[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I went to that seminar last weekend and got to talk to Kroc for about an hour on friday and got to go out to dinner with him and a couple other guys after the saturday session. That photo actually makes him look smaller than real life. He is trying to get up to 275.[/quote]
Photo makes him look smaller?? Crap man. Any pics with you and Matt?
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Photoshop and steroids…at the same time.[/quote]
Photoshop - debatable
Steroids - who cares?
Luke[/quote]
Everyone cares.[/quote]
Wrong again. No-one cares.
Also, who is the ugly dude in your avatar??[/quote]
SARCASM ALERT. Also, as well as showing your inability to understand BLATANT sarcasm, you’ve offer a nice ad hominem attack to really drive your point forward and show how clever you are
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Photoshop and steroids…at the same time.[/quote]
Photoshop - debatable
Steroids - who cares?
Luke[/quote]
Everyone cares.[/quote]
Wrong again. No-one cares.
Also, who is the ugly dude in your avatar??[/quote]
You care, otherwise you wouldn’t be arguing and trying to insult me.
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Photoshop and steroids…at the same time.[/quote]
Photoshop - debatable
Steroids - who cares?
Luke[/quote]
Everyone cares.[/quote]
Wrong again. No-one cares.
Also, who is the ugly dude in your avatar??[/quote]
damn, you are a moron.
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]Voluminous wrote:
Who is to the right of Dave Tate ?
To my eyes he seems to be the biggest.[/quote]
Looks to be Brian Carroll.
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=110188&tid=189
Log says he’s around 270, probably 280 in the pic.
I can’t believe how Matt makes Frey look tiny. Could be due to a weird camera angle, thus some of the photoshop claims. I serially doubt Matt would photoshop his own picture lol
[/quote]
Well, I guess what the fan boys don’t get is that sometimes grown men make jokes, that on this site we like to have a fun time and the internet isn’t serious business.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]Voluminous wrote:
Who is to the right of Dave Tate ?
To my eyes he seems to be the biggest.[/quote]
Looks to be Brian Carroll.
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=110188&tid=189
Log says he’s around 270, probably 280 in the pic.
I can’t believe how Matt makes Frey look tiny. Could be due to a weird camera angle, thus some of the photoshop claims. I serially doubt Matt would photoshop his own picture lol
[/quote]
Well, I guess what the fan boys don’t get is that sometimes grown men make jokes, that on this site we like to have a fun time and the internet isn’t serious business.[/quote]
whatever.
teh internet = srs fuckhin bizness
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Which makes it all the more puzzling why Shelby apparently convinced Matt NOT to do Jr Nats this year because Kroc had actually gone backwards since this time last year - can’t find the spill where he said that, so I’m not sure of his exact words, but someone was talking about the progress PLers make as BBers and Shelby said Kroc hadnt made any - again, cant rememebr the exact words, but that was teh sentiment[/quote]
Are you sure about this? I remember reading the post in krocs log where he said he was going to wait till next year to compete again but I think he said that he and Shelby agreed he should just take another year to make some more progress and let his tricep heal.[/quote]
Yes. It was in a LiveSpill about progress. Something along the lines of “Bodybuilders - if you’re looking better in the mirror, dont worry about what the scale says. Powerlifters - if your lifts are going up dont worry about how you look in the mirror”
Again, I don’t remember the exact words, but in that LiveSpill someone else said something like “Wow! Harsh, dude!” which then led Shelby to respond that sometimes in the role of a coach its necessary to be harsh, and then CT came along and agreed, saying BB is so subjective, and a lot of these guys have hangers on and sychophants telling them how great they look, and then they step on stage and get exposed. Shelby also said that Kroc hadn’t emailed him weekly pics as he asks for in the off-season, and said he thoguht Kroc’s discipline with his off-season diet was to blame. I was actually surprised that nothing more was made of it, since right or wrong, Shelby is opening himself up by publically sharing his criticisms of Kroc. Maybe nothing more was made of it because it just slipped through the cracks
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Photoshop and steroids…at the same time.[/quote]
Photoshop - debatable
Steroids - who cares?
Luke[/quote]
Everyone cares.[/quote]
Wrong again. No-one cares.
Also, who is the ugly dude in your avatar??[/quote]
You care, otherwise you wouldn’t be arguing and trying to insult me. [/quote]
That cant be you man… no way.
heeee uggggglllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]Voluminous wrote:
Who is to the right of Dave Tate ?
To my eyes he seems to be the biggest.[/quote]
Looks to be Brian Carroll.
http://asp.elitefts.com/qa/training-logs.asp?qid=110188&tid=189
Log says he’s around 270, probably 280 in the pic.
I can’t believe how Matt makes Frey look tiny. Could be due to a weird camera angle, thus some of the photoshop claims. I serially doubt Matt would photoshop his own picture lol
[/quote]
Well, I guess what the fan boys don’t get is that sometimes grown men make jokes, that on this site we like to have a fun time and the internet isn’t serious business.[/quote]
whatever.
teh internet = srs fuckhin bizness[/quote]
Cereal, bitch.
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Photoshop and steroids…at the same time.[/quote]
Photoshop - debatable
Steroids - who cares?
Luke[/quote]
Everyone cares.[/quote]
Wrong again. No-one cares.
Also, who is the ugly dude in your avatar??[/quote]
You care, otherwise you wouldn’t be arguing and trying to insult me. [/quote]
That cant be you man… no way.
heeee uggggglllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy[/quote]
Yes, I’ve been telling that to the T-vixens that I’m one ugly motherfucker, but they insist that I’m just the cute and hawt. But, I am sure you’d much prefer the likes of DixiesFinest as your man crush.
damn, you need to be very big to make those guys look small like kroc does in that pic
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Well, I guess what the fan boys don’t get is that sometimes grown men make jokes, that on this site we like to have a fun time and the internet isn’t serious business.[/quote]
Oh, I got your jokes 
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Yes, I’ve been telling that to the T-vixens that I’m one ugly motherfucker, but they insist that I’m just the cute and hawt. But, I am sure you’d much prefer the likes of DixiesFinest as your man crush.[/quote]
Really?? I’m kind of partial to a brush cut 
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Which makes it all the more puzzling why Shelby apparently convinced Matt NOT to do Jr Nats this year because Kroc had actually gone backwards since this time last year - can’t find the spill where he said that, so I’m not sure of his exact words, but someone was talking about the progress PLers make as BBers and Shelby said Kroc hadnt made any - again, cant rememebr the exact words, but that was teh sentiment[/quote]
Are you sure about this? I remember reading the post in krocs log where he said he was going to wait till next year to compete again but I think he said that he and Shelby agreed he should just take another year to make some more progress and let his tricep heal.[/quote]
Yes. It was in a LiveSpill about progress. Something along the lines of “Bodybuilders - if you’re looking better in the mirror, dont worry about what the scale says. Powerlifters - if your lifts are going up dont worry about how you look in the mirror”
Again, I don’t remember the exact words, but in that LiveSpill someone else said something like “Wow! Harsh, dude!” which then led Shelby to respond that sometimes in the role of a coach its necessary to be harsh, and then CT came along and agreed, saying BB is so subjective, and a lot of these guys have hangers on and sychophants telling them how great they look, and then they step on stage and get exposed. Shelby also said that Kroc hadn’t emailed him weekly pics as he asks for in the off-season, and said he thoguht Kroc’s discipline with his off-season diet was to blame. I was actually surprised that nothing more was made of it, since right or wrong, Shelby is opening himself up by publically sharing his criticisms of Kroc. Maybe nothing more was made of it because it just slipped through the cracks[/quote]
Here it is:
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/750
Shelby: 3. Where’s the big changes year to year? Matt Kroc’s progress since his last bodybuilding show was so poor that I had to convince him to NOT do the Jr Nationals this year.
05-03-2011 16:46
Meteoroid Rage: Regarding point number 3, do you think that was a result of Kroc splitting his training between BBing and PLing or is there another factor for you?
Shelby: Probably had more to do with inconsistency in his nutrition than anything. Also, not keeping in touch with me. He’s a client of mine but I didn’t hear from him the whole offseason (even though I ask for weekly updates). That doesn’t work well if you want to make big improvements year to year.
05-03-2011 17:38
drdude720: Regarding point number 3- Harsh dude!
Shelby: Harsh? How about reality? People need ass-kicking if they want to excel, not ass-kissing.
Christian Thibaudeau: @ drdude… the worst thing a coach can be, especially in bodybuilding, is a cheerleader. In a sport judged on looks, the objectivity of a coach is the most important thing. And it’s part of building a solid relationship based on confidence… a lot of coaches act like cheerleaders with their bodybuilders… the bodybuilder then has big expectations and sometimes will slack off because of become too confident… then the show goes badly and the athlete will not trust the coach anymore
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I went to that seminar last weekend and got to talk to Kroc for about an hour on friday and got to go out to dinner with him and a couple other guys after the saturday session. That photo actually makes him look smaller than real life. He is trying to get up to 275.[/quote]
Photo makes him look smaller?? Crap man. Any pics with you and Matt?[/quote]
No I didn’t get any. I am probably a good 15-20lbs heavier than him though and he made me feel tiny. Probably the biggest guy there all weekend was Wenning. He is fucking enormous.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I went to that seminar last weekend and got to talk to Kroc for about an hour on friday and got to go out to dinner with him and a couple other guys after the saturday session. That photo actually makes him look smaller than real life. He is trying to get up to 275.[/quote]
Photo makes him look smaller?? Crap man. Any pics with you and Matt?[/quote]
No I didn’t get any. I am probably a good 15-20lbs heavier than him though and he made me feel tiny. Probably the biggest guy there all weekend was Wenning. He is fucking enormous.[/quote]
bigger than kroc ?
wow
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Which makes it all the more puzzling why Shelby apparently convinced Matt NOT to do Jr Nats this year because Kroc had actually gone backwards since this time last year - can’t find the spill where he said that, so I’m not sure of his exact words, but someone was talking about the progress PLers make as BBers and Shelby said Kroc hadnt made any - again, cant rememebr the exact words, but that was teh sentiment[/quote]
Are you sure about this? I remember reading the post in krocs log where he said he was going to wait till next year to compete again but I think he said that he and Shelby agreed he should just take another year to make some more progress and let his tricep heal.[/quote]
Yes. It was in a LiveSpill about progress. Something along the lines of “Bodybuilders - if you’re looking better in the mirror, dont worry about what the scale says. Powerlifters - if your lifts are going up dont worry about how you look in the mirror”
Again, I don’t remember the exact words, but in that LiveSpill someone else said something like “Wow! Harsh, dude!” which then led Shelby to respond that sometimes in the role of a coach its necessary to be harsh, and then CT came along and agreed, saying BB is so subjective, and a lot of these guys have hangers on and sychophants telling them how great they look, and then they step on stage and get exposed. Shelby also said that Kroc hadn’t emailed him weekly pics as he asks for in the off-season, and said he thoguht Kroc’s discipline with his off-season diet was to blame. I was actually surprised that nothing more was made of it, since right or wrong, Shelby is opening himself up by publically sharing his criticisms of Kroc. Maybe nothing more was made of it because it just slipped through the cracks[/quote]
Here it is:
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/750
Shelby: 3. Where’s the big changes year to year? Matt Kroc’s progress since his last bodybuilding show was so poor that I had to convince him to NOT do the Jr Nationals this year.
05-03-2011 16:46
Meteoroid Rage: Regarding point number 3, do you think that was a result of Kroc splitting his training between BBing and PLing or is there another factor for you?
Shelby: Probably had more to do with inconsistency in his nutrition than anything. Also, not keeping in touch with me. He’s a client of mine but I didn’t hear from him the whole offseason (even though I ask for weekly updates). That doesn’t work well if you want to make big improvements year to year.
05-03-2011 17:38
drdude720: Regarding point number 3- Harsh dude!
Shelby: Harsh? How about reality? People need ass-kicking if they want to excel, not ass-kissing.
Christian Thibaudeau: @ drdude… the worst thing a coach can be, especially in bodybuilding, is a cheerleader. In a sport judged on looks, the objectivity of a coach is the most important thing. And it’s part of building a solid relationship based on confidence… a lot of coaches act like cheerleaders with their bodybuilders… the bodybuilder then has big expectations and sometimes will slack off because of become too confident… then the show goes badly and the athlete will not trust the coach anymore
[/quote]
Damn, Shelby called him out. I am surprised he would out him publicly like that considering they are/were friends.
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Which makes it all the more puzzling why Shelby apparently convinced Matt NOT to do Jr Nats this year because Kroc had actually gone backwards since this time last year - can’t find the spill where he said that, so I’m not sure of his exact words, but someone was talking about the progress PLers make as BBers and Shelby said Kroc hadnt made any - again, cant rememebr the exact words, but that was teh sentiment[/quote]
Are you sure about this? I remember reading the post in krocs log where he said he was going to wait till next year to compete again but I think he said that he and Shelby agreed he should just take another year to make some more progress and let his tricep heal.[/quote]
Yes. It was in a LiveSpill about progress. Something along the lines of “Bodybuilders - if you’re looking better in the mirror, dont worry about what the scale says. Powerlifters - if your lifts are going up dont worry about how you look in the mirror”
Again, I don’t remember the exact words, but in that LiveSpill someone else said something like “Wow! Harsh, dude!” which then led Shelby to respond that sometimes in the role of a coach its necessary to be harsh, and then CT came along and agreed, saying BB is so subjective, and a lot of these guys have hangers on and sychophants telling them how great they look, and then they step on stage and get exposed. Shelby also said that Kroc hadn’t emailed him weekly pics as he asks for in the off-season, and said he thoguht Kroc’s discipline with his off-season diet was to blame. I was actually surprised that nothing more was made of it, since right or wrong, Shelby is opening himself up by publically sharing his criticisms of Kroc. Maybe nothing more was made of it because it just slipped through the cracks[/quote]
Here it is:
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/750
Shelby: 3. Where’s the big changes year to year? Matt Kroc’s progress since his last bodybuilding show was so poor that I had to convince him to NOT do the Jr Nationals this year.
05-03-2011 16:46
Meteoroid Rage: Regarding point number 3, do you think that was a result of Kroc splitting his training between BBing and PLing or is there another factor for you?
Shelby: Probably had more to do with inconsistency in his nutrition than anything. Also, not keeping in touch with me. He’s a client of mine but I didn’t hear from him the whole offseason (even though I ask for weekly updates). That doesn’t work well if you want to make big improvements year to year.
05-03-2011 17:38
drdude720: Regarding point number 3- Harsh dude!
Shelby: Harsh? How about reality? People need ass-kicking if they want to excel, not ass-kissing.
Christian Thibaudeau: @ drdude… the worst thing a coach can be, especially in bodybuilding, is a cheerleader. In a sport judged on looks, the objectivity of a coach is the most important thing. And it’s part of building a solid relationship based on confidence… a lot of coaches act like cheerleaders with their bodybuilders… the bodybuilder then has big expectations and sometimes will slack off because of become too confident… then the show goes badly and the athlete will not trust the coach anymore
[/quote]
Damn, Shelby called him out. I am surprised he would out him publicly like that considering they are/were friends.[/quote]
A coach may also be your friend, but he is also your COACH. His job is to guide you towards the goal, and if you are not listening to him, it is his obligation to call your ass out on it.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Which makes it all the more puzzling why Shelby apparently convinced Matt NOT to do Jr Nats this year because Kroc had actually gone backwards since this time last year - can’t find the spill where he said that, so I’m not sure of his exact words, but someone was talking about the progress PLers make as BBers and Shelby said Kroc hadnt made any - again, cant rememebr the exact words, but that was teh sentiment[/quote]
Are you sure about this? I remember reading the post in krocs log where he said he was going to wait till next year to compete again but I think he said that he and Shelby agreed he should just take another year to make some more progress and let his tricep heal.[/quote]
Yes. It was in a LiveSpill about progress. Something along the lines of “Bodybuilders - if you’re looking better in the mirror, dont worry about what the scale says. Powerlifters - if your lifts are going up dont worry about how you look in the mirror”
Again, I don’t remember the exact words, but in that LiveSpill someone else said something like “Wow! Harsh, dude!” which then led Shelby to respond that sometimes in the role of a coach its necessary to be harsh, and then CT came along and agreed, saying BB is so subjective, and a lot of these guys have hangers on and sychophants telling them how great they look, and then they step on stage and get exposed. Shelby also said that Kroc hadn’t emailed him weekly pics as he asks for in the off-season, and said he thoguht Kroc’s discipline with his off-season diet was to blame. I was actually surprised that nothing more was made of it, since right or wrong, Shelby is opening himself up by publically sharing his criticisms of Kroc. Maybe nothing more was made of it because it just slipped through the cracks[/quote]
Here it is:
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/750
Shelby: 3. Where’s the big changes year to year? Matt Kroc’s progress since his last bodybuilding show was so poor that I had to convince him to NOT do the Jr Nationals this year.
05-03-2011 16:46
Meteoroid Rage: Regarding point number 3, do you think that was a result of Kroc splitting his training between BBing and PLing or is there another factor for you?
Shelby: Probably had more to do with inconsistency in his nutrition than anything. Also, not keeping in touch with me. He’s a client of mine but I didn’t hear from him the whole offseason (even though I ask for weekly updates). That doesn’t work well if you want to make big improvements year to year.
05-03-2011 17:38
drdude720: Regarding point number 3- Harsh dude!
Shelby: Harsh? How about reality? People need ass-kicking if they want to excel, not ass-kissing.
Christian Thibaudeau: @ drdude… the worst thing a coach can be, especially in bodybuilding, is a cheerleader. In a sport judged on looks, the objectivity of a coach is the most important thing. And it’s part of building a solid relationship based on confidence… a lot of coaches act like cheerleaders with their bodybuilders… the bodybuilder then has big expectations and sometimes will slack off because of become too confident… then the show goes badly and the athlete will not trust the coach anymore
[/quote]
Damn, Shelby called him out. I am surprised he would out him publicly like that considering they are/were friends.[/quote]
A coach may also be your friend, but he is also your COACH. His job is to guide you towards the goal, and if you are not listening to him, it is his obligation to call your ass out on it.[/quote]
QFT Dixie.
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Which makes it all the more puzzling why Shelby apparently convinced Matt NOT to do Jr Nats this year because Kroc had actually gone backwards since this time last year - can’t find the spill where he said that, so I’m not sure of his exact words, but someone was talking about the progress PLers make as BBers and Shelby said Kroc hadnt made any - again, cant rememebr the exact words, but that was teh sentiment[/quote]
Are you sure about this? I remember reading the post in krocs log where he said he was going to wait till next year to compete again but I think he said that he and Shelby agreed he should just take another year to make some more progress and let his tricep heal.[/quote]
Yes. It was in a LiveSpill about progress. Something along the lines of “Bodybuilders - if you’re looking better in the mirror, dont worry about what the scale says. Powerlifters - if your lifts are going up dont worry about how you look in the mirror”
Again, I don’t remember the exact words, but in that LiveSpill someone else said something like “Wow! Harsh, dude!” which then led Shelby to respond that sometimes in the role of a coach its necessary to be harsh, and then CT came along and agreed, saying BB is so subjective, and a lot of these guys have hangers on and sychophants telling them how great they look, and then they step on stage and get exposed. Shelby also said that Kroc hadn’t emailed him weekly pics as he asks for in the off-season, and said he thoguht Kroc’s discipline with his off-season diet was to blame. I was actually surprised that nothing more was made of it, since right or wrong, Shelby is opening himself up by publically sharing his criticisms of Kroc. Maybe nothing more was made of it because it just slipped through the cracks[/quote]
Here it is:
http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/750
Shelby: 3. Where’s the big changes year to year? Matt Kroc’s progress since his last bodybuilding show was so poor that I had to convince him to NOT do the Jr Nationals this year.
05-03-2011 16:46
Meteoroid Rage: Regarding point number 3, do you think that was a result of Kroc splitting his training between BBing and PLing or is there another factor for you?
Shelby: Probably had more to do with inconsistency in his nutrition than anything. Also, not keeping in touch with me. He’s a client of mine but I didn’t hear from him the whole offseason (even though I ask for weekly updates). That doesn’t work well if you want to make big improvements year to year.
05-03-2011 17:38
drdude720: Regarding point number 3- Harsh dude!
Shelby: Harsh? How about reality? People need ass-kicking if they want to excel, not ass-kissing.
Christian Thibaudeau: @ drdude… the worst thing a coach can be, especially in bodybuilding, is a cheerleader. In a sport judged on looks, the objectivity of a coach is the most important thing. And it’s part of building a solid relationship based on confidence… a lot of coaches act like cheerleaders with their bodybuilders… the bodybuilder then has big expectations and sometimes will slack off because of become too confident… then the show goes badly and the athlete will not trust the coach anymore
[/quote]
Damn, Shelby called him out. I am surprised he would out him publicly like that considering they are/were friends.[/quote]
A coach may also be your friend, but he is also your COACH. His job is to guide you towards the goal, and if you are not listening to him, it is his obligation to call your ass out on it.[/quote]
QFT Dixie.[/quote]
I think there’s a difference - a very big difference - between doing so privately and doing so publicly.