[quote]pushharder wrote:
There ARE plenty of people who want to adopt. They are hampered by bureaucracy and the fact that millions of babies have been incinerated.
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Are you okay with LGBT adopting?
I am going to actually defend a point that Oleena is making (kinda and it has absolutely nothing to do with you Push). The state of Michigan has tens of thousands of children in foster care institutions and thousands that “age out” of them every year. They become too old and are pretty much just put out to fend for themselves. Guess where most end up? There are plenty of “pro life” homes that COULD take those children in, but are content to simply decry abortion on principle and burn not one calorie actually providing a home for these kids they claim to care so much about. We wanted to do it ourselves but are at present legitimately not able to. (I mean like REALLY legitimately).
Point? There is plenty of lip service and hypocrisy among not only those who are pro life, but those who are claiming the name of Christ, but are not willing to inconvenience themselves to not only save a life, but raise them in the Lord. Shameful.
Now I have to go (kinda) defend Sparky in the other thread. Two in one day. God does love His curve balls.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I am going to actually defend a point that Oleena is making (kinda and it has absolutely nothing to do with you Push). The state of Michigan has tens of thousands of children in foster care institutions and thousands that “age out” of them every year. They become too old and are pretty much just put out to fend for themselves. Guess where most end up? There are plenty of “pro life” homes that COULD take those children in, but are content to simply decry abortion on principle and burn not one calorie actually providing a home for these kids they claim to care so much about. We wanted to do it ourselves but are at present legitimately not able to. (I mean like REALLY legitimately).
Point? There is plenty of lip service and hypocrisy among not only those who are pro life, but those who are claiming the name of Christ, but are not willing to inconvenience themselves to not only save a life, but raise them in the Lord. Shameful.
Now I have to go (kinda) defend Sparky in the other thread. Two in one day. God does love His curve balls.[/quote]
Ooh, one of those rare moments I find myself agreeing with you.
See my arm? Goosebumps.
[quote]Makavali wrote:<<< See my arm? Goosebumps.[/quote]Too much fur.
Birth 'em, on their sixteenth birthday give them a gun and bullet. Surely they’d know better than anyone else is if orphans would be better off dead. Unless, you’re ‘anti-choice.’
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
There ARE plenty of people who want to adopt. They are hampered by bureaucracy and the fact that millions of babies have been incinerated.
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Are you okay with LGBT adopting?[/quote]
Are you OK with executing unwanted babies?[/quote]
Now your ignoring my question, you seem to hate when people do that to you. I’ll answer you anyway, No. And I’m not just saying that because I know it’s what you want to hear. Now your turn…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Birth 'em, on their sixteenth birthday give them a gun and bullet. Surely they’d know better than anyone else is if orphans would be better off dead. Unless, you’re ‘anti-choice.’[/quote]We’re you addressing this to me?
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Why don’t we just kill all the useless unwanted people then? I mean killing them is better than them living in a world where they don’t have everything and they are unwanted right?[/quote]
This is an excellent plan. Let’s start with everyone age 80 and up or has a terminal disease. Seniors are a drain on resources. [/quote]
Sarcasm, yes or no?[/quote]
Very much so. Though sometimes I wonder about those people who can’t take care of themselves, live in a hospice or retirement home if they had the choice to die, if they would? I mean, who wants to live like that? I don’t. Give me a pill or an injection and put me out of my misery of living in diapers and being sponge bathed everyday. Reminds me of an episode of Star Trek Next Generation where a society had a euthanasia policy. When a person reached a certain age, say 75, they were euthanized. The society didn’t see any reason in having people live longer than that because they were usually retired and a drain on public resources, their bodies started failing, etc.
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You recognize the slippery slope there, don’t you?[/quote]
Yes.[/quote]
Yeah, you cannot judge quality of life based on outward appearance. I agree those people look miserable, but you don’t really know. Then you got these folks who look like they have it all, love, money, sex, drugs, rock and roll and next thing you know they kill themselves because they are so miserable.[/quote]
Pat, you seem to care a lot. Before you say stuff like this, I recommend that you try working with some of these “unwanteds”. Put your money (and time and heart) where your mouth is.
It’s pretty easy to get involved. Just look around for tutoring programs with at-risk youth and group homes.[/quote]
I think you totally misread this post. Your retort does not match what I said at all.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Birth 'em, on their sixteenth birthday give them a gun and bullet. Surely they’d know better than anyone else is if orphans would be better off dead. Unless, you’re ‘anti-choice.’[/quote]We’re you addressing this to me?
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I’m addressing it to anyone suggesting that the poor would be better off murdered in the womb. The ultimate ant-choice position.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
There ARE plenty of people who want to adopt. They are hampered by bureaucracy and the fact that millions of babies have been incinerated.
[/quote]
Are you okay with LGBT adopting?[/quote]
Are you OK with executing unwanted babies?[/quote]
Now your ignoring my question, you seem to hate when people do that to you. I’ll answer you anyway, No. And I’m not just saying that because I know it’s what you want to hear. Now your turn…[/quote]
I don’t hate it.
“No” is my answer.[/quote]
Earlier you said there were people willing to adopt but are prevented from doing so because of things like bureaucracy. So if it were not for people like you there might be a few less dead babies, since a woman would have a 1 more extra option rather than abortion.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
There ARE plenty of people who want to adopt. They are hampered by bureaucracy and the fact that millions of babies have been incinerated.
[/quote]
Are you okay with LGBT adopting?[/quote]
Are you OK with executing unwanted babies?[/quote]
Now your ignoring my question, you seem to hate when people do that to you. I’ll answer you anyway, No. And I’m not just saying that because I know it’s what you want to hear. Now your turn…[/quote]
I don’t hate it.
“No” is my answer.[/quote]
Earlier you said there were people willing to adopt but are prevented from doing so because of things like bureaucracy. So if it were not for people like you there might be a few less dead babies, since a woman would have a 1 more extra option rather than abortion.[/quote]
I have actually thought about this a lot in an objective way. My thoughts are yes, the LGBT can adopt but the process isn’t to be fair. In other words, if a child has the opportunity to go to a proper 2 parent home with a mother and father with all necessary stabilizing factors, then that’s where the child should be placed. If it’s a matter of the child will either be adopted by a loving gay couple or remain unloved then I would opt for the gay couple.
In the end, it’s better for a kid to be loved than not loved, but not in lieu of a normal family arrangement.
The jury is still out on the effects of openly gay parenting. We don’t know if it’s good or bad, or what the consequences already are. Having said that, though, there is already an extra burden placed on those kids by default.
So I favor loved over unloved, but I favor loved in a normal environment over loved in a challenging environment.
The problem is I don’t think your idea would work legally so the answer needs to be a flat out Yes or No. How do you make it a law saying person X can adopt but only if there are no more people in group Y available. Last time I heard something like that it had to do with the seating arrangement on a bus.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Why don’t we just kill all the useless unwanted people then? I mean killing them is better than them living in a world where they don’t have everything and they are unwanted right?[/quote]
This is an excellent plan. Let’s start with everyone age 80 and up or has a terminal disease. Seniors are a drain on resources. [/quote]
Sarcasm, yes or no?[/quote]
Very much so. Though sometimes I wonder about those people who can’t take care of themselves, live in a hospice or retirement home if they had the choice to die, if they would? I mean, who wants to live like that? I don’t. Give me a pill or an injection and put me out of my misery of living in diapers and being sponge bathed everyday. Reminds me of an episode of Star Trek Next Generation where a society had a euthanasia policy. When a person reached a certain age, say 75, they were euthanized. The society didn’t see any reason in having people live longer than that because they were usually retired and a drain on public resources, their bodies started failing, etc.
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You recognize the slippery slope there, don’t you?[/quote]
Yes.[/quote]
Yeah, you cannot judge quality of life based on outward appearance. I agree those people look miserable, but you don’t really know. Then you got these folks who look like they have it all, love, money, sex, drugs, rock and roll and next thing you know they kill themselves because they are so miserable.[/quote]
Pat, you seem to care a lot. Before you say stuff like this, I recommend that you try working with some of these “unwanteds”. Put your money (and time and heart) where your mouth is.
It’s pretty easy to get involved. Just look around for tutoring programs with at-risk youth and group homes.[/quote]
I think you totally misread this post. Your retort does not match what I said at all.[/quote]
It would be more apparent what the connection was between my post and your post if you had experience with what you’re talking about. My post is simply a suggestion to get involved with the people you’re making general statements about. That’s the way you will “really know”.
I was going to make a joke about this because I didn’t think it was actually happening, but I was wrong.
http://library.adoption.com/articles/the-colors-of-adoption-black-vs.-white.html
[quote]pushharder wrote:
In fact, I bet there are folks reading and participating in THIS thread who would justify “putting down” a child like Rick was back when he was in his mama’s womb.
Any of you sick fucks wanna pipe up now? Go ahead…wade right in about how “humane” it is to abort babies with birth defects. Do it. Tell him how he would’ve been better off dead so he didn’t have to “suffer.”
C’mon, be a big boy or girl and engage in the discussion, sick fucks.[/quote]
That would be me.
And I would say in response to you that it is awesome he survived and is doing good things with his life and beat the odds. HOWEVER, some birth defects are so severe that the survival rate is so low for a reason. Obviously those birth defects are not supposed to survive. The fact they sometimes do is amazing. Medical science has so evolved that people that would normally have died in the past, don’t anymore. That’s not always a good thing.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Grneyes wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Why don’t we just kill all the useless unwanted people then? I mean killing them is better than them living in a world where they don’t have everything and they are unwanted right?[/quote]
This is an excellent plan. Let’s start with everyone age 80 and up or has a terminal disease. Seniors are a drain on resources. [/quote]
Sarcasm, yes or no?[/quote]
Very much so. Though sometimes I wonder about those people who can’t take care of themselves, live in a hospice or retirement home if they had the choice to die, if they would? I mean, who wants to live like that? I don’t. Give me a pill or an injection and put me out of my misery of living in diapers and being sponge bathed everyday. Reminds me of an episode of Star Trek Next Generation where a society had a euthanasia policy. When a person reached a certain age, say 75, they were euthanized. The society didn’t see any reason in having people live longer than that because they were usually retired and a drain on public resources, their bodies started failing, etc.
[/quote]
You recognize the slippery slope there, don’t you?[/quote]
Yes.[/quote]
Yeah, you cannot judge quality of life based on outward appearance. I agree those people look miserable, but you don’t really know. Then you got these folks who look like they have it all, love, money, sex, drugs, rock and roll and next thing you know they kill themselves because they are so miserable.[/quote]
Pat, you seem to care a lot. Before you say stuff like this, I recommend that you try working with some of these “unwanteds”. Put your money (and time and heart) where your mouth is.
It’s pretty easy to get involved. Just look around for tutoring programs with at-risk youth and group homes.[/quote]
I think you totally misread this post. Your retort does not match what I said at all.[/quote]
It would be more apparent what the connection was between my post and your post if you had experience with what you’re talking about. My post is simply a suggestion to get involved with the people you’re making general statements about. That’s the way you will “really know”.
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Okay now I am lost, what are you talking about?