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[quote]Ericka wrote:
WTF=I would seriously love to hear you say anything of this nature to room full of powerlifters. That would be comical.[/quote]

You make it sound like I’m looking for a fight. I’m getting too old for that crap; we’re just talking here. If they wanted to sit down and discuss the use of gear in the sport, kind of like we’re doing here, I’d be all for it. My guess is at least one of them would have a good common sense rebuttal for me, unlike I’ve seen here.

I’m hoping to learn something new, but so far all I’ve found out is powerlifters are very sensitive about their lift numbers.

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[quote]wtf wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
Not true. No fucking leg drive.

Maybe tail drive then. His tail is pretty yoked.[/quote]

I think the tail would be overmatched just counterstabilizing.

Not sensitive about their numbers, just how they get there apparently.

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When every post you make is either attacking or insulting powerlifitng or a particular lifter, you’re not going to get much of a reasonable debate. You will garner angry responses and defensiveness, which is apparently what makes you happy.

That, along with your seeming predjudice against anyone who is not “ripped”, makes you sound like an internet troll, and not much more.

[quote]wtf wrote:
You make it sound like I’m looking for a fight. I’m getting too old for that crap; we’re just talking here. If they wanted to sit down and discuss the use of gear in the sport, kind of like we’re doing here, I’d be all for it. My guess is at least one of them would have a good common sense rebuttal for me, unlike I’ve seen here.

I’m hoping to learn something new, but so far all I’ve found out is powerlifters are very sensitive about their lift numbers. [/quote]

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[quote]slattimer wrote:
…along with your seeming predjudice against anyone who is not “ripped”, makes you sound like an internet troll, and not much more.
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Oh, so now I’m an obesity bigot? Give me a break dude. I’m not pointing and laughing at a bunch of overweight grade schoolers here. We’re talking about a sport were the participants eat themselves into that condition in order to get an edge. They were it as a badge of honor.

It’s like the special on Sumo Wrestlers I saw a while back. I was amazed, disgusted, and riveted all at the same time.

How can you not be intrigued by such a seemingly bizarre culture? That show could have just as easily been about powerlifters and their lifestyle.

You think no one ever questions the fucking diaper things the Sumo’s wear?

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“That guy should get no recognition at all. He’s a tubby fuck who benched 1k ONCE. I’d love to see someone with pectorals do that, and at least a 4 pack” -Vince12413
I was bench pressing 235, squating 255, and lifting heavier weights for my other work outs aswell. -Vince12413 from another thread
He also stated he’s 6’3" 178 lbs

Gene Rychlak benched ONE THOUSAND LBS!!! You are so retarded its not even funny. He benched pressed 5 times more than you, he even benched more than you pound for pound, and hes just a “tubby fuck” Yea, he used equipment, it wasnt raw, he weighs more, bla bla bla. He did something you will never come halfway to doing. Ugh you are retarded. By the way, lattimer is a beast!!

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Actually I’ve seen you go on pretty much any post about powerlifting and say stupid shit about powerlifters not being able to get off the toilet without a squat suit, sarcastically referring to them as athletes, and make cracks about people’s looks (people who could really care less), so it doesn’t sound like you’re interested in a discussion as opposed to pushing people’s buttons.

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[quote]wtf wrote:

Oh, so now I’m an obesity bigot?
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You are the one making fat jokes about powerlifters. Basically, you are very nasty comments about personal friends of mine, both on this thread and others. I have seen three threads here for the last few days, where you continually attack and make vile comments about powerlifters. it certainly appears to be fun for you. I certainly haven’t seen any pictures of you, or evidence of your best lifts, or even your real name. Pretty gutsy guy, aren’t you??

But of course, you are above reproach, as you certainly consider yourself better than all those you speak of.

If you wanted to have an honest debate on any facet of the sport of powerlifting, leaving out the insults woud have been a good way to start.

You seem to have a very negative opinion of all powerlifters. You keep using generalities like “these people”. Have you ever been to a powerlifting meet? Its the most eclectic gathering of people I have ever witnessed, from height, weight bodyfat, nationality, religion, etc. All different sorts of people powerlift. But, according to you, “these people” eat themselves into obesity to lift. Lets see, have you ever seen Scot Mendelson or Ryan Kennelly? How about a middleweight, like Scott Rabine? Lightweight Joe Mazza? They all have 6-pack abs and incredible physiques.

You speak in a narrowminded, attacking manner, and find it humerous that you upset people.

I usually stay out of this sort of stuff, and I don’t normally post here much, but you are out of hand. In person, I’m sure you would be perfectly polite an courteous to any powerlifter. But, over the safety of the internet, you feel free to get your rocks off pissing people off.

You sound like an incredibly weak person to me.

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[quote]wtf wrote:
We’re talking about a sport were the participants eat themselves into that condition in order to get an edge.
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This statement does not apply to powerlifters (three lift lifters)…

having an huge gut can help out a bench only competitor…not going to argue that point…

but having a huge gut generally destroys a persons deadlifting capabilities…most powerlifters I know are now spending a good deal of time keeping their gut size in check so that they can achieve a better total…

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[quote]slattimer wrote:
wtf wrote:

Oh, so now I’m an obesity bigot?

You are the one making fat jokes about powerlifters. Basically, you are very nasty comments about personal friends of mine, both on this thread and others. I have seen three threads here for the last few days, where you continually attack and make vile comments about powerlifters. it certainly appears to be fun for you. I certainly haven’t seen any pictures of you, or evidence of your best lifts, or even your real name. Pretty gutsy guy, aren’t you??

But of course, you are above reproach, as you certainly consider yourself better than all those you speak of.

If you wanted to have an honest debate on any facet of the sport of powerlifting, leaving out the insults woud have been a good way to start.

You seem to have a very negative opinion of all powerlifters. You keep using generalities like “these people”. Have you ever been to a powerlifting meet? Its the most eclectic gathering of people I have ever witnessed, from height, weight bodyfat, nationality, religion, etc. All different sorts of people powerlift. But, according to you, “these people” eat themselves into obesity to lift. Lets see, have you ever seen Scot Mendelson or Ryan Kennelly? How about a middleweight, like Scott Rabine? Lightweight Joe Mazza? They all have 6-pack abs and incredible physiques.

You speak in a narrowminded, attacking manner, and find it humerous that you upset people.

I usually stay out of this sort of stuff, and I don’t normally post here much, but you are out of hand. In person, I’m sure you would be perfectly polite an courteous to any powerlifter. But, over the safety of the internet, you feel free to get your rocks off pissing people off.

You sound like an incredibly weak person to me.
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Yes, I’m familiar with the guys you mention and have used some of them as examples when the stereotypical powerlifter debate comes up.

Believe it or not, I’m very interested in the sport and have even worked at an event.

You have my apologies for insulting your friends. That’s not right.

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Apology accepted.

Why all the negativity towards the sport? I don’t get it.

Ok, Gene is fat. So am I. I don’t get what that has to do with anything. There are no bonus points for good looks.

If you are actually interested in the sport, why drag it down posting nonsense and inciting arguemnts? I’m all for a real debate on the sport, or anything in the sport. I respect other people’s opinions. But I don’t attack anybody about it.

For example, I find bodybuilding (competitively) to be completely distasteful. Why do that to yourself to stand on stage in your underwear? I don’t get it. I do know a couple of semi-pro and pro bodybuilders, and I see what they go through, and how hard they work, and I certainly respect that. I wouldn’t insult them with a bunch of negative stuff. But I certainly wouldn’t be interested in doing what they do.

So, why all the attacks? Enlighten me.

[quote]wtf wrote:
slattimer wrote:
wtf wrote:

Yes, I’m familiar with the guys you mention and have used some of them as examples when the stereotypical powerlifter debate comes up.

Believe it or not, I’m very interested in the sport and have even worked at an event.

You have my apologies for insulting your friends. That’s not right.

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I have no problem with equiped powerlifting taken for what it is, which is an extreme. Certainly, to use a double denim shirt, you have to use other muscles that didn’t come into play before. I’m guessing that some of WTF’s feelings about equipment are like mine. 7 years ago, I could bench 205 and the world record was I think 725. At that time I was weak, and 500 pounds under the “World Record” Through 8 years of training, and especially 5 years of intelligent hard training, I brought my bench to 360, but the “World Record” is now 1005! I’ve gotten a hell of a lot stronger, but now I’m 650 pounds below the “World Record.” We like to imagine ourselves moving toward greatness and numbers are the objective way to do this, so it throws off our frame of reference. Big deal! It took a little while, but I learned to live with it! However, when I read articles of truly gnenetically enhanced individuals being less than 10 years off, It scares me. I wouldn’t want to go there if I could, but you know somebody’s going to go there.

Also, look at baseball. People talk about steroid jacked numbers ruining the game, but they love to look up Barry Bond’s slugging percentage daily on ESPN.com! When you have one federation with a certain record and another one with a much bigger record, which one is going to catch the public’s attention! The one with lower numbers is at a disadvantage even though their lifters may be just as strong.

The reasons I love sports are because 1) I get to see what humans can do and 2) I can at least imagine (even ridiculously) myself competing on that stage or performing like that guy. Michael Jordan was super popular not just because he was great, but because he was at least not freakishly tall. People could imagine, fantasize, whatever that they were like Mike. How many guys go out to play a pick up game and imagine that they are Yao or Shaq?

I also read an ariticle about a guy who made some kind of metal stilt shoes and ran 5 miles in 15 minutes. Is that acceptable equipment? Probably not, but what about shoes with special plastics etc. We want to know the rules of our sport and be able to expect that after 5 more years of training, those rules will be the same.

Just my opinion. I have to try to love and enjoy the simplicity of raw lifting and the amazing numbers of equiped lifting…and that’s what I’ve done.

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Honestly, I just got carried away. We have some powerlifter guys at the gym and we always fuck with each other; they’re good guys.

The one dude, Jim, was all excited about his new inzer shirt last week until it got stuck on him. For a minute, I thought we’d have to call 911. It came pretty damn close to having to cut it free. Finally we yanked it off him, and general hilarity followed.

I’m very rarely serious; you’ll have to trust me on that one. Just my twisted sense of humor.

Of course you realize I’m going to embellish this story when I see them, and claim I wrestled you and Mike Miller into submission. : )

[quote]slattimer wrote:
Apology accepted.

Why all the negativity towards the sport? I don’t get it.

Ok, Gene is fat. So am I. I don’t get what that has to do with anything. There are no bonus points for good looks.

If you are actually interested in the sport, why drag it down posting nonsense and inciting arguemnts? I’m all for a real debate on the sport, or anything in the sport. I respect other people’s opinions. But I don’t attack anybody about it.

For example, I find bodybuilding (competitively) to be completely distasteful. Why do that to yourself to stand on stage in your underwear? I don’t get it. I do know a couple of semi-pro and pro bodybuilders, and I see what they go through, and how hard they work, and I certainly respect that. I wouldn’t insult them with a bunch of negative stuff. But I certainly wouldn’t be interested in doing what they do.

So, why all the attacks? Enlighten me.
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So all jokes aside, do guys really like the idea of gear, or is it a do or die kind of thing?

I mean, you have to take the federation rules to the limit if you want to be competitive, right?

Then there’s the issue of sponsors. It’d be career suicide to bash your meal ticket, but at some point do you say, “hey, I think a quad layered shirt is a bit much.”

Just seems like the strongest guy would still be the strongest guy, so where does it end? Or don’t the lifters want it to?

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solitary criket chirping in the background.

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I told someone I saw the clip of Rychlak benching 1000 lbs, and was very impressed. This same individual stated all the typical powerlifter-hate; too fat, roids, and help from a lifting suit. He went on to say that he was much more impressed when he saw someone bench 600lbs with no suit, and they were built like a NFL DE. So my question is what’s more impressive, the guy benching 1000 lbs or the guy with the bodybuilder type physique benching 600, raw?

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Gear is great.

The added extra pounds on each lift are awesome as well as the feeling anyone gets when you buy something new. Gear is similar to getting a birthday present you’ve wanted for awhile.

Also, it takes work to figure out how to use the gear and tweaking the gear somewhat and getting a few more pounds makes you feel good about your training.

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Gear is just a part of the sport. Same as clubs are to golf, bats to baseball and rackets to tennis. All of the best and most competetive athletes use the best equipment possible within the rules.

However, golfers that use the most innovative and expensive clubs don’t get a load of shit for doing it. So, I don’t understand why so many people look down on powerlifters for using gear when we compete. Plain and simple it is a part of the competition, and as any competetive athlete would do, we use the best gear we can within the rules.

It really doesn’t have to be that difficult to understand. It is a sport.

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[quote]Ericka wrote:
Gear is just a part of the sport. Same as clubs are to golf, bats to baseball and rackets to tennis. All of the best and most competetive athletes use the best equipment possible within the rules.

However, golfers that use the most innovative and expensive clubs don’t get a load of shit for doing it. So, I don’t understand why so many people look down on powerlifters for using gear when we compete. Plain and simple it is a part of the competition, and as any competetive athlete would do, we use the best gear we can within the rules.

It really doesn’t have to be that difficult to understand. It is a sport.[/quote]

wow. ericka. you couldn’t have been father from the truth. people didn’t start playing baseball, golf and tennis with out the bat, club and racket. it was created with the game in mind, you see without a a bat it isn’t baseball it is catch. wow. good effort pretty lady but horrible comparison.

gear is more of a nessacary evil. it is more like the track shoe. when people started running sprints in the original olympics, they didn’t have track shoes. but over time some sneaky bastard discovered the value in traction while sprinting. thus now every body wears them. and it makes them faster. ANYBODY who put on a track shoe, trained properly and ran a race would be faster than they were if they were barefoot. same with gear, which dosen’t discriminate. i have NEVER seen some one not get something(even if only 10 pds) out of powerlifting equipment if they were trained properly. it started out as supportive only probably much like the first shoes and sandals were for protection (could you imagine running across the greece barefoot, ouch) but as it was discovered they could give you an edge they were tweaked and modified untill they have taken a life unto thier own (college roomate was a sprinter) much like our gear today.

and although as a mostly raw and definalty 1 ply lifter i am impressed by pure strength, unfortunatly nobody is impressed by pure speed. everybody is impressed by track speed. thus the track shoes and thus the ever growing industry of powerlifting gear.

ericka stick to looking pretty, you seem much better at that.

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Obviously you didn’t understand my point. Surely the golf clubs used at the begining of the sport are a lot different than those used today. They are made of newage materials now that are supposed to help you hit the ball farther…etc. Maybe baseball was a poor comparison because they do use wooden bats in the pros, but how about all of the aluminim bats used in softball. Yes, without the bat there would be no baseball/softball, but how about the slide shorts, cleats, batting helmets, and batting gloves. Were they all a part of baseball’s inception? Not all of them are even a requirement for the sport but many of the best use them to compete at the top of their game.

Besides, the equipment has evolved and those that want to compete at the top of their game use the best equipment within the rules. It really is the same principal.

All comparisons aside…gear is a part of our sport. Just like waxing and tanning are a part of bodybuilding.

“If you have to ask, you will never understand.”

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[quote]FULLSTERKUR wrote:

ericka stick to looking pretty, you seem much better at that.[/quote]

A lot of crappy things have been said to and about me online. This is by far the most sexist and rudest comment anyone has ever made to me. If you had ventured to read anything I have posted I care very little anout looking pretty. My focus right now is totalling Elite at APF Seniors and continuing to break and set new state records in my weight class.

Maybe I did make a poor analogy of the sports but you knew my point. All you have proven by the above comment is that you are a condecending, sexist pig.