About C_C and GH15:
GH15 is a drug guru. I’ve never read anything by anyone who claimed to have been helped by him so I won’t judge his advices here because I dunno what kind of advice he gave those people. [
But taking into consideration that he is constantly telling people you can’t get anywhere without drugs and you should take more drugs if you wanna get bigger/stronger, I’d wage that if I was
having trouble with my bench and building my chest he’d tell me to take one gram of test and tren. If I take one gram of test and tren anything will improve regardless of what I’m doing, so it’s basically the easy way out to something
that could’ve been approached differently. It’s cookie cutter advice. “Take more drugs”.
C_C is a walking physiology encyclopedia. C_C doesn’t talk about drugs or gives advice about drugs. He will tell you in detail anything from Ed Coan’s/Bill Kazmeier’s linear periodization and the conjugate method,
on his thoughts on different forms of rows and how training triceps after shoulders carries a risk of injury. If I had trouble building my chest and increasing my bench he’d ask me what my sticking points where and prescribe an approach to increase my bench and suggest several assistance exercises to accomplish both things. If that didn’t worked he’d keep on saying what could work and ask me to send videos so he could evaluate my form and give more advices from there. He has helped me this way and I can tell it works and he knows what he does. He even helped me set up my diet in the past. For free.
C_C doesn’t boast to know everything about anything at any given time. While GH15 goes the extra length to claim he personally knows every competitor, to the point where he says Lee Priest has schizophrenia and Jay Cutler is gay or whatever.
C_C is a guy that just helps.
About drug tolerance:
There are individuals who are more tolerant to toxic substances. That’s a fact, otherwise anesthesiologists wouldn’t have to trial which sedatives would be best suited for a patient before an operation. However, that doesn’t mean that if
just because I’m more tolerant to a certain substances, that I can take a lot of it and still don’t get problems in the long run. If I can take 100mg of arsenic and not die from it while other people are dropping dead from the same dose, that doesn’t mean I won’t get into trouble by taking 1000mg of it, even if I survive it will constantly take a toll on my body and eventually I’ll die. Some people can maybe get away with taking 2 grams of test while others are having to stop doing it because of sides, but keep this up for a long period of time, say 5-10 years and there is no magic “gene” that will keep damage from happening to you. Most guys that are saying they can get away with abuse haven’t been doing it long enough to see shit happen.
The argument about smokers and drinkers wouldn’t be applicable here. Several different factors and scenarios can come into play. Someone who drinks regularly for 20 years might not drink as frequently and as intensely as someone who has been drinking for 2 years and got fatty liver disease. The long term smoker might smoke 4 cigarettes a day while the short term smoker might be smoking 4 packages a day. The long term drinker might not be on a certain medication that causes liver stress while the short term drinker was taking advil everyday and this caused further stress on his liver. The same with someone who have been cycling on and off 500-800mg testosterone regularly for 20 years in comparison to someone who has been blasting with 2 grams of anabolics and cruising with 1 gram for 5 years. Which one is more likely to get into trouble ?
The way people make this “magical drug gene” sound is as if it’s a gene that shields you from long term effects, not as natural tolerance. I repeat, there is not such thing as a gene that will shield you from long term side effects. Dante Trudell has talked about this, several guys have talked about this, including some other “gurus” from PM.
The same way there are people who are more tolerant there are also those that respond magically to whatever they take, hence why I believe Lee Priest when he said he took X ammount of X substance and blew up like a ballon.
About my view on drug abuse and health
“Healthy” (as in someone who uses hormones): Bloodwork withing acceptable parameters; Normal blood pressure; Non compromised liver or kidneys. In other words, in no risk of dying out of the blue.
“Stupid ammount of drugs”: Anything close or over 1000-1200 grams for more than 10 weeks. Anything over 2 iu GH. That’s for people trying to make a living. Recreational lifters have no business touching those dosages. Dorian revealed his cycle last year, it totaled 1250g, and it was a pre-contest stack. If a freak like Yates used “little” then there’s absolutely no reason for people to be using 2000 grams of drugs or over.
About personally knowing IFBB pros.
No, right now I can’t say I personally know anyone. I exchanged some emails with a few people but that’s not enough to say I “know” someone. I’m basing my point on what I learned when I was on med school, and from reading subject related posts by knowledgeable people. I also base my point on a few drops of common sense. Drugs, specially GH, are expensive ( used the way people think they should be used anyway ). Bodybuilders don’t make much money, the prize for Mr.O is 300k. These people have families, they have houses and cars and payments to make, some of them have kids others try to start their own businesses. Do you think anyone in their sane mind would spend 15k on drugs while they have a family to provide for ? These guys don’t simply go around and say “hey kid, I can’t get you that toy you wanted, or get you a college fund, I need another kit.” This is unlikely imo. GH15 can say all he wants that bodybuilders are crazy and drug addicts but putting your drug use over your family is crack addict behaviour and I assure you hormones don’t get you addicted. ( Besides if a guy is calling bodybuilders crazy and drug addicts, while claiming to be a bodybuilder, what does this says about the guy ?).
Yeah long post. Let me know if I didn’t address one of your point or if I left anything unsaid or not confusing. Quite tired.
