i think Yates was the first to have the “physique of the future”
Put Arnold on gh, insulin ect and he will do just fine
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
Put Arnold on gh, insulin ect and he will do just fine[/quote]
Lets not forget eliminating that whole Training for 5+ hrs a day stuff.
hmmm
lol
imagine them freaking out if Jai posed back then looking the way he does now…
I think thats a more interesting thought
[quote]alfranglez wrote:
Hi everyone. I was just wondering how a body like the old-school bodybuilders like Arnold, Franco or Zane would do against the modern behemoths that currently rule the Mr. Olympia? Would a body like that stand a fighting chance and why?[/quote]
All of those 3 would show major weaknesses side by side with guys today. I believe firmly that Sergio Oliva, in top shape had the greatest physique ever though. In top shape I would put him ahead of Haney and Yates. He would start to lag in size a little but had better structure than guys from the late 90s and on. He could win given a certain judging preference.
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
I totally agree about Arnie. He wouldnt stand a chance.
And Zane couldnt meet the standard of todays world class natural bodybuilders (nevermind drug assisted). It would be embarissing if he were to be on stage with the likes of Jim Cordova.
But Franco? His back surpased anyone in history of 202 in my opinion. He also has one of the thickest upper chests bodybuilding has ever seen. Plus he had room to improve. He weighted near 20lbs under the 202 division. I believe if he had been in todays bodybuilding scene he could have stepped up (cometh the hour, cometh the man) the required amount (in the small areas he lacked), and beaten anyone in the 202 division .
Does anyone else feel that Arnie was a step down from Sergio Oliva?
[/quote]
Sergio made Arnold look like Zane, but Arnold was more consistently in better condition. Sergio only was in top shape about 1/3 of the time.
Poliquin quotes Lee Labrada in a recent article, and I think he summed it well:
"?It should be called professional mass building,? says Labrada. ?Symmetry and aesthetics went out the window a long time ago.
In my day you could put any of the top physiques behind a screen in front of a light and 90 percent of the audience would know instantly who that bodybuilder was from his silhouette alone. Arnold, Zane, Franco, Makkawy, Platz or whoever ? the outlines of their bodies were unmistakably individual. Today, with little or no exception they all look pretty much the same.?
Labrada makes a good point. As one of my colleagues joked, ?The only way Frank Zane could make an appearance at the Mr. Olympia today would be as an usher.?"
[quote]xilinx wrote:
Poliquin quotes Lee Labrada in a recent article, and I think he summed it well:
"?It should be called professional mass building,? says Labrada. ?Symmetry and aesthetics went out the window a long time ago.
In my day you could put any of the top physiques behind a screen in front of a light and 90 percent of the audience would know instantly who that bodybuilder was from his silhouette alone. Arnold, Zane, Franco, Makkawy, Platz or whoever ? the outlines of their bodies were unmistakably individual. Today, with little or no exception they all look pretty much the same.?
Labrada makes a good point. As one of my colleagues joked, ?The only way Frank Zane could make an appearance at the Mr. Olympia today would be as an usher.?"
[/quote]
That would have been a good point in the late 90’s early 00’s, not so much now.
I GUARANTEE if you put Kai Greene, Phil Heath, Branch Warren and Tony Freeman behind a screen, everyone would be able to pick out who they are by silhouette.
GUARANTEED.
I do agree about Zane. He would not win an NPC level contest today, let alone an Olympia.
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]Peoples Victory wrote:
I totally agree about Arnie. He wouldnt stand a chance.
And Zane couldnt meet the standard of todays world class natural bodybuilders (nevermind drug assisted). It would be embarissing if he were to be on stage with the likes of Jim Cordova.
But Franco? His back surpased anyone in history of 202 in my opinion. He also has one of the thickest upper chests bodybuilding has ever seen. Plus he had room to improve. He weighted near 20lbs under the 202 division. I believe if he had been in todays bodybuilding scene he could have stepped up (cometh the hour, cometh the man) the required amount (in the small areas he lacked), and beaten anyone in the 202 division .
Does anyone else feel that Arnie was a step down from Sergio Oliva?
[/quote]
Sergio made Arnold look like Zane, but Arnold was more consistently in better condition. Sergio only was in top shape about 1/3 of the time.[/quote]
They didn’t really give “condition” much of a concern back then. These guys weren’t looking for striations in their glutes at that time.
This was before the time of excess diuretics use.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]xilinx wrote:
Poliquin quotes Lee Labrada in a recent article, and I think he summed it well:
"?It should be called professional mass building,? says Labrada. ?Symmetry and aesthetics went out the window a long time ago.
In my day you could put any of the top physiques behind a screen in front of a light and 90 percent of the audience would know instantly who that bodybuilder was from his silhouette alone. Arnold, Zane, Franco, Makkawy, Platz or whoever ? the outlines of their bodies were unmistakably individual. Today, with little or no exception they all look pretty much the same.?
Labrada makes a good point. As one of my colleagues joked, ?The only way Frank Zane could make an appearance at the Mr. Olympia today would be as an usher.?"
[/quote]
That would have been a good point in the late 90’s early 00’s, not so much now.
I GUARANTEE if you put Kai Greene, Phil Heath, Branch Warren and Tony Freeman behind a screen, everyone would be able to pick out who they are by silhouette.
GUARANTEED.
I do agree about Zane. He would not win an NPC level contest today, let alone an Olympia.[/quote]
Maybe, with the amount of media ,clips, and images available on the net, you’d be able to make the diff (also, you picked well!). But I suggest that the basic point remains true.
As for Zane, sure, he’s way too small to win now, but in my opinion, bodybuilding sould take the aesthetics of Zane and push them further, instead of becoming a beef competition. Heath might pull the game away from that to some degree.
Right, certainly seems as though some people agree with me, (I thought I was going mad)…
Sergio Oliva = better than Arnie.
he would win if everyone call in sick
[quote]xilinx wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]xilinx wrote:
Poliquin quotes Lee Labrada in a recent article, and I think he summed it well:
"?It should be called professional mass building,? says Labrada. ?Symmetry and aesthetics went out the window a long time ago.
In my day you could put any of the top physiques behind a screen in front of a light and 90 percent of the audience would know instantly who that bodybuilder was from his silhouette alone. Arnold, Zane, Franco, Makkawy, Platz or whoever ? the outlines of their bodies were unmistakably individual. Today, with little or no exception they all look pretty much the same.?
Labrada makes a good point. As one of my colleagues joked, ?The only way Frank Zane could make an appearance at the Mr. Olympia today would be as an usher.?"
[/quote]
That would have been a good point in the late 90’s early 00’s, not so much now.
I GUARANTEE if you put Kai Greene, Phil Heath, Branch Warren and Tony Freeman behind a screen, everyone would be able to pick out who they are by silhouette.
GUARANTEED.
I do agree about Zane. He would not win an NPC level contest today, let alone an Olympia.[/quote]
Maybe, with the amount of media ,clips, and images available on the net, you’d be able to make the diff (also, you picked well!). But I suggest that the basic point remains true.
As for Zane, sure, he’s way too small to win now, but in my opinion, bodybuilding sould take the aesthetics of Zane and push them further, instead of becoming a beef competition. Heath might pull the game away from that to some degree. [/quote]
I would say it has always been about exposure of PERSONALITIES, and not just bodies. There was a huge lag through the 90’s where they had the same guys competing but no new interest. That has now changed.
Of course people could pick Arnold in a crowd. He was very popular and the images have been around for over half a century. They are essentially a part of pop culture to some degree now.
The same can now be said about guys like Ronnie, Kai, Jay and Phil, largely due to internet exposure.
[quote]xilinx wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]xilinx wrote:
Poliquin quotes Lee Labrada in a recent article, and I think he summed it well:
"?It should be called professional mass building,? says Labrada. ?Symmetry and aesthetics went out the window a long time ago.
In my day you could put any of the top physiques behind a screen in front of a light and 90 percent of the audience would know instantly who that bodybuilder was from his silhouette alone. Arnold, Zane, Franco, Makkawy, Platz or whoever ? the outlines of their bodies were unmistakably individual. Today, with little or no exception they all look pretty much the same.?
Labrada makes a good point. As one of my colleagues joked, ?The only way Frank Zane could make an appearance at the Mr. Olympia today would be as an usher.?"
[/quote]
That would have been a good point in the late 90’s early 00’s, not so much now.
I GUARANTEE if you put Kai Greene, Phil Heath, Branch Warren and Tony Freeman behind a screen, everyone would be able to pick out who they are by silhouette.
GUARANTEED.
I do agree about Zane. He would not win an NPC level contest today, let alone an Olympia.[/quote]
Maybe, with the amount of media ,clips, and images available on the net, you’d be able to make the diff (also, you picked well!). But I suggest that the basic point remains true.
As for Zane, sure, he’s way too small to win now, but in my opinion, bodybuilding sould take the aesthetics of Zane and push them further, instead of becoming a beef competition. Heath might pull the game away from that to some degree. [/quote]
Could be fun.
Thought about starting a new thread, but since this already has momentum, let’s do it here:
WHO AM I?
Good work man
Ehhh i wanna say Kai is #3.
