TBT is actually high frequency for each muscle group, im guessing you meant workouts in general though. you could do 4 days full body. Im not sure why you would need an entire day to focus on just one muscle group.
i’m definitely not someone who only likes tbt but i realized i was fighting for splits a lot lately when i really dont mind TBT. i like both and think they both have their places so whenever i see someone say they dont like splits/TBT i argue on the other side since i think both can work well
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I did mean workouts in general. And I like having splits because I like focusing on one or two muscle groups. With TBT, I always felt limited because I wanted to do various exercises for each bodypart, but TBT stops me with this. Yes, TBT does have it’s place though. When it’s football season, we have a TBT workout. But otherwise, I just like splits more.
Day 1: Quads dominant
Day 2: Pull (back, biceps, rear deltoids)
Day 3: Recovery
Day 4: Hips dominant
Day 5: Recovery
Day 6: Push (chest, triceps, deltoids)
Day 7: Recovery
Seems to fall more in line with what you said. Although I agree with other people too. I have done workouts and found results with plenty of antagonist work.
Some of my best gains have been made when I wasn’t using a program. Instead, I went into the gym with an idea of which movments I was gonna do, or which muscles I was gonna work, and just played it by ear.
There definately isn’t a perfect program, and if you do write the perfect program on paper, its not gonna be perfect when applied. Just lift and progress, thats all that matters.
[quote]AlterEgo721 wrote:
PROF X what about this split?
Day 1: Quads dominant
Day 2: Pull (back, biceps, rear deltoids)
Day 3: Recovery
Day 4: Hips dominant
Day 5: Recovery
Day 6: Push (chest, triceps, deltoids)
Day 7: Recovery
Seems to fall more in line with what you said. Although I agree with other people too. I have done workouts and found results with plenty of antagonist work.
What are your weeks split up into?[/quote]
That makes a lot more sense than what you had before…but just like another poster pointed out, how you progress beyond that is based on your RESULTS. If something isn’t working for you, you figure it out and change it. No amount of reading from anywhere is going to help you feel a muscle working. Trial and error is a part of this. You can’t bypass it unless you plan on being a blind follower of training gurus for the rest of your life and never one who can figure this shit out on his own.
do you mean arguing that tbt is the best way to train or arguing that it works at all? from reading your posts it seems like your definitely against that style of training in general
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Any program “works” if you are lifting heavy enough and eating enough to grow.
If, however, your goal is to actually look like you lift without promoting lagging body parts by completely ignoring things like lateral raises or grouping so many body parts on one day that you can never focus enough on any one muscle group, then I would avoid TBT.
If you claim you simply can’t make it to the gym more days a week, fine…but let’s stop pretending like the biggest fuckers around got that size by training “wrong”. It is a very retarded way to look at this.
If my goal is to be like those who are successful, even if we are talking real estate, my goal is to follow what the successful people did in majority…not what they SAY you should do alone and not by following those who never even became successful themselves.
If most huge bodybuilders trained a certain way, you can bet there is a reason for that. The guys who set the stage for what we now consider common knowledge were not complete morons. They watched other people. They kept what worked and over time tossed out what didn’t.
Gyms in the 70-90’s were their own lab experiments. Only recently are certain people acting like all of those guys were clueless.
LoL this is kinda funy but I see what X is saying. Alot of ppl now-a-days like to say…“O Arnold over trianed”…“He did such and such for this reason but thats not really what it helped…” Blablabla…Well jackass it looks like thats what fucking worked isnt it.
The point is OP you got to find your sweet spot and what your nich is.
do you mean arguing that tbt is the best way to train or arguing that it works at all? from reading your posts it seems like your definitely against that style of training in general
Any program “works” if you are lifting heavy enough and eating enough to grow.
If, however, your goal is to actually look like you lift without promoting lagging body parts by completely ignoring things like lateral raises or grouping so many body parts on one day that you can never focus enough on any one muscle group, then I would avoid TBT.
If you claim you simply can’t make it to the gym more days a week, fine…but let’s stop pretending like the biggest fuckers around got that size by training “wrong”. It is a very retarded way to look at this.
If my goal is to be like those who are successful, even if we are talking real estate, my goal is to follow what the successful people did in majority…not what they SAY you should do alone and not by following those who never even became successful themselves.
If most huge bodybuilders trained a certain way, you can bet there is a reason for that. The guys who set the stage for what we now consider common knowledge were not complete morons. They watched other people. They kept what worked and over time tossed out what didn’t.
Gyms in the 70-90’s were their own lab experiments. Only recently are certain people acting like all of those guys were clueless.[/quote]
i agree with you but as far as the biggest guys go dont you think that has a lot to do with steroids? i mean these guys can hit there muscles with 20 sets without it being too much and then they need a long time to recover. most natural trainings could probably hit there muscles again within 4 days or so (maybe less) without it being too much so why not work more frequently if you can without overreaching
i agree with you but as far as the biggest guys go dont you think that has a lot to do with steroids?
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That they see growth by using a training split that hits each muscle group about once a week? You think steroids are needed to make progress?
If your plan is to walk across a professional bodybuilding stage, steroids are pretty much a necessity. That doesn’t mean every guy you see with arms over 18" needed steroids to do it or that it erases the work they put in if they did.
While anabolics increase the rate of the growth, the same stimulus that would build those muscles is the same that would build them without them. Training frequency would be the greatest factor affected.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
AlterEgo721 wrote:
PROF X what about this split?
Day 1: Quads dominant
Day 2: Pull (back, biceps, rear deltoids)
Day 3: Recovery
Day 4: Hips dominant
Day 5: Recovery
Day 6: Push (chest, triceps, deltoids)
Day 7: Recovery
Seems to fall more in line with what you said. Although I agree with other people too. I have done workouts and found results with plenty of antagonist work.
What are your weeks split up into?
That makes a lot more sense than what you had before…but just like another poster pointed out, how you progress beyond that is based on your RESULTS. If something isn’t working for you, you figure it out and change it. No amount of reading from anywhere is going to help you feel a muscle working. Trial and error is a part of this. You can’t bypass it unless you plan on being a blind follower of training gurus for the rest of your life and never one who can figure this shit out on his own.[/quote]
Interesting, I guess we have a difference in training philosophy here.
I don’t like this program at all, for 2 reasons. The first is rather obvious from my previous post, I prefer more frequency than hitting a bodypart once a week. And secondly, my biggest issue with push/pull splits - ESPECIALLY set up like this with only 1 session per bodypart per week - is the significant overlap on the upper body days. Back and bis is not so bad, but chest/tris/AND shoulders on the same day?
OP, this of course is my opinion. I’ve tried all sorts of different splits and routines over the years, and I’ve found the one I described previously to give me the best results the fastest. But again, this may be, to some degree, a result of the way I train. That split works best FOR ME. Perhaps the split you put up will end up being great for you. Like the good Professor said, trial and error is not only a part of it, but almost a necessity. You’ll find what you like and what works best for you soon enough.
i agree with you but as far as the biggest guys go dont you think that has a lot to do with steroids?
That they see growth by using a training split that hits each muscle group about once a week? You think steroids are needed to make progress?
If your plan is to walk across a professional bodybuilding stage, steroids are pretty much a necessity. That doesn’t mean every guy you see with arms over 18" needed steroids to do it or that it erases the work they put in if they did.
While anabolics increase the rate of the growth, the same stimulus that would build those muscles is the same that would build them without them. Training frequency would be the greatest factor affected.
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training frequency per muscle or working out in general.
by my statement before i meant that they need to wait a week because they cause so much damage to the muscles which is necessary at there stage but at a lower stage you would not need say 20 sets for shoulders (as an example) so you would not need as much time to recover.
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
David1991 wrote:
i agree with you but as far as the biggest guys go dont you think that has a lot to do with steroids?
That they see growth by using a training split that hits each muscle group about once a week? You think steroids are needed to make progress?
If your plan is to walk across a professional bodybuilding stage, steroids are pretty much a necessity. That doesn’t mean every guy you see with arms over 18" needed steroids to do it or that it erases the work they put in if they did.
While anabolics increase the rate of the growth, the same stimulus that would build those muscles is the same that would build them without them. Training frequency would be the greatest factor affected.
training frequency per muscle or working out in general.
by my statement before i meant that they need to wait a week because they cause so much damage to the muscles which is necessary at there stage but at a lower stage you would not need say 20 sets for shoulders (as an example) so you would not need as much time to recover.
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They doubtfully need that much time to recover either and they will do as many sets as it takes to fatigue the muscle group with enough weight.
If a muscle recovers faster, then obviously the greatest difference would be how many times a muscle could be trained efficiently in a given amount of time.
The point I was making is that the basic stimulus is the same no matter what.
They doubtfully need that much time to recover either and they will do as many sets as it takes to fatigue the muscle group with enough weight.
If a muscle recovers faster, then obviously the greatest difference would be how many times a muscle could be trained efficiently in a given amount of time.
The point I was making is that the basic stimulus is the same no matter what.[/quote]
if you also feel they dont need an entire week to recover then why would you advocate working a muscle only once a week if you could work it more often without it being too much?
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Im not sure why you would need an entire day to focus on just one muscle group.
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Not trying to get in the middle of this, but this comment said a lot to me because I can relate. I remember when I was just starting I thought splits were stupid and it was such a waste of time to isolate body parts like many traditional bodybuilding templates.
I think as you get stronger, though, you realize why this is important. When I was your size (if the stats in your profile are correct), I definitely agreed, but as you pack on the muscle and strength, it gets tough to squat 400+, bench 300+, and deadlift 500+ all in the same workout week in and week out.
They doubtfully need that much time to recover either and they will do as many sets as it takes to fatigue the muscle group with enough weight.
If a muscle recovers faster, then obviously the greatest difference would be how many times a muscle could be trained efficiently in a given amount of time.
The point I was making is that the basic stimulus is the same no matter what.
if you also feel they dont need an entire week to recover then why would you advocate working a muscle only once a week if you could work it more often without it being too much?
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I’m sorry, are you now asking why I don’t recommend training all muscle groups several times a week because assisted lifters can do it?
I do work some muscle groups more often if I am prioritizing them. As has been said many times before, bodybuilding is really not for those who can’t think outside the box at all.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
David1991 wrote:
Im not sure why you would need an entire day to focus on just one muscle group.
Not trying to get in the middle of this, but this comment said a lot to me because I can relate. I remember when I was just starting I thought splits were stupid and it was such a waste of time to isolate body parts like many traditional bodybuilding templates.
I think as you get stronger, though, you realize why this is important. When I was your size (if the stats in your profile are correct), I definitely agreed, but as you pack on the muscle and strength, it gets tough to squat 400+, bench 300+, and deadlift 500+ all in the same workout week in and week out.
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Agreed. Build 20" arms and bench 405 for reps and then tell me about how you don’t see why you need to train one body part a day.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
David1991 wrote:
Im not sure why you would need an entire day to focus on just one muscle group.
Not trying to get in the middle of this, but this comment said a lot to me because I can relate. I remember when I was just starting I thought splits were stupid and it was such a waste of time to isolate body parts like many traditional bodybuilding templates.
I think as you get stronger, though, you realize why this is important. When I was your size (if the stats in your profile are correct), I definitely agreed, but as you pack on the muscle and strength, it gets tough to squat 400+, bench 300+, and deadlift 500+ all in the same workout week in and week out.
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no i understand that, im just talking about always needing one workout. i mean lets say you have your own shoulders day and that takes you 45min.
assuming you take 90sec. rest (a pretty decent amount of time) with each set taking 45 sec. that works out to be 20 sets just for shoulders. i doubt many people need 20 sets for shoulders.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry, are you now asking why I don’t recommend training all muscle groups several times a week because assisted lifters can do it?
I do work some muscle groups more often if I am prioritizing them. As has been said many times before, bodybuilding is really not for those who can’t think outside the box at all.
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no what im asking is why do you think most people should train muscles 1 time a week? do you think they actually need an entire week to recover before being able to effectively work the muscle again? (basically looking for your reasoning behind it)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Agreed. Build 20" arms and bench 405 for reps and then tell me about how you don’t see why you need to train one body part a day.[/quote]
i know a few guys who can do that who are big advocates of full body routines.