as I felt all along, she had no chance of recovering. the autopsy proved it.
sad thing, her parents are still holding on, saying that she could have recovered. I feel bad for them.
the fact that she was blind was surprising, however it is also probable.
I have a client who splits time between the university and MIT, who tells me that they can program robots, to automatically respond with motion despite having no actual intelligence whatsoever.
sad end to a sad story.
Very sad story. I’ve told my family that if I was ever in a condition like that to just let me go. It may sound bad but the truth is I would be nothing but a financial and emotional burden on the family. That’s no way to live and I wouldn’t want to see my loved ones living like that. Then again it’s easy to say now since I’m not in that situation.
I wonder how many of us actually thought that there was any other conclusion to this debacle?
I still think that her body shouldn’t have had to die of dehydration. Lame. We should have morphine OD’d her after everybody had their chance to say their goodbyes.
I am also ashamed of my State of Florida for this becoming a political extravaganza, and on behalf of all Floridians, I apologize to the rest of the country for this mess. Sorry.
Makes me wonder…
Did she lose track of time?
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
I still think that her body shouldn’t have had to die of dehydration. Lame. We should have morphine OD’d her after everybody had their chance to say their goodbyes.[/quote]
Since there was some doubt about her exact level of consciousness at the time, that would have seemed a more resonable and humane procedure. But that would have been euthanasia. As it was, according to the autopsy report, there was no conscious mind at all, nothing to mind the treatment. Also nothing to sense the passage of time.
Thank goodness for that last, considering how the Schindlers carried on for so long. They are still carrying on, even after the autopsy report.
They basically starved her to death. Death by dehydration…sad commentary on our country that something like this could happen in 2005.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
They basically starved her to death. Death by dehydration…sad commentary on our country that something like this could happen in 2005.[/quote]
Yeah, it’s sad that radicals on the right perpetuated it. If you had a pet that was a vegetable out of love you would put it down. They kept this vessel, this shell of person,chained to that existance for political reasons.
I could understand the parents and their denial out of love, but not the radicals that latched on to this to make another political statement.
Free Dr. Kavorkian! He had the right idea.
I watched my father die a slow agonizing death from cancer. Pain meds just dulled the pain but never relieved it. He begged me repeatedly to kill him. I couldn’t bring myself to do it for fear of the potential legal consequences if I had.
It’s a shame doctor assisted suicides are illegal in this country. Hell, we’ll put an animal down without a thought once they become too sick. We even give lethal injections to death row offenders. Why can’t we humanly allow a medically assisted, painless death of a terminally ill person? A person suffering with no hope of recovery, if that’s the will of the patient or the patient’s family?
Why? Because of some whacked out, out dated B.S. laws based on out dated morality? I think we should be allowed to make that decision while we are still healthy and capable.
I know this is a very complicated issue and I’m sure some of you would disagree with me on this. But for those of you who do disagree I’d be interested in knowing if you have ever watched a close relative like a parent, sibling, child or significant other suffering and dying and not feel this would be the right thing to do to ease their pain?
[quote]endgamer711 wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
I still think that her body shouldn’t have had to die of dehydration. Lame. We should have morphine OD’d her after everybody had their chance to say their goodbyes.
Since there was some doubt about her exact level of consciousness at the time, that would have seemed a more resonable and humane procedure. But that would have been euthanasia. As it was, according to the autopsy report, there was no conscious mind at all, nothing to mind the treatment. Also nothing to sense the passage of time.
Thank goodness for that last, considering how the Schindlers carried on for so long. They are still carrying on, even after the autopsy report.[/quote]
What stands out most to me are the crack pot doctors who claimed that her eyes followed them meaning she was aware…even though she was blind. This never should have become a public matter the way it did…and the fact that she is now proven to have been in a state of non-recovery, I hope everyone who claimed that her husband was so evil has the dignity to admit that they were wrong. Of course, that won’t happen.
I think it is sad that she had to be starved to death due to the laws in this country. She could have died peacefully with no feeling.
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
They basically starved her to death. Death by dehydration…sad commentary on our country that something like this could happen in 2005.
Yeah, it’s sad that radicals on the right perpetuated it. If you had a pet that was a vegetable out of love you would put it down. They kept this vessel, this shell of person,chained to that existance for political reasons.
I could understand the parents and their denial out of love, but not the radicals that latched on to this to make another political statement.[/quote]
I feel the same in many aspects of society where it seems that this “war of morals” is sticking its nose into places where it shouldn’t. The news I wrote about where some pharmacists are now denying filling out prescriptions because they may not religiously believe in contraception is another one. I have a feeling more and more people will soon get very tired of this.
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
They basically starved her to death. Death by dehydration…sad commentary on our country that something like this could happen in 2005.
Yeah, it’s sad that radicals on the right perpetuated it. If you had a pet that was a vegetable out of love you would put it down. They kept this vessel, this shell of person,chained to that existance for political reasons.
I could understand the parents and their denial out of love, but not the radicals that latched on to this to make another political statement.[/quote]
You could be right, or they could have “latched onto it” because they really do believe in the sanctity of life.
Being on the other side of the political fence I know it’s easy to attach “evil” to all that the opposition does, but people do dedicate their lives to causes be it liberal or conservative.
Think about it.
I still remember how badly I was flamed for claiming the husband did the right thing and I would do the same in his position. He had already accepted his wife was gone, she was dead to him, he had made his peace with it and the final closure was to let her die with dignity.
I personally don’t see why Euthanasia is still such a massive problem worldwide for people to accept. Is it just because on a religious level it is regarded as wrong. Or do people actually think it is morally wrong to end the life of someone who requests it as they are in such pain?>
The fact that an organization exists to collect money to pay for people who can’t afford it, to travel to Switzerland to die in a painless dignified manner is a sad state of affairs.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
I wonder how many of us actually thought that there was any other conclusion to this debacle?
I still think that her body shouldn’t have had to die of dehydration. Lame. We should have morphine OD’d her after everybody had their chance to say their goodbyes.
They probably would have had the whole country not been watching
I am also ashamed of my State of Florida for this becoming a political extravaganza, and on behalf of all Floridians, I apologize to the rest of the country for this mess. Sorry.[/quote]
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
I still think that her body shouldn’t have had to die of dehydration. Lame. We should have morphine OD’d her after everybody had their chance to say their goodbyes.
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They did give her large amounts of morphine once they pulled the tube as she dehydrated.
I didn’t like the fact that either side made an issue of this. I think the media should have shown some discretion on the matter also.
All that being said I hope the relatives of this woman can put the anger aside for now. I am sure she wanted to leave a better legacy then this.
The biggest issue here, and I don’t think anyone has stated this yet, is that the State Gov or Feds have no right to tell people how and when they should die.
It should have remained an issue between the family only.
[quote]ConorM wrote:
I personally don’t see why Euthanasia is still such a massive problem worldwide for people to accept. Is it just because on a religious level it is regarded as wrong. Or do people actually think it is morally wrong to end the life of someone who requests it as they are in such pain?>
The fact that an organization exists to collect money to pay for people who can’t afford it, to travel to Switzerland to die in a painless dignified manner is a sad state of affairs.[/quote]
It’s troublesome because such laws have potential for abuse, which is enough to give anyone pause. Then it’s additionally troublesome from the point of view of some religions. Heck, some religions won’t even let you see a doctor.
Here in Oregon we have physician assisted suicide, but I’m not sure our law could have been applied in her case, even after a court ruling on her wishes had been finalized. The requirements are pretty tight - including permanent residency - and I’m not sure there is any way for a trustee to get this assistance on someone else’s behalf.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
I still think that her body shouldn’t have had to die of dehydration. Lame. We should have morphine OD’d her after everybody had their chance to say their goodbyes.
They did give her large amounts of morphine once they pulled the tube as she dehydrated.
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Incorrect. She was given no opiates whatever, and none were found present in the samples taken at autopsy.
[quote]endgamer711 wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
I still think that her body shouldn’t have had to die of dehydration. Lame. We should have morphine OD’d her after everybody had their chance to say their goodbyes.
They did give her large amounts of morphine once they pulled the tube as she dehydrated.
Incorrect. She was given no opiates whatever, and none were found present in the samples taken at autopsy.[/quote]
They found … Tylenol.
If I was in that state I too would prefer to die. However, dehydration as a way of killing her was inhumane. I wonder if even in her state she was able to feel pain. Euthanasia is wrong. While in some ways I agree with the right of a person who is in irreversible pain to choose death, I don’t think euthanasia should be legalized, unless strict measures are put out that it is legal ONLY if the person in question requests death. The last thing we need is to have kids killing their parents because they don’t want to take care of them or killing mentally challenged people for the same reason. Life is sacred and should never be taken unless by truly just cause.