You still provide NOTHING when you try to provide a coherent sentence.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So you’d take death, congrats? And you call me an idiot? LOL.
EDIT: I find it amusing you think I’m afraid of death. Last I checked I didn’t turn to fairy tales to make myself more comfortable about death.[/quote]
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Are all of you signed up to be Organ Donors? If not do so today. Make sure all your family knows your wishes. I personally am giving up everything. Someone needs it take it.[/quote]
I won’t need my organs, people are welcome to everything but my liver. With the thrashing that thing takes, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.[/quote]
Did you know there are 3 lobes in the liver, and a liver can be split up and given to 3 different people? Once these lobes are put in the recepient the liver will regenerate and form the other 2 lobes again. That is just amazing.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
anonym - you are right of course, I was simply stating the result of an infection, fluid in the lung/s.
You are also correct, the link provided little information.
My point still stands though. If I happened to be in need of an organ such as a lung, I would choose to reject said organ from a smoker. Death happens to everyone in the world. No one gets to skip out! Not even the Son of God!! Trying to avoid death is completely and totally fruitless. I workout and care for myself because I want to enjoy this portion of life and being healthy has no downside in my eyes. Why worry about the inevitable. Sounds like a waste to my ears.[/quote]
Well, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion, and while I don’t think it’s a mind-bogglingly boneheaded move on the transplant team’s part to decide to give her that set of lungs, I would think that there should be some circumstances in which the recipient is privy to the history of the organ he/she will be receiving.
That being said, instead of crying about socialism being the cause of this I will place the blame on those who choose to not give whatever they can when they will no longer need it… and that includes, in particular, the ones whining about the state of healthcaer.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Are all of you signed up to be Organ Donors? If not do so today. Make sure all your family knows your wishes. I personally am giving up everything. Someone needs it take it.[/quote]
I won’t need my organs, people are welcome to everything but my liver. With the thrashing that thing takes, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.[/quote]
Did you know there are 3 lobes in the liver, and a liver can be split up and given to 3 different people? Once these lobes are put in the recepient the liver will regenerate and form the other 2 lobes again. That is just amazing.[/quote]
'twas a joke.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You still provide NOTHING when you try to provide a coherent sentence.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So you’d take death, congrats? And you call me an idiot? LOL.
EDIT: I find it amusing you think I’m afraid of death. Last I checked I didn’t turn to fairy tales to make myself more comfortable about death.[/quote]
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You’re still an idiot. You’re standing there and essentially saying you’d reject a set of lungs if you needed the transplant (at least, that’s what I get out of the garbage you post, feel free to type something coherent some time soon). Surgery has risks, it didn’t pay out this time. That’s called life, and you really need to get off the high horse.
That’s no way to live.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
If I happened to be in need of an organ such as a lung, I would choose to reject said organ from a smoker.[/quote]
So again, you would prefer death. This is an instance where it is either take the lungs, or die. And you would rather die.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Are all of you signed up to be Organ Donors? If not do so today. Make sure all your family knows your wishes. I personally am giving up everything. Someone needs it take it.[/quote]
I won’t need my organs, people are welcome to everything but my liver. With the thrashing that thing takes, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.[/quote]
Did you know there are 3 lobes in the liver, and a liver can be split up and given to 3 different people? Once these lobes are put in the recepient the liver will regenerate and form the other 2 lobes again. That is just amazing.[/quote]
'twas a joke.[/quote]
I know it was a joke. I was putting out some information for all to see that the liver regenerates.
Read these words mak: we ALL die!
Dumb fuck, was that hard for you? I love how you change your posts to try and provide something that has language in the sentence, after your first try. You are nothing but ignorant about the world you live in. Tell me about how you are on course to graduate and you have all this life experience to give you said knowledge. Get the fuck out of my thread and fill other portions of the board with your ignorant spunk from kiwi land.
Share with others how they need to work out and make massive gains, because I know you have lots of experience.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So again, you would prefer death. This is an instance where it is either take the lungs, or die. And you would rather die.[/quote]
“Socialism” has nothing to do with this. In America, we have doctors that carve their initials into organs and nurses who euthanize patients. Shit happens, regardless of the system.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Read these words mak: we ALL die!
Dumb fuck, was that hard for you? I love how you change your posts to try and provide something that has language in the sentence, after your first try. You are nothing but ignorant about the world you live in. Tell me about how you are on course to graduate and you have all this life experience to give you said knowledge. Get the fuck out of my thread and fill other portions of the board with your ignorant spunk from kiwi land.
Share with others how they need to work out and make massive gains, because I know you have lots of experience.[/quote]
You seem mad.
I merely pointed out that you assuage your fear of death with fairy tales, and in a stunning twist you claim to be the type who would reject smokers lungs without providing any form of actual reasoning.
The person who underwent the operation chose to do so. Without the operation, they would have lost their life. With it, there was a chance to prolong it. They made their choice, and now you are sitting on a message board criticizing the government for whatever reason and claiming the moral high ground about accepting the lungs in the first place.
So basically, you’re effectively shitting all over a dead persons choice and using their death as a way to try and bash your government.
Nice.
Oh, and attacking my personal life, no that’s really great.
Because I can’t really be bothered with you anymore, I’m distracting everyone with a video.
There is no guarantee that even a new set of lungs would have saved the person’s life. Look at Mickey Mantle’s new liver. His body regected the liver and he died anyway very quickly if I can remember correctly. Transplants are no guarantee, but it is a better option than the current situation. Most likely the patient had no clue the lungs she was getting was a smokers lung. The doctor’s make that call.
That is all I needed to do so you would get the fuck out of my thread, like a scolded little bitch? T’was easy ; )
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Because I can’t really be bothered with you anymore, [/quote]
Your last two sentences provide my points. Who are they to decide on the quality of the organ used? With socialism do people think they can choose their own Dr.'s? No they can’t!! A Dr. has a certain population in an area to act as their patients and there are NO choices, anywhere.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
There is no guarantee that even a new set of lungs would have saved the person’s life. Look at Mickey Mantle’s new liver. His body regected the liver and he died anyway very quickly if I can remember correctly. Transplants are no guarantee, but it is a better option than the current situation. Most likely the patient had no clue the lungs she was getting was a smokers lung. The doctor’s make that call.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Your last two sentences provide my points. Who are they to decide on the quality of the organ used? With socialism do people think they can choose their own Dr.'s? No they can’t!! A Dr. has a certain population in an area to act as their patients and there are NO choices, anywhere. [/quote]
You still don’t get it.
Certain death from doing nothing or possible death from transplant.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Your last two sentences provide my points. Who are they to decide on the quality of the organ used? With socialism do people think they can choose their own Dr.'s? No they can’t!! A Dr. has a certain population in an area to act as their patients and there are NO choices, anywhere. [/quote]
You still don’t get it.
Certain death from doing nothing or possible death from transplant.[/quote]
yeah don’t you stupid mastubating conservatives get it? They gave her an organ - she doesn’t deserve the chance to make an informed decision - we made the best possible decision for her and she should just live with it . . or die!
[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Your last two sentences provide my points. Who are they to decide on the quality of the organ used? With socialism do people think they can choose their own Dr.'s? No they can’t!! A Dr. has a certain population in an area to act as their patients and there are NO choices, anywhere. [/quote]
You still don’t get it.
Certain death from doing nothing or possible death from transplant.[/quote]
yeah don’t you stupid mastubating conservatives get it? They gave her an organ - she doesn’t deserve the chance to make an informed decision - we made the best possible decision for her and she should just live with it . . or die![/quote]
Again, this has more to do with the number of people donating organs more than it does ‘socialism’. If everyone chose to give up their organs when they died, there is a good chance that doctors could be “pickier” when it comes to choosing organs for transplant.
As it stands, the woman was waiting for a new set of lungs for about two years.
And, yes, oftentimes it IS up to the doctor to make a judgment call in regards to what treatment is best for any given situation (they are the ones with decades of experience and education to make calls like these). If the transplant team didn’t consider the lungs to have sustained any damage that could be considered medically significant in regards to their viability, why would they need to share anything else about that organ with the patient?
I thought I scolded your little bitch ass and you were leaving my thread. Possible death from a transplant? You dumb fucking kid from kiwi, she fucking DIED!! There was no point in going through the surgery for a transplant. Was that hard to realize?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
You still don’t get it.
Certain death from doing nothing or possible death from transplant.[/quote]
[quote]anonym wrote:
Again, this has more to do with the number of people donating organs more than it does ‘socialism’. If everyone chose to give up their organs when they died, there is a good chance that doctors could be “pickier” when it comes to choosing organs for transplant.
As it stands, the woman was waiting for a new set of lungs for about two years.
And, yes, oftentimes it IS up to the doctor to make a judgment call in regards to what treatment is best for any given situation (they are the ones with decades of experience and education to make calls like these). If the transplant team didn’t consider the lungs to have sustained any damage that could be considered medically significant in regards to their viability, why would they need to share anything else about that organ with the patient?[/quote]
I am going to have to agree with this. The final call is done by the doctors looking at the lungs when they are retrieving them. Sometimes the organs look great on paper and then when they physically see them they are crap. Just because someone smokes does not necessarily mean the lungs are bad. They have to go through all the checks to make sure they are good. When they lay eyes on them and they are full of tar or whatever they will not take them. This sucks for the recipient because they were in the operating room ready to be cut open. They wake up thinking they have a new organ, and they dont.
I can not say this enough, please let your loved one’s know your wishes to give up your organs. Even a will can be overturned by a loved one because they do not agree with you. Time is of the essence in organ transplants, and when a loved one sues to stop the retrieval the organs might be done with by the time the court rules.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I thought I scolded your little bitch ass and you were leaving my thread. Possible death from a transplant? You dumb fucking kid from kiwi, she fucking DIED!! There was no point in going through the surgery for a transplant. Was that hard to realize?[/quote]
Is it so hard to realize that if she had done nothing, she would have died without knowing if there was a chance to save her life? She tried her options, it didn’t pan out. It happens. Blaming socialism isn’t the way to go here. This only happened because doctors can’t afford to be as selective with prospective donor organs as they or we would prefer.
And honestly, you really need to grow up.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
And honestly, you really need to grow up.[/quote]
and hurry!! Mak is dying to see how this is actually done . . .