1: Arnold
2: Toney
3: Kai
4: Branch
5: going to go out on a limb and say Lee Priest although my first thought was Sergio.
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#7
Sorry, this one didnât turn out that well. Iâm trying to find somewhat similar poses.
Gotta go to gym so I can look like these guys, not just at themâŠ
Iâll post the 7 originals a little later. Maybe do some more. Anyone else feel free to jump in and âsilouetteâ.
Arnold would win no matter what era he is in. hes a winner. Always has been a winner. Guys like that are just born winners. His Charisma, confidence would always shine through. If arnold competed today, he would simply be able to use the same drugs as the guys are doing now.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
Does anyone else feel that Arnie was a step down from Sergio Oliva?
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It was all politics and Weider trying to sell more magazines. Also, Oliva was notoriously difficult to deal with. He was the greatest bodybuilder at the time, and he knew it!
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Sergio Oliva couldnât hold a candle to arnold. lets get real here. My, how soon we all forget who the greatest of all time is. Donât let recent bad arnold press sway you from the truth. Arnold was bigger and more defined than sergio ever was.
[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
No, but if they lived today, theyâd look more like todays guys.[/quote]
This.
Those bodies were âthe lookâ that was favored in competition back then. A different look is winning now and those guys would be striving for that look if they were competing now.[/quote]
that is a damn shame. I have a lot of respect for what bbers of any era have accomplished, but todayâs bbers remind me of those dogs (bull whippets?) that lack some gene or another and get ridiculously huge. todayâs bbers barely appear human compared to classic bbers. Oliva might have been ridiculously huge but he appeared superhuman somehow and statuesque, and not just a conglomeration of slabs of muscle walking aroundâŠ
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nailed it on the head.
[quote]cdubs wrote:
[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
No, but if they lived today, theyâd look more like todays guys.[/quote]
This.
Those bodies were âthe lookâ that was favored in competition back then. A different look is winning now and those guys would be striving for that look if they were competing now.[/quote]
that is a damn shame. I have a lot of respect for what bbers of any era have accomplished, but todayâs bbers remind me of those dogs (bull whippets?) that lack some gene or another and get ridiculously huge. todayâs bbers barely appear human compared to classic bbers. Oliva might have been ridiculously huge but he appeared superhuman somehow and statuesque, and not just a conglomeration of slabs of muscle walking aroundâŠ
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nailed it on the head.
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Actually, they said the same damn thing about Arnold and Sergio back then.
Do you guys think ANYONE but them was walking around looking like that?
There were even fewer people into bodybuilding back thenâŠwhich means anyone here much over 220lbs lean would have looked like a true freak back then like we look at someone who is 300lbs of muscle.
That means the negative comments mean lessâŠbecause people have ALWAYS said the same shit about bodybuilders.
The only difference now is that many of you have been desensitized to it so you think the older guys were actually accepted back then.
They werenât.
They were freaks back then just like bodybuilders today.
[quote]Matthaeus wrote:
1: Arnold
2: Toney
3: Kai
4: Branch
5: going to go out on a limb and say Lee Priest although my first thought was Sergio.[/quote]
Same but 2 is ronnie, 5 IS sergio, 6 is Mr. Haney. That was fun SteelyD!
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
Does anyone else feel that Arnie was a step down from Sergio Oliva?
[/quote]
It was all politics and Weider trying to sell more magazines. Also, Oliva was notoriously difficult to deal with. He was the greatest bodybuilder at the time, and he knew it!
S[/quote]
Sergio Oliva couldnât hold a candle to arnold. lets get real here. My, how soon we all forget who the greatest of all time is. Donât let recent bad arnold press sway you from the truth. Arnold was bigger and more defined than sergio ever was. [/quote]
Im going to have to disagree. Arnie is nowhere near the greatest of all time.
I agree the advancements in the drugs would improve their apperance but Arnie would never stand with Mr Oâs.
In pumping iron he takes a very questionable victory, i would have put him 3rd. And especially behind Franco.
And if your argument about his charisma etc. is to be taken seriously then you basically aceept he wouldnt win with the best physique but becasuse his face matched the image the bb world wanted to project.
http://www.bodybuildingsecrets.com/articles/jim_cordovas_world_champion_secrets.php
Arnie draws comparisons with Cordova (natural).
To think of Arnie standing on stage with todays drug assisted bodybuilders is ridiculous
Peopleâs Victory, well said. Being successful or famous has NEVER been about truly being the best. Does anyone here think Bill Gates is the smartest man in the world? is he even the most business savvy? Is he the best looking?
Hell no. He has good people around him and made good decisions at THE RIGHT TIMES.
That is why Arnold was more well knownâŠbecause it was the freaking 60âs and no one wanted Robby Robinson leading the image or being the face of bodybuilding back then. It has never been because he was truly the best developed.
He had insane biceps peaks and charismaâŠbut he also jumped in at the right time.
He would not experience the same being born in 1975 or later.
Arnold would have as much chance of winning an Olympia today as he would winning an Oscar. I get tired of people referring to him as âthe greatestâ. Obviously he looked good but his advantage was that he was marketable and therefore treated favorably. Like Prof said, he came in at the right time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
I totally agree about Arnie. He wouldnt stand a chance.
And Zane couldnt meet the standard of todays world class natural bodybuilders (nevermind drug assisted). It would be embarissing if he were to be on stage with the likes of Jim Cordova.
But Franco? His back surpased anyone in history of 202 in my opinion. He also has one of the thickest upper chests bodybuilding has ever seen. Plus he had room to improve. He weighted near 20lbs under the 202 division. I believe if he had been in todays bodybuilding scene he could have stepped up (cometh the hour, cometh the man) the required amount (in the small areas he lacked), and beaten anyone in the 202 division .
Does anyone else feel that Arnie was a step down from Sergio Oliva?
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Sergio made Arnold look like Zane, but Arnold was more consistently in better condition. Sergio only was in top shape about 1/3 of the time.[/quote]
They didnât really give âconditionâ much of a concern back then. These guys werenât looking for striations in their glutes at that time.
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Even though todayâs guys ARE going for striated glutes, I donât think theyâre an imperative as far as the judges are concerned. Frankly, I donât care to see a competitorâs ass cheeks. Do you, or any other guy here?
I remember once reading an old interview with Lee Priest. He criticized Ronnie Coleman for being onstage with his trunks up his ass the whole time. With all due respect to Ronnieâs greatness, I gotta agree with Lee on that one.
lol
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
I totally agree about Arnie. He wouldnt stand a chance.
And Zane couldnt meet the standard of todays world class natural bodybuilders (nevermind drug assisted). It would be embarissing if he were to be on stage with the likes of Jim Cordova.
But Franco? His back surpased anyone in history of 202 in my opinion. He also has one of the thickest upper chests bodybuilding has ever seen. Plus he had room to improve. He weighted near 20lbs under the 202 division. I believe if he had been in todays bodybuilding scene he could have stepped up (cometh the hour, cometh the man) the required amount (in the small areas he lacked), and beaten anyone in the 202 division .
Does anyone else feel that Arnie was a step down from Sergio Oliva?
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Sergio made Arnold look like Zane, but Arnold was more consistently in better condition. Sergio only was in top shape about 1/3 of the time.[/quote]
They didnât really give âconditionâ much of a concern back then. These guys werenât looking for striations in their glutes at that time.
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Even though todayâs guys ARE going for striated glutes, I donât think theyâre an imperative as far as the judges are concerned. Frankly, I donât care to see a competitorâs ass cheeks. Do you, or any other guy here?
I remember once reading an old interview with Lee Priest. He criticized Ronnie Coleman for being onstage with his trunks up his ass the whole time. With all due respect to Ronnieâs greatness, I gotta agree with Lee on that one.
lol[/quote]
I think it is retarded to even have these guys near death in that condition. NONE of them could hold that shit long term. I seriously doubt Arnold was even ever a true 6% body fat on stage. He would be called âfatâ by todayâs standards.
No, it may not mean much to us, but I do think some backwards judges award points just for that. Today, conditioning is even more important than just the muscle.
That is where most of the health risk lies, by the way. It is NOT in the steroid use.
awesome thread, good discussion. steely great job on the pics. i think people have picked them right, like 2 iâm not 100% on.
not to feed the troll but i now read/see enough on here to know roguevampire is a skinny dude w/ a fake avatar. come on, Arnold was the freak of the day minus Sergio but he wouldnât win today looking as he did then. donât reply because iâm not going discuss shit w/ you.
if Arnold had all the same resources today as others and the mindset to have bigger legs, shoulders, back, triceps iâm sure heâs do well but to compare him to todayâs crop is silly.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
I totally agree about Arnie. He wouldnt stand a chance.
And Zane couldnt meet the standard of todays world class natural bodybuilders (nevermind drug assisted). It would be embarissing if he were to be on stage with the likes of Jim Cordova.
But Franco? His back surpased anyone in history of 202 in my opinion. He also has one of the thickest upper chests bodybuilding has ever seen. Plus he had room to improve. He weighted near 20lbs under the 202 division. I believe if he had been in todays bodybuilding scene he could have stepped up (cometh the hour, cometh the man) the required amount (in the small areas he lacked), and beaten anyone in the 202 division .
Does anyone else feel that Arnie was a step down from Sergio Oliva?
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Sergio made Arnold look like Zane, but Arnold was more consistently in better condition. Sergio only was in top shape about 1/3 of the time.[/quote]
They didnât really give âconditionâ much of a concern back then. These guys werenât looking for striations in their glutes at that time.
[/quote]
Even though todayâs guys ARE going for striated glutes, I donât think theyâre an imperative as far as the judges are concerned. Frankly, I donât care to see a competitorâs ass cheeks. Do you, or any other guy here?
I remember once reading an old interview with Lee Priest. He criticized Ronnie Coleman for being onstage with his trunks up his ass the whole time. With all due respect to Ronnieâs greatness, I gotta agree with Lee on that one.
lol[/quote]
I think it is retarded to even have these guys near death in that condition. NONE of them could hold that shit long term. I seriously doubt Arnold was even ever a true 6% body fat on stage. He would be called âfatâ by todayâs standards.
No, it may not mean much to us, but I do think some backwards judges award points just for that. Today, conditioning is even more important than just the muscle.
That is where most of the health risk lies, by the way. It is NOT in the steroid use.[/quote]
Agree. However, with so many top guys bringing it on with complete and balanced development, donât you think the âconditioningâ requirement is used to delineate their placings at that point⊠at least ideally?
Itâs like in wrestling when the slogan says, âAll things being equal, the stronger man winsâ.
Of course when someone like Branch Warren comes in MOST conditioned still looks like an unbalanced grouping of bodyparts otherwise and still makes the top 6, I could see how that system needs to be re-worked.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
I totally agree about Arnie. He wouldnt stand a chance.
And Zane couldnt meet the standard of todays world class natural bodybuilders (nevermind drug assisted). It would be embarissing if he were to be on stage with the likes of Jim Cordova.
But Franco? His back surpased anyone in history of 202 in my opinion. He also has one of the thickest upper chests bodybuilding has ever seen. Plus he had room to improve. He weighted near 20lbs under the 202 division. I believe if he had been in todays bodybuilding scene he could have stepped up (cometh the hour, cometh the man) the required amount (in the small areas he lacked), and beaten anyone in the 202 division .
Does anyone else feel that Arnie was a step down from Sergio Oliva?
[/quote]
Sergio made Arnold look like Zane, but Arnold was more consistently in better condition. Sergio only was in top shape about 1/3 of the time.[/quote]
They didnât really give âconditionâ much of a concern back then. These guys werenât looking for striations in their glutes at that time.
[/quote]
Even though todayâs guys ARE going for striated glutes, I donât think theyâre an imperative as far as the judges are concerned. Frankly, I donât care to see a competitorâs ass cheeks. Do you, or any other guy here?
I remember once reading an old interview with Lee Priest. He criticized Ronnie Coleman for being onstage with his trunks up his ass the whole time. With all due respect to Ronnieâs greatness, I gotta agree with Lee on that one.
lol[/quote]
while iâm not a fan of the man ass before 11am, i must say for guys like kai w/ great glutes and hamstrings itâs a strength to show off. youâre right though, while hammies are cool to have, in terms of looking at the male physique back, shoulders, quads, chest, arms beat looking at man ass.
i do think it speaks to the level of conditioning guys are getting these days though. 1970âs guys had some fat in the ass hence the larger trucks, it wasnât a necessary thing in judges eyes.
Redemption jokes: knock knock -whoâs there- i eat mop- try it ona friend good times, critize thereafter for being grossâŠthatâs gross dude.
what is the difference between jelly and jam?
i cannot jelly my cock in-between Kai Greeneâs striated glutes (pause/no homo).
Comparing Bodybuilders of different eras is ridiculous in itself. Itâs not that People This day in age are able to untap more human potential, but they simply have a greater amount of scientific knowledge to apply to their growth, including better supplements, drugs, and actual knowledge about how the body responds and reacts to stimuli (IE Dieting, training, etc). This argument is like arguing if a computer from 30years ago could run with the computers of today. Of course it couldnt, because it wasnt built like that.
adding after reading. youâre correct these guys getting down to sub 3% bf is silly health wise, organ function, nervous system fuction, all sorts of things get thrown out of wack at that level of leaness.
WowâŠit seems phil is holding a small film of water between his spleen and small intestine, you can see it as he turns to the side.