Socialsm is the Best
Who da’ thunk it?!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_britain_donated_smoker_s_lungs
yeah, socialized medicine is winner!!
My wife does lung transplants for a living. I will tell you if you are on the list you do not have much time to live, and your lungs suck. A smokers lungs are much better than what you have currently. If you are about to die and all that is available is a smokers lungs and that will keep you alive then by all means give me the smokers lungs. From what I understand if you stop smoking your lungs will kind of regenerate, and get better over the course of a few years. The lungs also have to meet a minumum standard of working for them to be transplantable. Just because the person smoked does not mean the lungs are bad.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
My wife does lung transplants for a living. I will tell you if you are on the list you do not have much time to live, and your lungs suck. A smokers lungs are much better than what you have currently. If you are about to die and all that is available is a smokers lungs and that will keep you alive then by all means give me the smokers lungs. From what I understand if you stop smoking your lungs will kind of regenerate, and get better over the course of a few years. The lungs also have to meet a minumum standard of working for them to be transplantable. Just because the person smoked does not mean the lungs are bad.[/quote]
I agree, but I still think the patient should be informed.
[quote]Right wing response generator:
yeah, socialized medicine is winner!![/quote]
Thank god this never happens in America…
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
My wife does lung transplants for a living. I will tell you if you are on the list you do not have much time to live, and your lungs suck. A smokers lungs are much better than what you have currently. If you are about to die and all that is available is a smokers lungs and that will keep you alive then by all means give me the smokers lungs. From what I understand if you stop smoking your lungs will kind of regenerate, and get better over the course of a few years. The lungs also have to meet a minumum standard of working for them to be transplantable. Just because the person smoked does not mean the lungs are bad.[/quote]
I used to smoke, and even when I did I pretty sure I’m could out run most people, even people here…
The lady died 5 months later of pneumonia. It is significantly more reasonable to assume there were issues involving the transplantation and the subsequent immunosuppressive therapies rather than the smoker’s lungs being the sole cause.
The article doesn’t go into much detail, however, but if I were on the verge of death I would take whatever was handed to me and roll the dice about possible diseases down the line.
Yeah! This is great proof that socialised medicine fails in every way!
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Socialsm is the Best
Who da’ thunk it?!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_britain_donated_smoker_s_lungs[/quote]
So she could not have the transplant and die anyway. Some of you don’t seem to understand the concept at work here.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Socialsm is the Best
Who da’ thunk it?!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_britain_donated_smoker_s_lungs[/quote]
So she could not have the transplant and die anyway. Some of you don’t seem to understand the concept at work here.[/quote]
I agree. Now if they’d done something like give her smokers lungs that had malignant tumors or something, then it’d be a different story.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Socialsm is the Best
Who da’ thunk it?!?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_britain_donated_smoker_s_lungs[/quote]
So she could not have the transplant and die anyway. Some of you don’t seem to understand the concept at work here.[/quote]
Exactly. I’m sure if anyone on here faced on the same situtation and were given the choice between those lungs and death, they wouldn’t be asking such questions. If the lungs are in good shape, they will be used. I would rather have 30 year old smoker lungs than dead body.
Are all of you signed up to be Organ Donors? If not do so today. Make sure all your family knows your wishes. I personally am giving up everything. Someone needs it take it.
mak, you are an [b]IDIOT!![/b] They never told the patient anything! If I were in need of a lung that came from a cadaver, I would always turn down a lung from a smoker. BTW because people want to know the history of an organ, does NOT make them afraid of death like YOU. My Grandma quit smoking over seventeen years ago, yet emphysema still killed her two years ago. People think pneumonia couldn’t have come from the lungs? Pneumonia is from liquid in the lungs! Come on mak, think like a big boy and quit wasting oxygen!! Do I need to leave the light on in the dark, for you?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So she could not have the transplant and die anyway. Some of you don’t seem to understand the concept at work here.[/quote]
x2 I am. In the afterlife I sure won’t be using the organs, my hope is that someone will be given another chance because of my organs. not through science experiments or study
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Are all of you signed up to be Organ Donors? If not do so today. Make sure all your family knows your wishes. I personally am giving up everything. Someone needs it take it.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
mak, you are an [b]IDIOT!![/b] They never told the patient anything! If I were in need of a lung that came from a cadaver, I would always turn down a lung from a smoker. BTW because people want to know the history of an organ, does NOT make them afraid of death like YOU. My Grandma quit smoking over seventeen years ago, yet emphysema still killed her two years ago. People think pneumonia couldn’t have come from the lungs? Pneumonia is from liquid in the lungs! Come on mak, think like a big boy and quit wasting oxygen!! Do I need to leave the light on in the dark, for you?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So she could not have the transplant and die anyway. Some of you don’t seem to understand the concept at work here.[/quote][/quote]
Pneumonia is inflammation of the lungs, and is most often the result of infection (again, this goes back to the immunosuppressive therapy she was most likely on as a result of her transplant). While it includes fluid/pus in the alevoli, these are the results of the infection and the body’s defense mechanisms and are not the cause of the problem, itself.
Again, the link was brief and did not say whether or not the pneumonia was the result of an infection, but given the trauma and drug therapies involved in such a procedure it isn’t thinking like a “little boy” to imagine that, until more information is brought forward, these factors played the biggest role.
I would also imagine you wouldn’t set such high standards for your survival if your life was literally on the line, but that’s just speculation.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
mak, you are an [b]IDIOT!![/b] They never told the patient anything! If I were in need of a lung that came from a cadaver, I would always turn down a lung from a smoker. BTW because people want to know the history of an organ, does NOT make them afraid of death like YOU. My Grandma quit smoking over seventeen years ago, yet emphysema still killed her two years ago. People think pneumonia couldn’t have come from the lungs? Pneumonia is from liquid in the lungs! Come on mak, think like a big boy and quit wasting oxygen!! Do I need to leave the light on in the dark, for you?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So she could not have the transplant and die anyway. Some of you don’t seem to understand the concept at work here.[/quote]
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So you’d take death, congrats? And you call me an idiot? LOL.
EDIT: I find it amusing you think I’m afraid of death. Last I checked I didn’t turn to fairy tales to make myself more comfortable about death.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Are all of you signed up to be Organ Donors? If not do so today. Make sure all your family knows your wishes. I personally am giving up everything. Someone needs it take it.[/quote]
I won’t need my organs, people are welcome to everything but my liver. With the thrashing that thing takes, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Are all of you signed up to be Organ Donors? If not do so today. Make sure all your family knows your wishes. I personally am giving up everything. Someone needs it take it.[/quote]
x2
Of course I am an organ donor - what better gift to others can we give?
Many people die on transplant lists, because of the lack of donors. I would hope everyone here bemoaning the quality of the organs provided will offer theirs in order to help others.
Makkun
anonym - you are right of course, I was simply stating the result of an infection, fluid in the lung/s.
You are also correct, the link provided little information.
My point still stands though. If I happened to be in need of an organ such as a lung, I would choose to reject said organ from a smoker. Death happens to everyone in the world. No one gets to skip out! Not even the Son of God!! Trying to avoid death is completely and totally fruitless. I workout and care for myself because I want to enjoy this portion of life and being healthy has no downside in my eyes. Why worry about the inevitable. Sounds like a waste to my ears.
[quote]anonym wrote:
Pneumonia is inflammation of the lungs, and is most often the result of infection (again, this goes back to the immunosuppressive therapy she was most likely on as a result of her transplant). While it includes fluid/pus in the alevoli, these are the results of the infection and the body’s defense mechanisms and are not the cause of the problem, itself.
Again, the link was brief and did not say whether or not the pneumonia was the result of an infection, but given the trauma and drug therapies involved in such a procedure it isn’t thinking like a “little boy” to imagine that, until more information is brought forward, these factors played the biggest role.
I would also imagine you wouldn’t set such high standards for your survival if your life was literally on the line, but that’s just speculation.[/quote]