Words of Infantile Wisdom Offered by Lee Priest

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Why do you guys care so much about his facial tattoo?

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The same reason they care SOOOOO much about whether some guy has his pants sagging…and the same reason they run around calling anyone not in contest shape “fat”.

I swear, quite a few of these guys have some issues with anything that doesn’t fit easily into their boxed off perception of the world.

But then, what do I know…I’m just a 280lbs dentist with tattoos and the matching ability to squat several hundred pounds while also creating a near perfect preparation within a 2mm space inside the moving living head of a human being.

Oops, I wore a tank top today. I must be THUG.[/quote]

Alright, I’ll send a bald white man in Doc Martens with SKINHEAD, swastikas, and 88 tattooed on his face to your front door and get him to ask if he can use your phone. I’m sure you’ll let him in or at least bring the cordless to him so he can call the tow truck since he’s probably just a member of the British skinhead movement (which had more to do with being blue collar than racism, mind you) and appreciates German history from the years 1929-1945.

Right.[/quote]

What? Where are the swastikas? Most of you are judging people BY BASIC STEREOTYPES alone with no evidence or proof of mal-behavior. Black kids with dreds in tank tops get labeled THUGS. Guys with tats on their face all get grouped with the worst people the poster can think of as if face tattoos go hand in hand with being just like Mike Tyson or a skinhead. There are apparently only two options here as no one could ever work a a missionary and get the same tat.

Look, we get it. Some of you are literally fucking scared or rejecting of anything that you don’t readily understand. You immediately have some need to label it “BAD” in some way…because tolerance just isn’t your thing.

Everyone doesn’t think like you. I don’t go around judging the intelligence of people based on whether their pants sag…or how big they are…or how many tats they have alone…or whether they have dredlocks.

My best friends are people most here would apparently underestimate from first sight alone…and that still doesn’t erase what they or I have accomplished.[/quote]

Where the fuck were we talking about basic stereotypes. We’re talking about facial tattoos. 99.999% of people with facial tattoos are convicts that are serving or have served hard time. By CHOOSING to get a facial tattoo, Priest CHOSE to identify himself with those pre-existing notions. My original point was that his good judgment is questionable because he CHOSE to identify himself with these questionable elements.

My point was that you wouldn’t be so “tolerant” if your choice to observe a stereotype or to be “tolerant” impacted your personal safety.

I know a man who openly describes himself as a Nazi, but as his political affiliation and not as a manner of being a racist. He’s generally a nice guy, donates to charity, has THREE black training partners who all think he’s a cool dude despite the swastikas tattooed on his arms, he’s never burned a cross or curb stomped someone. Now are you REALLY telling me that you’re so “tolerant” that you’d take the chance of the guy identifying himself as a Nazi being a pretty nice guy like the one I know if he approached you on the street?

I comb my hair, bathe, shave, and was my clothes because if I don’t, I’ll probably be less successful in my line of work. Now if I stop doing all of those things and grunge it up to the point of apparent homelessness, is it the clients fault that they weren’t TOLERANT enough to want to purchase services from someone who looks like they are homeless?

People make VALUE JUDGEMENTS about other people based on appearances. That is reality. You can live off in professor X fantasty world where everyone gets to know everyone they ever encounter on a deep personal basis before making any judgements about them, but please don’t act like that’s how the real world operates.

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Priest does got a point though, lets face it if your 150 lbs and eating nothing but chicken breasts and green beans while limiting your social life to once a month, YOU ARE A BORING PERSON. Bodybuilding is a lifestyle and shouldn’t interfere with other parts of your life, if it does your either going about it all wrong or your just a boring person in general with nothing else going for him. Everything in moderation, unless your bulking/cutting.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

Where the fuck were we talking about basic stereotypes. We’re talking about facial tattoos. 99.999% of people with facial tattoos are convicts that are serving or have served hard time. By CHOOSING to get a facial tattoo, Priest CHOSE to identify himself with those pre-existing notions. My original point was that his good judgment is questionable because he CHOSE to identify himself with these questionable elements.

My point was that you wouldn’t be so “tolerant” if your choice to observe a stereotype or to be “tolerant” impacted your personal safety.
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Are you serious with this shit? I grew up in South Park Houston, Texas. Most of you would cry if you had to walk home everyday through there during the early 90’s. Why do you think guys like me don’t know about protecting our personal safety?

What should strike you is that most of the people who truly did grow up in rough neighborhoods likely do NOT think like you.

But you probably won’t even let that in your head.

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I know a man who openly describes himself as a Nazi, but as his political affiliation and not as a manner of being a racist. He’s generally a nice guy, donates to charity, has THREE black training partners who all think he’s a cool dude despite the swastikas tattooed on his arms, he’s never burned a cross or curb stomped someone. Now are you REALLY telling me that you’re so “tolerant” that you’d take the chance of the guy identifying himself as a Nazi being a pretty nice guy like the one I know if he approached you on the street?[/quote]

Why would a Nazi identify himself as one and not expect to be treated like a Nazi?

How does that relate to labeling every black guy with pants sagging or everyone in a tank top as a THUG?

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I comb my hair, bathe, shave, and was my clothes because if I don’t, I’ll probably be less successful in my line of work. Now if I stop doing all of those things and grunge it up to the point of apparent homelessness, is it the clients fault that they weren’t TOLERANT enough to want to purchase services from someone who looks like they are homeless?[/quote]

Uh, I can bathe, shave and wash my clothes…and still wear a tank top and some here would still call me a thug.

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People make VALUE JUDGEMENTS about other people based on appearances. That is reality. You can live off in professor X fantasty world where everyone gets to know everyone they ever encounter on a deep personal basis before making any judgements about them, but please don’t act like that’s how the real world operates.[/quote]

??

You aren’t doing anything but ASSUMING the way someone looks immediately tells you who that person is. Your lack of life experience would have you labeling a hell of a lot of people the wrong way.

If I gave a shit about pandering to people who think like you, I would have quit lifting weights back when I weighed barely 160lbs so as not to intimidate any of you.

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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I don’t feel jealous of anyone in this world actually. I dunno why I’d be jealous of Priest anyway, considering I don’t want to be a pro bodybuilder, nor do I want to look like him. [/quote]

Then why are you in the BB forum??

Another useless thread from you

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

People make VALUE JUDGEMENTS about other people based on appearances. That is reality. You can live off in professor X fantasty world where everyone gets to know everyone they ever encounter on a deep personal basis before making any judgements about them, but please don’t act like that’s how the real world operates.[/quote]

x2. People make assumptions about other people based on appearance. Sure, you might surprise someone if you don’t fit the mold, but that doesn’t change the fact that it happens. More importantly, it doesn’t change the fact that someone’s appearance CAN HOLD THEM BACK IN THEIR CAREER (depending upon the career, of course), regardless of whether or not they fit their superiors preconceived stereotypes.

For instance, if I get a face tattoo, my employer would terminate my employment in a heartbeat. It doesn’t matter if my employer knows I’m not a convict and I’m generally a nice guy. Appearances are very important, to pretend that they don’t make an impact is foolish.

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[quote]charlotte49er wrote:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I don’t feel jealous of anyone in this world actually. I dunno why I’d be jealous of Priest anyway, considering I don’t want to be a pro bodybuilder, nor do I want to look like him. [/quote]

Then why are you in the BB forum??

Another useless thread from you[/quote]

FUCKING HYSTERICAL!

I shouldn’t be in the bodybuilding forum because I have no aspiration of being a pro bodybuilder or want to look like one.

Come to think of it, we should have a complete overhaul of all fan sites and stadium attendance, because after all the MILLIONS of Average Joes and Sally Soccer Moms attending ball games, boxing matches, MMA fights, gold tournaments, powerlifting shows, Strongman events, and the Olympic games aren’t at the top of those fields, nor do they make a living from them!

If everyone had to want to be a bodybuilder or look like one to respect it and pay for the magazines and pay their ticket fares, this sport would be even less popular than it is and nutritional supplement companies would be of out of fucking business! So would professional sports considering that professional sports players aren’t the ones clogging up Citifield and Yankee Stadium by me. I was at the US OPen here once too, and 99% of the people in attendance were out of shape ham-and-eggers. According to you we should all give our readership of fitness and sports media too, making newspapers and magazines tank as well.

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And as useless as this thread is, it managed to accumulate about 50 posts in two days.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

People make VALUE JUDGEMENTS about other people based on appearances. That is reality. You can live off in professor X fantasty world where everyone gets to know everyone they ever encounter on a deep personal basis before making any judgements about them, but please don’t act like that’s how the real world operates.[/quote]

x2. People make assumptions about other people based on appearance. Sure, you might surprise someone if you don’t fit the mold, but that doesn’t change the fact that it happens. More importantly, it doesn’t change the fact that someone’s appearance CAN HOLD THEM BACK IN THEIR CAREER (depending upon the career, of course), regardless of whether or not they fit their superiors preconceived stereotypes.

For instance, if I get a face tattoo, my employer would terminate my employment in a heartbeat. It doesn’t matter if my employer knows I’m not a convict and I’m generally a nice guy. Appearances are very important, to pretend that they don’t make an impact is foolish.[/quote]

Lee doesn’t work in corporate America. Lee Priest is a freaking bodybuilder who probably wouldn’t even fit behind the desk at your job.

Let me explain it like this, I seriously doubt Lee wakes up in the morning concerned about whether his job will allow a face tat. YOU have to worry about that. I even have to worry about that. But everyone does not, therefore, using the fact that YOU may get fired for a face tat as a reason to degrade everyone else who gets one makes no sense.

You can bet that if I either win the lottery or sell a major patent that I will stop working formally and get several more tattoos. If this causes you to label me an idiot, so be it. That would seem to point to a problem on your end alone.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

People make VALUE JUDGEMENTS about other people based on appearances. That is reality. You can live off in professor X fantasty world where everyone gets to know everyone they ever encounter on a deep personal basis before making any judgements about them, but please don’t act like that’s how the real world operates.[/quote]

x2. People make assumptions about other people based on appearance. Sure, you might surprise someone if you don’t fit the mold, but that doesn’t change the fact that it happens. More importantly, it doesn’t change the fact that someone’s appearance CAN HOLD THEM BACK IN THEIR CAREER (depending upon the career, of course), regardless of whether or not they fit their superiors preconceived stereotypes.

For instance, if I get a face tattoo, my employer would terminate my employment in a heartbeat. It doesn’t matter if my employer knows I’m not a convict and I’m generally a nice guy. Appearances are very important, to pretend that they don’t make an impact is foolish.[/quote]

Lee doesn’t work in corporate America. Lee Priest is a freaking bodybuilder who probably wouldn’t even fit behind the desk at your job.

Let me explain it like this, I seriously doubt Lee wakes up in the morning concerned about whether his job will allow a face tat. YOU have to worry about that. I even have to worry about that. But everyone does not, therefore, using the fact that YOU may get fired for a face tat as a reason to degrade everyone else who gets one makes no sense.

You can bet that if I either win the lottery or sell a major patent that I will stop working formally and get several more tattoos. If this causes you to label me an idiot, so be it. That would seem to point to a problem on your end alone.[/quote]

I don’t disagree, but the point is that people should be expected to be labeled based on their presentation. Whether it’s right or wrong, it’s going to happen. I know Priest doesn’t have to worry about that given his profession, but he should still expect people to look at him like a psycho because he’s got a face tattoo. If that doesn’t bother him, great. If it does, he should have thought twice about getting a face tattoo.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
What should strike you is that most of the people who truly did grow up in rough neighborhoods likely do NOT think like you.

But you probably won’t even let that in your head.

Why would a Nazi identify himself as one and not expect to be treated like a Nazi?

How does that relate to labeling every black guy with pants sagging or everyone in a tank top as a THUG?

Uh, I can bathe, shave and wash my clothes…and still wear a tank top and some here would still call me a thug.

??

You aren’t doing anything but ASSUMING the way someone looks immediately tells you who that person is. Your lack of life experience would have you labeling a hell of a lot of people the wrong way.

If I gave a shit about pandering to people who think like you, I would have quit lifting weights back when I weighed barely 160lbs so as not to intimidate any of you.[/quote]

Send someone through the wrong part of ANY urban area wearing the wrong color and see how long they last. Yep, all of those bloods and crips get to know people imposing on their territory with rival colors before they smoke them. Right.

Thanks for making my point for me with this:
“Why would a Nazi identify himself as one and not expect to be treated like a Nazi?”

So why would someone get a facial tattoo and therefore identify themselves as a questionable element and not expect to be treated as a questionable element?

And once again, like ALL arguments with you, it comes back to how much you weigh.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
What should strike you is that most of the people who truly did grow up in rough neighborhoods likely do NOT think like you.

But you probably won’t even let that in your head.

Why would a Nazi identify himself as one and not expect to be treated like a Nazi?

How does that relate to labeling every black guy with pants sagging or everyone in a tank top as a THUG?

Uh, I can bathe, shave and wash my clothes…and still wear a tank top and some here would still call me a thug.

??

You aren’t doing anything but ASSUMING the way someone looks immediately tells you who that person is. Your lack of life experience would have you labeling a hell of a lot of people the wrong way.

If I gave a shit about pandering to people who think like you, I would have quit lifting weights back when I weighed barely 160lbs so as not to intimidate any of you.[/quote]

Send someone through the wrong part of ANY urban area wearing the wrong color and see how long they last. Yep, all of those bloods and crips get to know people imposing on their territory with rival colors before they smoke them. Right.

Thanks for making my point for me with this:
“Why would a Nazi identify himself as one and not expect to be treated like a Nazi?”

So why would someone get a facial tattoo and therefore identify themselves as a questionable element and not expect to be treated as a questionable element?

And once again, like ALL arguments with you, it comes back to how much you weigh.[/quote]

Wait, so in your mind, Nazi is interchangeable with “face tattoo”? All because you know some guy who claims to be a Nazi but who has “black friends”? LOL!!

Holy shit, you really are screwed up.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Wait, so in your mind, Nazi is interchangeable with “face tattoo”? All because you know some guy who claims to be a Nazi but who has “black friends”? LOL!!

Holy shit, you really are screwed up.[/quote]

Did they not teach reading comprehension in dental school?

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

People make VALUE JUDGEMENTS about other people based on appearances. That is reality. You can live off in professor X fantasty world where everyone gets to know everyone they ever encounter on a deep personal basis before making any judgements about them, but please don’t act like that’s how the real world operates.[/quote]

x2. People make assumptions about other people based on appearance. Sure, you might surprise someone if you don’t fit the mold, but that doesn’t change the fact that it happens. More importantly, it doesn’t change the fact that someone’s appearance CAN HOLD THEM BACK IN THEIR CAREER (depending upon the career, of course), regardless of whether or not they fit their superiors preconceived stereotypes.

For instance, if I get a face tattoo, my employer would terminate my employment in a heartbeat. It doesn’t matter if my employer knows I’m not a convict and I’m generally a nice guy. Appearances are very important, to pretend that they don’t make an impact is foolish.[/quote]

Lee doesn’t work in corporate America. Lee Priest is a freaking bodybuilder who probably wouldn’t even fit behind the desk at your job.

Let me explain it like this, I seriously doubt Lee wakes up in the morning concerned about whether his job will allow a face tat. YOU have to worry about that. I even have to worry about that. But everyone does not, therefore, using the fact that YOU may get fired for a face tat as a reason to degrade everyone else who gets one makes no sense.

You can bet that if I either win the lottery or sell a major patent that I will stop working formally and get several more tattoos. If this causes you to label me an idiot, so be it. That would seem to point to a problem on your end alone.[/quote]

I don’t disagree, but the point is that people should be expected to be labeled based on their presentation. Whether it’s right or wrong, it’s going to happen. I know Priest doesn’t have to worry about that given his profession, but he should still expect people to look at him like a psycho because he’s got a face tattoo. If that doesn’t bother him, great. If it does, he should have thought twice about getting a face tattoo.[/quote]

Lanky, your posts here are the most reasonable ones.

People sort of know that tattoos will make them more acceptable and ‘cool’ in some social groups and should understand that they will also be less acceptable in others. People don’t need to totally ostracize him or whatnot, but when someone like me finds the tattoo on his face (let me say again that it’s a tattoo on his FACE that I am referring to) silly, other people here should understand that this will happen.
I mean you don’t need to use incredibly strong language to deride a facial tattoo…but it should almost be expected that some people will say something.

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How the hell did a thread whining about Lee’s “we’re all gonna die anyway so be fat and happy” philosophy turn into a thread about his facial ink?

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I guess that part wasn’t as controversial.

I agree with him on the KFC thing…about once every 6 months I get some sort of Pon Farr for an original recipe bucket.

(for the non-geeks: Pon farr - Wikipedia )

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[quote]Nards wrote:
I guess that part wasn’t as controversial.

I agree with him on the KFC thing…about once every 6 months I get some sort of Pon Farr for an original recipe bucket.

(for the non-geeks: Pon farr - Wikipedia )[/quote]

So you get horny for a bucket o’ chicken? Nice… :slight_smile:

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I’m not watching the vids, as they take forever to load up on my computer, but I understand that the gist of it all is to enjoy your life as you see fit. I have no issues with that. As for the facial tattoo thing, whomever is saying that 99.9% of the population with facial tats are convicts (current and ex), you are very much misguided. Take a look around the world at various cultures and you will see that facial tattoos exist in a lot more places than just prisons. If you are worried about what people will think of you, then tats probably aren’t for you. If you have a lifestyle/job that doesn’t require you to fit into someone else’s vision or standard, and you opt to get a face tat, good on ya! Hell, as PX said, if I hit the lotto and didn’t have to find employment, I’d probably rock one as well, as I enjoy getting inked. If YOU have a problem with facial tattoos, and you tend to judge people with them, then you need to look at yourself and ask what kind of person you are.

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Come on people, how does some regular facial tattoo compare to what inmates/gang-members and nazis are sporting?

That’s like saying “Inmates often have tattoos on their upper arms/ankles/forearms/whatever, so everyone with tattoos on the same area, regardless of what they depict, associates himself with them. And with Nazis.”

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

I know a man who openly describes himself as a Nazi, but as his political affiliation and not as a manner of being a racist. He’s generally a nice guy, donates to charity, has THREE black training partners who all think he’s a cool dude despite the swastikas tattooed on his arms, he’s never burned a cross or curb stomped someone. Now are you REALLY telling me that you’re so “tolerant” that you’d take the chance of the guy identifying himself as a Nazi being a pretty nice guy like the one I know if he approached you on the street?
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Are you talking about BN by any chance?

I still think you’re making one huge leap here… From “some random facial tat” to “Nazi and Gang/Prison affiliation tat”.

And yeah… Seeing Priest in person with his tat wouldn’t cause me to assume anything about him unless it depicted some gang logo or whatever (one I’m familiar with, that is)…

Your friend on the other hand has tattoos depicting signs/imagery which is directly associated with Hitler and his modern-day followers.
Extreme hostility towards people of different skin colors etc are all part of that.
He made a conscious choice to associate himself with that, either that or he doesn’t really understand the whole issue.

He can be as right-wing or socialist (or whatever, I don’t give a fuck about people’s political views normally) as he wants as far as I’m concerned, I have no problem accepting him anyway.

But I don’t get why he would then choose associate himself with a specific person and a group of people whose views he only shares partially at best (or even opposes, or else why does he get along with his black training partners?), and who are in fact nothing less than a bunch of murderous assholes living somewhere other than reality… With a superiority complex to boot.
Nowadays you can make that “brain-dead 4th-grade dropouts who want to belong to something and who are pissed that people better suited to do their job… Get the job.”

I don’t see why you would want to compare Priest to your buddy.
I’ll believe you when you say that your bud is a-ok. But yes, if I met him somewhere in my hometown, I’d probably be rather wary… Because he does associate himself with a bunch of violent asshats, even though he is not actually like them at all.

Priest on the other hand just has some random tattoo in the face, why should that bother me in any way?

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The funny thing about this thread is that Priest is from another continent, that has a different culture and belief. You guys really need to pick up a Nat Geo sometime and see what else goes on in the WORLD.

You ever hear of the Maori of New Zealand:

If not enlighten yourself on the Ta Moko:

Just in case you didn’t want to go through that whole link, I found a good description:

"The Moko is similar to an identity card, or passport. For men, the Moko showed their rank, their status and their ferocity, or virility. The wearer’s position of power and authority could be instantly recognized in his Moko.

Certain other outward signs, combined with a particular Moko, could instantly define the “identity card” of a person. For example, a chief with Moko and at the same time wearing a dog cloak could be identified as a person of authority, in charge of warriors.

These were undeniable signs of the “identity card”. It would be considered a great insult if the person was not recognized as the chief he was, and this could lead to “utu” - vengeance.

The male facial tattoo - Moko - is generally divided into eight sections :

  1. Ngakaipikirau (rank). The center forehead area
  2. Ngunga (position). Around the brows
  3. Uirere (hapu rank). The eyes and nose area
  4. Uma (first or second marriage). The temples
  5. Raurau (signature). The area under the nose
  6. Taiohou (work). The cheek area
  7. Wairua (mana). The chin
  8. Taitoto (birth status). The jaw

Ancestry is indicated on each side of the face. The left side is generally (but not always, depending on the tribe) the father’s side, while the right hand side indicates the mother’s ancestry. Descent was a foremost requirement before a Moko could be undertaken.

If one side of a person’s ancestry was not of rank, that side of the face would have no Moko design. Likewise if, in the centre forehead area there is no Moko design, this means the wearer either has no rank, or has not inherited rank."

That’s my 2 pennies, I also wouldn’t get a facial tattoo since my job would be impacted and that would impact my family. Although the lower body tattoos are fascinating to me (like tattoo shorts) and I do find them pretty cool, but once again I would get it since it is a symbol of something I know nothing of.

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