You guys are claiming to be anti-abortion, going as far as calling it a holocaust. Yet you guys have no problems holding down proven methods of preventing abortion - contraceptive use and sex health education.
If you really cared about stopping abortion why would you hold these thins down?[/quote]
You guys? Who said anything about that. I am interested in ending abortion, period… You introducing a red herring here. Have you ever seen anybody at an abortion rally holding up a sign with a rubber and a slash through it or anything of the like? I sure as hell haven’t. The fact that abortion for the sake of contraception is particularly sick, not withstanding. [/quote]
Several Christians hold the position of teaching safe sex education to children as wrong and contraception use as immoral while being pro-life.
If you’re interested in ending abortion by extension you would also be in favour of lowering abortion rates. It’s not a red herring, it’s true. WHy would you prevent safe sex education and condemn condom use if you want to stop abortion period?
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It is a red herring, your trying to divert the conversation over to contraception, that has nothing to do with whether or not abortion is murder.
I don’t care how people feel about contraception, that doesn’t make abortion right.
There is plenty of education and support and availability of contraception, more so than any other time in history, and there abortion rate holds steady at 1.2 million annually. Apparently, raising awareness providing and educating about contraception has not made a solitary dent in the abortion rates. So as valid as the ideology sounds, it does not translate in to real world numbers.
You guys are claiming to be anti-abortion, going as far as calling it a holocaust. Yet you guys have no problems holding down proven methods of preventing abortion - contraceptive use and sex health education.
If you really cared about stopping abortion why would you hold these thins down?[/quote]
You guys? Who said anything about that. I am interested in ending abortion, period… You introducing a red herring here. Have you ever seen anybody at an abortion rally holding up a sign with a rubber and a slash through it or anything of the like? I sure as hell haven’t. The fact that abortion for the sake of contraception is particularly sick, not withstanding. [/quote]
Several Christians hold the position of teaching safe sex education to children as wrong and contraception use as immoral while being pro-life.
If you’re interested in ending abortion by extension you would also be in favour of lowering abortion rates. It’s not a red herring, it’s true. WHy would you prevent safe sex education and condemn condom use if you want to stop abortion period?
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It is a red herring, your trying to divert the conversation over to contraception, that has nothing to do with whether or not abortion is murder.
I don’t care how people feel about contraception, that doesn’t make abortion right.
There is plenty of education and support and availability of contraception, more so than any other time in history, and there abortion rate holds steady at 1.2 million annually. Apparently, raising awareness providing and educating about contraception has not made a solitary dent in the abortion rates. So as valid as the ideology sounds, it does not translate in to real world numbers. [/quote]
I’m not saying it makes abortion right man.
I’m saying holding the view that we should not teach safe sex to children, condemn condom use while holding a pro-life stance is HYPOCRITICAL.
It’s you lovely boys who feel the need to interfere with other’s lives, not me.
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You’re the one supporting abortion.
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I’m supporting choice. [/quote]
And if the Will of God is in every human these women will make the morally correct choice so there’s no need to make a law against it.[/quote]
Same with murder?
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The laws against murder have nothing to do with it being immoral. They are in place so individuals can feel safer knowing there is less of a chance that someone will kill them.
It’s you lovely boys who feel the need to interfere with other’s lives, not me.
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You’re the one supporting abortion.
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I’m supporting choice. [/quote]
And if the Will of God is in every human these women will make the morally correct choice so there’s no need to make a law against it.[/quote]
Same with murder?
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The laws against murder have nothing to do with it being immoral. They are in place so individuals can feel safer knowing there is less of a chance that someone will kill them.[/quote]
But, obviously, we believe would-be murderers “will make the morally correct choice so there’s no need to make a law against it.”
It’s you lovely boys who feel the need to interfere with other’s lives, not me.
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You’re the one supporting abortion.
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I’m supporting choice. [/quote]
And if the Will of God is in every human these women will make the morally correct choice so there’s no need to make a law against it.[/quote]
Same with murder?
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The laws against murder have nothing to do with it being immoral. They are in place so individuals can feel safer knowing there is less of a chance that someone will kill them.[/quote]
But, obviously, we believe would-be murderers “will make the morally correct choice so there’s no need to make a law against it.”
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Yes lets say in most cases they are making a moral decision. I’m going to be selfish and choose my safety over morality in this case so there will be less of a chance I will be murdered. To have a better chance of surviving I agree with the law but think its immoral.
It’s you lovely boys who feel the need to interfere with other’s lives, not me.
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You’re the one supporting abortion.
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I’m supporting choice. [/quote]
And if the Will of God is in every human these women will make the morally correct choice so there’s no need to make a law against it.[/quote]
Same with murder?
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The laws against murder have nothing to do with it being immoral. They are in place so individuals can feel safer knowing there is less of a chance that someone will kill them.[/quote]
But, obviously, we believe would-be murderers “will make the morally correct choice so there’s no need to make a law against it.”
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Yes lets say in most cases they are making a moral decision. I’m going to be selfish and choose my safety over morality in this case so there will be less of a chance I will be murdered. To have a better chance of surviving I agree with the law but think its immoral.[/quote]
It’s you lovely boys who feel the need to interfere with other’s lives, not me.
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You’re the one supporting abortion.
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I’m supporting choice. [/quote]
And if the Will of God is in every human these women will make the morally correct choice so there’s no need to make a law against it.[/quote]
Same with murder?
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The laws against murder have nothing to do with it being immoral. They are in place so individuals can feel safer knowing there is less of a chance that someone will kill them.[/quote]
But, obviously, we believe would-be murderers “will make the morally correct choice so there’s no need to make a law against it.”
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Yes lets say in most cases they are making a moral decision. I’m going to be selfish and choose my safety over morality in this case so there will be less of a chance I will be murdered. To have a better chance of surviving I agree with the law but think its immoral.[/quote]
You lost me at “Ye…”[/quote]
I can dumb it down a bit if you want.
Murder is illegal.
Legality does not imply morality.
An interesting read, if you haven’t seen it before.
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I agree with all of that. Maybe if there was a stipulation for procedures, where the parents must be notified before anything happens, I would be okay with going to the doc without consent. I’m already okay for my daughter (when I have one) to be on birth control. I know she’s going to want to have sex, and I want her to be more knowledgeable than I was. I had no knowledge of sex outside of what I read in books and got in sex ed. My mother and I barely had “the talk” and that was only after I nagged her about it.
An interesting read, if you haven’t seen it before.
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I agree with all of that. Maybe if there was a stipulation for procedures, where the parents must be notified before anything happens, I would be okay with going to the doc without consent. I’m already okay for my daughter (when I have one) to be on birth control. I know she’s going to want to have sex, and I want her to be more knowledgeable than I was. I had no knowledge of sex outside of what I read in books and got in sex ed. My mother and I barely had “the talk” and that was only after I nagged her about it. [/quote]
The problem is often the parents, and for a change in mindset to occur, that takes a long time and much, much effort.
How is this handled within your family and group of friends?
An interesting read, if you haven’t seen it before.
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I agree with all of that. Maybe if there was a stipulation for procedures, where the parents must be notified before anything happens, I would be okay with going to the doc without consent. I’m already okay for my daughter (when I have one) to be on birth control. I know she’s going to want to have sex, and I want her to be more knowledgeable than I was. I had no knowledge of sex outside of what I read in books and got in sex ed. My mother and I barely had “the talk” and that was only after I nagged her about it. [/quote]
The problem is often the parents, and for a change in mindset to occur, that takes a long time and much, much effort.
How is this handled within your family and group of friends?
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I honestly do not know as no one has kids going through puberty. There are some right on the cusp, 10, 11 years old but no one shows signs of it yet. My friends were raised conservative and I know up until a few years ago it was seen as “bad” by the parents to stay the night with your significant other. We did have several people, now married, living together and it was seen as okay by us “kids” but sort of “ummm…yeah” by the parents. We’ve had several divorces that were seen as good things and one girl who was dumped at seven months of pregnancy which has also turned out to be a good thing as the father is a douchebag. I think most of them agree with me about teenage sex based on comments, but I couldn’t swear to it.