[quote]Professor X wrote:
IfYouHateManUtd wrote:
Today’s article couldn’t prove my point any better. It’s no wonder people get sucked in though when it includes the line “I’m here to tell you how to REALLY add lean body mass as fast as possible.” I swear I’ve heard that exact line used in a late night infomercial. As if NO ONE in the history of man had it really figured out before this article. The magic pill bullshit that gets peddled on this site just sometimes feels really irresponsible.
Now you see where much of the debate was coming from in the past. The thing is, this method of advertising works. There are at least a few hundred newbies right now acting like they just received a handwritten note from God who, despite all of the things they think they’ve learned, are still less developed than most of the people who wouldn’t even waste the time reading the article but who figured out the basics quickly.
You can’t really hate that method as much as the people so willing to fall in line behind it.[/quote]
You’ve been training wrong. Let me tell you how to REALLY gain muscle! Workout like a women every day! It’s called frequency training. You undertrain a muscle so often that it has no choice but to cooperate into growing!!!
Anyways, I hate any fad that includes “tricking” you body into doing something. It’s your body, why do you have to trick it? Just grow a pair and control it.
[quote]IfYouHateManUtd wrote:
Today’s article couldn’t prove my point any better. It’s no wonder people get sucked in though when it includes the line “I’m here to tell you how to REALLY add lean body mass as fast as possible.” I swear I’ve heard that exact line used in a late night infomercial. As if NO ONE in the history of man had it really figured out before this article. The magic pill bullshit that gets peddled on this site just sometimes feels really irresponsible. [/quote]
Are you kidding me! You don’t know SHEE-IT! Why all the hating on a ‘home town’ genius! I guarantee anyone that does this workout for a month AND follows all directions to a tee will be a GAWD’DAMN BEHEMOTH at the end of thirty days! GUARANTEED mo’fo!
F’ all you hate’in bitches!
P.S. This is sarcasm for all of you slow minded folk.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
IfYouHateManUtd wrote:
Today’s article couldn’t prove my point any better. It’s no wonder people get sucked in though when it includes the line “I’m here to tell you how to REALLY add lean body mass as fast as possible.” I swear I’ve heard that exact line used in a late night infomercial. As if NO ONE in the history of man had it really figured out before this article. The magic pill bullshit that gets peddled on this site just sometimes feels really irresponsible.
Now you see where much of the debate was coming from in the past. The thing is, this method of advertising works. There are at least a few hundred newbies right now acting like they just received a handwritten note from God who, despite all of the things they think they’ve learned, are still less developed than most of the people who wouldn’t even waste the time reading the article but who figured out the basics quickly.
You can’t really hate that method as much as the people so willing to fall in line behind it.[/quote]
Absolutely it works. Just check out the love letters people wrote about that article and author, you would think God really did come down and build a program just for them. I’m not being sarcastic when I say some of it borders on obsessive.
And it’s a vicious circle because more newbies will read the gushing praise left by previous newbies and get caught up in it. I mean, who wouldn’t be persuaded by that if you were new to lifting and didn’t know any better? Common sense approaches are hard to compete against hyperbole and stupidity though.
The sad thing is that those newbies would get the same gains from doing virtually anything compared to this program simply because they are in that wonderful beginning phase. But again, simple can’t compete.
[quote]Dexter Morgan wrote:
Anyways, I hate any fad that includes “tricking” you body into doing something. It’s your body, why do you have to trick it? Just grow a pair and control it.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
IfYouHateManUtd wrote:
Today’s article couldn’t prove my point any better. It’s no wonder people get sucked in though when it includes the line “I’m here to tell you how to REALLY add lean body mass as fast as possible.” I swear I’ve heard that exact line used in a late night infomercial. As if NO ONE in the history of man had it really figured out before this article. The magic pill bullshit that gets peddled on this site just sometimes feels really irresponsible.
Now you see where much of the debate was coming from in the past. The thing is, this method of advertising works. There are at least a few hundred newbies right now acting like they just received a handwritten note from God who, despite all of the things they think they’ve learned, are still less developed than most of the people who wouldn’t even waste the time reading the article but who figured out the basics quickly.
You can’t really hate that method as much as the people so willing to fall in line behind it.[/quote]
It’s funny because I read that program and I thought “well what do I have to lose?” It’s only a month of my life and it’s not like my training is giving me such amazing gains that I can’t afford to change it up for a while.
Its a bit vicious - and vacuous - to take one article written by someone and compare it to an infomercial. Fact is, today’s author has elsewhere and prior gone into detail outlining his training philosophy and approach, specifically so others can apply the basic principles to better suit their specific levels and goals, something an informercial would not likely do (i dont know, since i dont watch them).
With all the hysteria expressed in this forum sometimes it seems I have logged onto PMS-nation. sheesh…
[quote]Scotacus wrote:
Its a bit vicious - and vacuous - to take one article written by someone and compare it to an infomercial. Fact is, today’s author has elsewhere and prior gone into detail outlining his training philosophy and approach, specifically so others can apply the basic principles to better suit their specific levels and goals, something an informercial would not likely do (i dont know, since i dont watch them).
With all the hysteria expressed in this forum sometimes it seems I have logged onto PMS-nation. sheesh…[/quote]
How “vacuous” does one have to be to ignore the specific phrases that are being focused in on? Further…what “hysteria”? Did the thesaurus fall on the ground and you simply picked the first word the page fell open to?
[quote]Majin wrote:
LOL. He forgot voracious.[/quote]
And vivacious.
I like CW and think he has much to offer. I do not agree with the tone of some of his articles that often take a one size fits all approach and often degrade other valid training programs.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
Its a bit vicious - and vacuous - to take one article written by someone and compare it to an infomercial. Fact is, today’s author has elsewhere and prior gone into detail outlining his training philosophy and approach, specifically so others can apply the basic principles to better suit their specific levels and goals, something an informercial would not likely do (i dont know, since i dont watch them).
With all the hysteria expressed in this forum sometimes it seems I have logged onto PMS-nation. sheesh…
How “vacuous” does one have to be to ignore the specific phrases that are being focused in on?
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A rhetorical-question-off! Here’s another one: How many roads must a man walk down…
Well said.
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Did the thesaurus fall on the ground and you simply picked the first word the page fell open to?[/quote]
No, and therefore moot.
Anywho, “phrases” of which you speak ought to be taken within context of the wider body of work, then one will see a big difference between this author and the latest “ab machine” peddler. To not make the distinction is to be, according to me, a wee bit hysterical.
Anywho, “phrases” of which you speak ought to be taken within context of the wider body of work, then one will see a big difference between this author and the latest “ab machine” peddler. To not make the distinction is to be, according to me, a wee bit hysterical.[/quote]
To even worry about a specific trainer’s “wider body of work” is, according to me, a wee bit fan-boyish. It makes me wonder how many people ever plan on gaining the experience where they can think for themselves…or if every routine someone comes up will forever be yet another Holy Grail…until the next one pops up. There is a reason most of those types of people aren’t some of the most developed people in the gym.
Anywho, “phrases” of which you speak ought to be taken within context of the wider body of work, then one will see a big difference between this author and the latest “ab machine” peddler. To not make the distinction is to be, according to me, a wee bit hysterical.
To even worry about a specific trainer’s “wider body of work” is, according to me, a wee bit fan-boyish. It makes me wonder how many people ever plan on gaining the experience where they can think for themselves…or if every routine someone comes up will forever be yet another Holy Grail…until the next one pops up. There is a reason most of those types of people aren’t some of the most developed people in the gym. [/quote]
Well, to dismiss it outright seems spurious and specious. And “worry” is inappropriate here. To acknowledge something does not require support for same. And you seem to counter your own argument. If one did actually read more than this article (which is what you are suggesting they ought to do) then they would see past the hyperbole. Again, that is something that “latest-greatest” peddlers dont do.
So your “argument” is circular: to read only this article and consider it gospel is to be naive; to refer to a wider body of work for context (i am referring not just to the other “stuff”, as you seem to be taking it, but the principles and results from application and the fact that many of these principles are shared in whole or in part with other respected trainers) is “fan-boyish”. Seems one cant win unless they jump on your side and just trash the whole thing altogether.
[quote]Scotacus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
Anywho, “phrases” of which you speak ought to be taken within context of the wider body of work, then one will see a big difference between this author and the latest “ab machine” peddler. To not make the distinction is to be, according to me, a wee bit hysterical.
To even worry about a specific trainer’s “wider body of work” is, according to me, a wee bit fan-boyish. It makes me wonder how many people ever plan on gaining the experience where they can think for themselves…or if every routine someone comes up will forever be yet another Holy Grail…until the next one pops up. There is a reason most of those types of people aren’t some of the most developed people in the gym.
Well, to dismiss it outright seems spurious and specious. And “worry” is inappropriate here. To acknowledge something does not require support for same. And you seem to counter your own argument. If one did actually read more than this article (which is what you are suggesting they ought to do) then they would see past the hyperbole. Again, that is something that “latest-greatest” peddlers dont do.
So your “argument” is circular: to read only this article and consider it gospel is to be naive; to refer to a wider body of work for context (i am referring not just to the other “stuff”, as you seem to be taking it, but the principles and results from application and the fact that many of these principles are shared in whole or in part with other respected trainers) is “fan-boyish”. Seems one cant win unless they jump on your side and just trash the whole thing altogether.[/quote]
Interesting. Are you saying that I have to read a seller’s entire body of work to be able to form an opinion on his method of selling?
It makes me wonder how many people ever plan on gaining the experience where they can think for themselves…or if every routine someone comes up will forever be yet another Holy Grail…until the next one pops up.
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I admit it strike me as a bit stupid that whenever an article is published some people tend to respond like it really never remotely occurred to them before. It suggests to me that these people dont really think about it that much. Probably you have spent more time griping about them than they have thinking about what theyre doing in the gym etc. So why do you bother?
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There is a reason most of those types of people aren’t some of the most developed people in the gym. [/quote]
But if one of these lost souls actually is drawn to the hype, tries it out for a month or two, and that draws him or her into thinking about it more, then whats wrong with that? Personally, I love these folk: they buy memberships, lose interest after a month or two or show sporadically, thereby keeping my membership fees down without adding extra traffic. Theyre like magic to the industry. Dont whine about them, they do the same for your gym fees too.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Scotacus wrote:
Anywho, “phrases” of which you speak ought to be taken within context of the wider body of work, then one will see a big difference between this author and the latest “ab machine” peddler. To not make the distinction is to be, according to me, a wee bit hysterical.
To even worry about a specific trainer’s “wider body of work” is, according to me, a wee bit fan-boyish. It makes me wonder how many people ever plan on gaining the experience where they can think for themselves…or if every routine someone comes up will forever be yet another Holy Grail…until the next one pops up. There is a reason most of those types of people aren’t some of the most developed people in the gym.
Well, to dismiss it outright seems spurious and specious. And “worry” is inappropriate here. To acknowledge something does not require support for same. And you seem to counter your own argument. If one did actually read more than this article (which is what you are suggesting they ought to do) then they would see past the hyperbole. Again, that is something that “latest-greatest” peddlers dont do.
So your “argument” is circular: to read only this article and consider it gospel is to be naive; to refer to a wider body of work for context (i am referring not just to the other “stuff”, as you seem to be taking it, but the principles and results from application and the fact that many of these principles are shared in whole or in part with other respected trainers) is “fan-boyish”. Seems one cant win unless they jump on your side and just trash the whole thing altogether.
Interesting. Are you saying that I have to read a seller’s entire body of work to be able to form an opinion on his method of selling?
Please, answer the question.[/quote]
Im suggesting that one should take enough interest in what they are criticizing to be familiar with the broader context. Why would you not? The “ab-peddler” doesnt have depth, this author arguably does, whether one agrees with him or not. The ab-peddler doesnt want you to understand underlying principles so you can go off on your own, this author does. The ab-peddler doesnt give anything away for free, this author does. So again, I fail to see the comparison.
