur body, a size and strength base, the structural integrity to handle heavier weights and the mind-muscle connection…lean bulking to gain muscle with no fat gain works like a charm. Anyone with opinions here feel free to chime in.
Also endomorphs have the highest capacity to gain muscle mass particularly if they were heavy growing up. Getting outrageously lean is usually their achilles heel.
[quote]Manofsteel319 wrote:
What I meant though stu was those guys that look chisselled as shit but they are tiny. Like their arms may be all cut but they are small. If I ever bodybuild (which pretty much anyone with a goal in mind and a weight in their hands does) I would want to be BIGGER.
I’m not sure at what weight would be equivalent for the size I’m looking for but I would naturally assume<–great word by the way, that the more I weigh the more muscle I have. I have come to terms that building muscle is a slow process and to build lean muscle mass the right way two lbs a month would be a great gain. Seems slow to me but if that’s the way things are so be it. [/quote]