Women's Lives Before Politics

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:
The problem is I don’t think your idea would work legally so the answer needs to be a flat out Yes or No. How do you make it a law saying person X can adopt but only if there are no more people in group Y available. Last time I heard something like that it had to do with the seating arrangement on a bus.[/quote]

Oh, I agree a legal implementation would be nightmarish. But that’s how I feel about the issue. The LGBT should be the last resort, not the first. Plenty of people would be up in arms over that implementation.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Man I hope these kids get help:

http://www.adoptuskids.org/_app/child/searchpResults.aspx?pg=6

http://www.adoptuskids.org/_app/child/viewp.aspx?id=39983[/quote]

You can do something about it…

“What’s the matter Colonial Sanders? Chicken?”[/quote]

I have done something about it (and have been for the last 6 years). What are you doing about it?

Currently, I don’t have the resources to affect those specific children in the postings, because I’m working on being able to obtain resources for many in the future. It’s pretty guaranteed that I’ll be successful at this point. What about you and others?[/quote]

I have done things, I am not at liberty to discuss them here.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
In fact, I bet there are folks reading and participating in THIS thread who would justify “putting down” a child like Rick was back when he was in his mama’s womb.

Any of you sick fucks wanna pipe up now? Go ahead…wade right in about how “humane” it is to abort babies with birth defects. Do it. Tell him how he would’ve been better off dead so he didn’t have to “suffer.”

C’mon, be a big boy or girl and engage in the discussion, sick fucks.[/quote]

That would be me.

And I would say in response to you that it is awesome he survived and is doing good things with his life and beat the odds. HOWEVER, some birth defects are so severe that the survival rate is so low for a reason. Obviously those birth defects are not supposed to survive. The fact they sometimes do is amazing. Medical science has so evolved that people that would normally have died in the past, don’t anymore. That’s not always a good thing. [/quote]

What exactly is “supposed” to happen? No offense, but they way you are judging the value of other people’s lives is sickening. The only thing that’s not supposed to happen is evaluating someone else’s worth and deciding life or death. I may not think your life is worth a lot, do I get to kill you?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
In fact, I bet there are folks reading and participating in THIS thread who would justify “putting down” a child like Rick was back when he was in his mama’s womb.

Any of you sick fucks wanna pipe up now? Go ahead…wade right in about how “humane” it is to abort babies with birth defects. Do it. Tell him how he would’ve been better off dead so he didn’t have to “suffer.”

C’mon, be a big boy or girl and engage in the discussion, sick fucks.[/quote]

That would be me.

And I would say in response to you that it is awesome he survived and is doing good things with his life and beat the odds. HOWEVER, some birth defects are so severe that the survival rate is so low for a reason. Obviously those birth defects are not supposed to survive. The fact they sometimes do is amazing. Medical science has so evolved that people that would normally have died in the past, don’t anymore. That’s not always a good thing. [/quote]

What exactly is “supposed” to happen? No offense, but they way you are judging the value of other people’s lives is sickening. The only thing that’s not supposed to happen is evaluating someone else’s worth and deciding life or death. I may not think your life is worth a lot, do I get to kill you?
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What I’m saying is that some birth defects are so severe that the chance of survival are extremely small and aborting fetuses with those birth defects would be more humane than allowing the baby to be born and suffer. No one knows if they’re going to survive and beat the odds like Richer13 did and I don’t see the point in going through a pregnancy, birth, and subsequent medical issues and costs for a baby that is not going to survive. I know I’m in the extreme minority in this and I don’t care. That’s how I feel.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

What I’m saying is that some birth defects are so severe that the chance of survival are extremely small and aborting fetuses with those birth defects would be more humane than allowing the baby to be born and suffer. No one knows if they’re going to survive and beat the odds like Richer13 did and I don’t see the point in going through a pregnancy, birth, and subsequent medical issues and costs for a baby that is not going to survive. I know I’m in the extreme minority in this and I don’t care. That’s how I feel.
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But you do understand your on a slippery slope with these thought processes. You basically reducing the value of life to a judgement call.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
In fact, I bet there are folks reading and participating in THIS thread who would justify “putting down” a child like Rick was back when he was in his mama’s womb.

Any of you sick fucks wanna pipe up now? Go ahead…wade right in about how “humane” it is to abort babies with birth defects. Do it. Tell him how he would’ve been better off dead so he didn’t have to “suffer.”

C’mon, be a big boy or girl and engage in the discussion, sick fucks.[/quote]

That would be me.

And I would say in response to you that it is awesome he survived and is doing good things with his life and beat the odds. HOWEVER, some birth defects are so severe that the survival rate is so low for a reason. Obviously those birth defects are not supposed to survive. The fact they sometimes do is amazing. Medical science has so evolved that people that would normally have died in the past, don’t anymore. That’s not always a good thing. [/quote]

What exactly is “supposed” to happen? No offense, but they way you are judging the value of other people’s lives is sickening. The only thing that’s not supposed to happen is evaluating someone else’s worth and deciding life or death. I may not think your life is worth a lot, do I get to kill you?
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What I’m saying is that some birth defects are so severe that the chance of survival are extremely small and aborting fetuses with those birth defects would be more humane than allowing the baby to be born and suffer. No one knows if they’re going to survive and beat the odds like Richer13 did and I don’t see the point in going through a pregnancy, birth, and subsequent medical issues and costs for a baby that is not going to survive. I know I’m in the extreme minority in this and I don’t care. That’s how I feel.
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Like in Chinese culture where a girl’s life isn’t seen as productive or valuable…

You don’t have the right to make that judgment. Period. You might see a homeless man on the street who is suffering and you may think they’d be better off dead, but it you abort his life for him you’re still a murderer, just one with good intentions.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
In fact, I bet there are folks reading and participating in THIS thread who would justify “putting down” a child like Rick was back when he was in his mama’s womb.

Any of you sick fucks wanna pipe up now? Go ahead…wade right in about how “humane” it is to abort babies with birth defects. Do it. Tell him how he would’ve been better off dead so he didn’t have to “suffer.”

C’mon, be a big boy or girl and engage in the discussion, sick fucks.[/quote]

That would be me.

And I would say in response to you that it is awesome he survived and is doing good things with his life and beat the odds. HOWEVER, some birth defects are so severe that the survival rate is so low for a reason. Obviously those birth defects are not supposed to survive. The fact they sometimes do is amazing. Medical science has so evolved that people that would normally have died in the past, don’t anymore. That’s not always a good thing. [/quote]

What exactly is “supposed” to happen? No offense, but they way you are judging the value of other people’s lives is sickening. The only thing that’s not supposed to happen is evaluating someone else’s worth and deciding life or death. I may not think your life is worth a lot, do I get to kill you?
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What I’m saying is that some birth defects are so severe that the chance of survival are extremely small and aborting fetuses with those birth defects would be more humane than allowing the baby to be born and suffer. No one knows if they’re going to survive and beat the odds like Richer13 did and I don’t see the point in going through a pregnancy, birth, and subsequent medical issues and costs for a baby that is not going to survive. I know I’m in the extreme minority in this and I don’t care. That’s how I feel.
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Like in Chinese culture where a girl’s life isn’t seen as productive or valuable…
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No. Being female is not a birth defect.

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The “for their own good” argument is more despicable than the “human life doesn’t have inherent value” people.

Do no kid yourself that any abortion is ever for the benefit of the child in question. It is still absolutely nothing more than weighing convenience versus life. An undesired accidental pregnancy is no different than killing it because you deem the child’s odds of survival low. It is inconvenient to the parents to raise a child with a birth defect. Inconvenience is no justification for killing.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
In fact, I bet there are folks reading and participating in THIS thread who would justify “putting down” a child like Rick was back when he was in his mama’s womb.

Any of you sick fucks wanna pipe up now? Go ahead…wade right in about how “humane” it is to abort babies with birth defects. Do it. Tell him how he would’ve been better off dead so he didn’t have to “suffer.”

C’mon, be a big boy or girl and engage in the discussion, sick fucks.[/quote]

That would be me.

And I would say in response to you that it is awesome he survived and is doing good things with his life and beat the odds. HOWEVER, some birth defects are so severe that the survival rate is so low for a reason. Obviously those birth defects are not supposed to survive. The fact they sometimes do is amazing. Medical science has so evolved that people that would normally have died in the past, don’t anymore. That’s not always a good thing. [/quote]

What exactly is “supposed” to happen? No offense, but they way you are judging the value of other people’s lives is sickening. The only thing that’s not supposed to happen is evaluating someone else’s worth and deciding life or death. I may not think your life is worth a lot, do I get to kill you?
[/quote]

What I’m saying is that some birth defects are so severe that the chance of survival are extremely small and aborting fetuses with those birth defects would be more humane than allowing the baby to be born and suffer. No one knows if they’re going to survive and beat the odds like Richer13 did and I don’t see the point in going through a pregnancy, birth, and subsequent medical issues and costs for a baby that is not going to survive. I know I’m in the extreme minority in this and I don’t care. That’s how I feel.
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Like in Chinese culture where a girl’s life isn’t seen as productive or valuable…
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No. Being female is not a birth defect.
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That’s just it, in China, it is. Why do you get to make the judgment on what a defect is and the value of a life is, and the Chinese people don’t?

Why do you get to decide what are acceptable odds. A good parent would sacrifice themselves for a 1% chance to save their kid’s life.

But, on what authority is your evaluation of a life the right one?

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In fire school I’ve been told several times by several different inner city life career firefighters never ever to do something (putting yourself in extreme risk), followed immediately by “but if there’s a kid or something I’m going to do it anyway.”

It’s sad that strangers will go through fire for a child while some mothers don’t like the inconvenience.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

What I’m saying is that some birth defects are so severe that the chance of survival are extremely small and aborting fetuses with those birth defects would be more humane than allowing the baby to be born and suffer. No one knows if they’re going to survive and beat the odds like Richer13 did and I don’t see the point in going through a pregnancy, birth, and subsequent medical issues and costs for a baby that is not going to survive. I know I’m in the extreme minority in this and I don’t care. That’s how I feel.
[/quote]

But you do understand your on a slippery slope with these thought processes. You basically reducing the value of life to a judgement call. [/quote]

Not just a “life” but your own child.

Grneyes do you have children? Just curious

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
In fact, I bet there are folks reading and participating in THIS thread who would justify “putting down” a child like Rick was back when he was in his mama’s womb.

Any of you sick fucks wanna pipe up now? Go ahead…wade right in about how “humane” it is to abort babies with birth defects. Do it. Tell him how he would’ve been better off dead so he didn’t have to “suffer.”

C’mon, be a big boy or girl and engage in the discussion, sick fucks.[/quote]

That would be me.

And I would say in response to you that it is awesome he survived and is doing good things with his life and beat the odds. HOWEVER, some birth defects are so severe that the survival rate is so low for a reason. Obviously those birth defects are not supposed to survive. The fact they sometimes do is amazing. Medical science has so evolved that people that would normally have died in the past, don’t anymore. That’s not always a good thing. [/quote]

What exactly is “supposed” to happen? No offense, but they way you are judging the value of other people’s lives is sickening. The only thing that’s not supposed to happen is evaluating someone else’s worth and deciding life or death. I may not think your life is worth a lot, do I get to kill you?
[/quote]

What I’m saying is that some birth defects are so severe that the chance of survival are extremely small and aborting fetuses with those birth defects would be more humane than allowing the baby to be born and suffer. No one knows if they’re going to survive and beat the odds like Richer13 did and I don’t see the point in going through a pregnancy, birth, and subsequent medical issues and costs for a baby that is not going to survive. I know I’m in the extreme minority in this and I don’t care. That’s how I feel.
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Like in Chinese culture where a girl’s life isn’t seen as productive or valuable…
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No. Being female is not a birth defect.
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But the chinese people do so they make the judgment and abort the child.

Kinda sucks when you can actually relate (being female) huh?

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

What I’m saying is that some birth defects are so severe that the chance of survival are extremely small and aborting fetuses with those birth defects would be more humane than allowing the baby to be born and suffer. No one knows if they’re going to survive and beat the odds like Richer13 did and I don’t see the point in going through a pregnancy, birth, and subsequent medical issues and costs for a baby that is not going to survive. I know I’m in the extreme minority in this and I don’t care. That’s how I feel.
[/quote]

But you do understand your on a slippery slope with these thought processes. You basically reducing the value of life to a judgement call. [/quote]

Not just a “life” but your own child.

Grneyes do you have children? Just curious[/quote]

No, not yet.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Grneyes do you have children? Just curious[/quote]

No, not yet. [/quote]I must have misunderstood. I thought you said you had three girls?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Grneyes do you have children? Just curious[/quote]

No, not yet. [/quote]I must have misunderstood. I thought you said you had three girls?
[/quote]
Nope.

We did have 3 cats until earlier this year, though.

I’m Greeny’s husband, by the way…

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I assume you share her views?

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
In fact, I bet there are folks reading and participating in THIS thread who would justify “putting down” a child like Rick was back when he was in his mama’s womb.

Any of you sick fucks wanna pipe up now? Go ahead…wade right in about how “humane” it is to abort babies with birth defects. Do it. Tell him how he would’ve been better off dead so he didn’t have to “suffer.”

C’mon, be a big boy or girl and engage in the discussion, sick fucks.[/quote]

That would be me.

And I would say in response to you that it is awesome he survived and is doing good things with his life and beat the odds. HOWEVER, some birth defects are so severe that the survival rate is so low for a reason. Obviously those birth defects are not supposed to survive. The fact they sometimes do is amazing. Medical science has so evolved that people that would normally have died in the past, don’t anymore. That’s not always a good thing. [/quote]

What exactly is “supposed” to happen? No offense, but they way you are judging the value of other people’s lives is sickening. The only thing that’s not supposed to happen is evaluating someone else’s worth and deciding life or death. I may not think your life is worth a lot, do I get to kill you?
[/quote]

What I’m saying is that some birth defects are so severe that the chance of survival are extremely small and aborting fetuses with those birth defects would be more humane than allowing the baby to be born and suffer. No one knows if they’re going to survive and beat the odds like Richer13 did and I don’t see the point in going through a pregnancy, birth, and subsequent medical issues and costs for a baby that is not going to survive. I know I’m in the extreme minority in this and I don’t care. That’s how I feel.
[/quote]

Like in Chinese culture where a girl’s life isn’t seen as productive or valuable…
[/quote]

No. Being female is not a birth defect.
[/quote]
But the chinese people do so they make the judgment and abort the child.

Kinda sucks when you can actually relate (being female) huh?
[/quote]

I don’t think they consider being female a birth defect, I think they have serious human rights issues towards the value of women. In a few years they’re going to have a whole generation of men who can’t find wives because of their practice of aborting female fetuses or letting them die and a whole lot of Chinese babies that could have been born won’t because there are no women to be impregnated and have those babies (though in the case of China’s overpopulation, that might not be a bad thing). We don’t have that problem here. I’m only talking about serious birth defects with extremely small chances of survival. Yes, there are exceptions, you are one, but I personally, would not take that chance. If that makes me mercenary or heartless or whatever to you and others on this forum, fine. Who gives a shit. It’s not going to change my mind about how I feel or what I believe.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
Grneyes do you have children? Just curious[/quote]

No, not yet. [/quote]I must have misunderstood. I thought you said you had three girls?
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LOL…no. And I know you’re being facetious. And now I’m going to get the barrage of posts saying I have no idea what I’m talking about because I’ve never been pregnant, never given birth, never parented and how I will change my mind when these things happen. Well, guess what? No, I won’t.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I assume you share her views?[/quote]

Our views are very much similar, though, not quite the same, with most issues.

Edit, since I was being vague…

Personally, i’m pro choice.

What I will put out there… When I was much younger, I got my then GF pregnant and she was going to get an abortion, no matter what I wanted. She was scared of her step father, who abused her when she was a kid, apparently.

Going through that whole process changed the way I looked at her and just the whole subject, entirely.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:<<< It’s not going to change my mind about how I feel or what I believe.
[/quote]Having your own children might though. And regardless of what idiotic leftist garbage you feed us now, you have no idea until you do. I know women personally who’s entire view on everything related to children changed drastically, especially the abortions they had, once they held their own baby in their arms. You may be too hard hearted for that. I really hope not.