[quote]furo wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Incline BB Press is fine. People are saying that OHP’ing may not be the best (or a necessary) tool for achieving the look many Physique Athletes are gunning for. [/quote]
Oh yeah I wasn’t trying to say anything about the OHP debate - I just thought the quote applied to the original question so I posted it. [/quote]
Haha yeah I felt that was your intention. But I was making sure others didn’t get it twisted lol
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
Working on stretching the lats and having at least one exercise that will be a “stretcher” + working on the lateral head of the delts is whats gonna be the most beneficial. IMO
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Thanks.
What do you mean by a “stretcher”? Stretching the lats in this case, like, say, low pulley rows?[/quote]
If you’ll look at John Meadow’s back article, you can see what ‘stretching’ exercises he recommends. Usually stuff like Stretchers, Heavy Partial Pulldowns, etc.
If Professor X does military presses along with other assistance lifts then that is good enough for me. He has some of the biggest shoulders on this website.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
Working on stretching the lats and having at least one exercise that will be a “stretcher” + working on the lateral head of the delts is whats gonna be the most beneficial. IMO
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Thanks.
What do you mean by a “stretcher”? Stretching the lats in this case, like, say, low pulley rows?[/quote]
If you’ll look at John Meadow’s back article, you can see what ‘stretching’ exercises he recommends. Usually stuff like Stretchers, Heavy Partial Pulldowns, etc. [/quote]
Thanks. I knew I was missing something there.
[quote]DSSG wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
OP can you do 20 strict push ups yet?
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Can op do a two times body weight below parallel squat yet? Or press body weight?[/quote]
Puzzled by this.
[quote]Andrewdwatters1 wrote:
[quote]DSSG wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
OP can you do 20 strict push ups yet?
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Can op do a two times body weight below parallel squat yet? Or press body weight?[/quote]
Puzzled by this. [/quote]
It’s a “I’m putting the cart before the horse” thing. Plus, my idle questioning hasn’t gone over well around here.
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
If Professor X does military presses along with other assistance lifts then that is good enough for me. He has some of the biggest shoulders on this website.
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okay? he is also 280lb i would expect him to have some large shoulders.
Chris, where are you? lol
Man, the upper back, glutes, abs, just about every thing gets a great workout from OHP at least for me (at beginner weight 100lbs). But yeah for shoulder sculpting, mountain dog stuff seems to be the way.
Weighted pullups. Sets of 2 - 3. Start with a very light weight. On the lighter sets, focus on how the different muscles in your shoulder and back are engaged on your slow descent. Add 5 pounds a set until you are doing singles. Do some forced negatives (still ramping weight) when you cant do singles anymore (feel your trembling shoulders & back burn). Don’t extend your descent time as the weight gets heavier. Don’t hyper-extend your elbows. Plan for about a 20 minute ordeal. You may want to puke after. Then do whatever meaningless assistance work you want. Once every five days.
[quote]giograves wrote:
Chris, where are you? lol
Man, the upper back, glutes, abs, just about every thing gets a great workout from OHP at least for me (at beginner weight 100lbs). But yeah for shoulder sculpting, mountain dog stuff seems to be the way. [/quote]
“â?¢ It’s just about impossible to build an impressive physique without overhead pressing exercises. They build your delts like no other exercise, and also contribute to your traps and triceps.”
I loled.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
One thing I noticed in looking at before/after photos of guys with good shoulders, is that the shoulders genuinely seem to get wider over time. This is in addition to building up the delts. It seems that the position of the shoulder girdle actually changes over timepressing isn’t neccesary if you’re doing alot ofchest presses. Focus on upright rows with dumbells and rear felt rows for the posterior delts. Forget lateral raises and rear felt fly (and any other exercise where you keep your arms straight for that matter).
I don’t think this is just an illusion.
Any ideas which exercises might do this (over the period of a few years)?
Heavy overhead presses? Bench press? Weighted pullups/pulldowns?[/quote]
Focus on the lats with rows and pullups/pulldowns (narrow grip) also hit the delts hard with compound movements. Shoulder r
Can someone link where it says DB OHP or Arnalod Presses are bad for your shoulder?
People have been doing them for the past 30 years+ with no problems…
Personally I always do them first, and never had any shoulder issues and I press 95lb DB’s
ive been doing lateral raises and rear delt flyes before military pressing for 6 weeks now. it has led to me using 50-60% of my normal military pressing weight. i have noticed my shoulders getting smaller and less full. been doing delts 2x a week too, trying to improve them. i get wicked pumps, but little growth.
i guess im one of those guys who needs heavy military presses first in their rotation.
EDIT: i used to push press 205lbs for reps and strict standing OHP 175lbs for reps.
[quote]Cron391 wrote:
Can someone link where it says DB OHP or Arnalod Presses are bad for your shoulder?
People have been doing them for the past 30 years+ with no problems…
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lol that reminds me of the scene in pumping iron where lou ferrigno is doing some good weight on standing OHP with everyone cheering him on in the gym.
/hijack
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]giograves wrote:
Chris, where are you? lol
Bodybuilding's Forgotten Muscle Builder [/quote]
“â?¢ It’s just about impossible to build an impressive physique without overhead pressing exercises. They build your delts like no other exercise, and also contribute to your traps and triceps.”
I loled.[/quote]
I stated a fact, an opinion, and a fact. Please tell me where the funny part is.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
ive been doing lateral raises and rear delt flyes before military pressing for 6 weeks now. it has led to me using 50-60% of my normal military pressing weight. i have noticed my shoulders getting smaller and less full. been doing delts 2x a week too, trying to improve them. i get wicked pumps, but little growth.
i guess im one of those guys who needs heavy military presses first in their rotation.
EDIT: i used to push press 205lbs for reps and strict standing OHP 175lbs for reps.[/quote]Drop the lateral raises and rear delt flies and do upright rows with a wide grip and face pulls or rows to the neck for the rear deltoids. You wouldn’t do front raises in pace of shoulder presses so why do isolation moves for the other two heads?
[quote]youngster543210 wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
ive been doing lateral raises and rear delt flyes before military pressing for 6 weeks now. it has led to me using 50-60% of my normal military pressing weight. i have noticed my shoulders getting smaller and less full. been doing delts 2x a week too, trying to improve them. i get wicked pumps, but little growth.
i guess im one of those guys who needs heavy military presses first in their rotation.
EDIT: i used to push press 205lbs for reps and strict standing OHP 175lbs for reps.[/quote]Drop the lateral raises and rear delt flies and do upright rows with a wide grip and face pulls or rows to the neck for the rear deltoids. You wouldn’t do front raises in pace of shoulder presses so why do isolation moves for the other two heads?[/quote]
From what I’ve heard/read, upright rows wreak havoc on shoulders over time. I don’t have personal experience so I can’t say. But it’s a reason I’ve stayed away from them.
[quote]Cron391 wrote:
Can someone link where it says DB OHP or Arnalod Presses are bad for your shoulder?
People have been doing them for the past 30 years+ with no problems…
Personally I always do them first, and never had any shoulder issues and I press 95lb DB’s[/quote]
CT explained that going heavy (for yourself) and having a range of motion going past your mouth or lower on the essentric phase can put unnecessary stress on tendons and ligaments.
[quote]Fuzzyapple.Train wrote:
[quote]Cron391 wrote:
Can someone link where it says DB OHP or Arnalod Presses are bad for your shoulder?
People have been doing them for the past 30 years+ with no problems…
Personally I always do them first, and never had any shoulder issues and I press 95lb DB’s[/quote]
CT explained that going heavy (for yourself) and having a range of motion going past your mouth or lower on the essentric phase can put unnecessary stress on tendons and ligaments. [/quote]
Ok so he basically said don’t go too shallow on the press and dont use super heavy weight…never said they are “bad” for you if proper techique is used…
thats like saying leaning forward too much on squats is bad…duh…but dosn’t mean dont do them, just use proper form…
I just find it hard to belive a CLASSIC COMPOUND MOVEMENT is now being removed? So if further research found out that “heavy” benching is bad for your tendons would everyone stop?
ANY one have actually scientific articles that back up this claim?
[quote]Cron391 wrote:
[quote]Fuzzyapple.Train wrote:
[quote]Cron391 wrote:
Can someone link where it says DB OHP or Arnalod Presses are bad for your shoulder?
People have been doing them for the past 30 years+ with no problems…
Personally I always do them first, and never had any shoulder issues and I press 95lb DB’s[/quote]
CT explained that going heavy (for yourself) and having a range of motion going past your mouth or lower on the essentric phase can put unnecessary stress on tendons and ligaments. [/quote]
ANY one have actually scientific articles that back up this claim?[/quote]
Kolber, M.J, Beekhuizen, K.S., Cheng, MS.S., Hellman, M.A. (2010). Shoulder injuries attributed to resistance training: A brief Review. Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, 24(6), 1696-1704.
[quote]"-Exercise selection that emphasizes large muscle groups may create an imbalance of the internal vs. external rotator cuff musculature, rotator cuff-deltoid force couple, and scapular musculature. Muscle strength imbalances interfere with normal shoulder function and have been associated with shoulder injury in numerous investigations (15-17,45,48,60,70).
-Resistance training routines often focus on large muscle groups such as the pectoralis major, upper trapezius, and deltoids, while neglecting muscles responsible for shoulder stabilization such as the rotator cuff and scapular musculature, thus predisposing participants to injury (6,30,38,39).
-Specifically, when comparing the shoulder external rotators to internal rotators, deltoid to external rotators and upper to lower trapezius muscle imbalances have been identified in the RT population exceeding that of the general population (38,39).
-shoulder mobility imbalances in individuals who participate in overhead sports have been described in the literature (8,53).
-Overhead motions typically required during RT position the arm into the abducted and externally rotated high-five position, which has been associated with shoulder dysfunction (2,22,25,30,31,53,54,57,62,82).
-Upper extremity RT places the shoulder in the high-five position (required during exercises such as the behind the neck military press and pull-downs) under heavy loads creating anterior capsular overload leading to anterior instability and impingement (30,31,53,54,57).
-Gross et al. (30) identified anterior shoulder instability among RT participants and postulated that the high-five position frequently assumed during exercise was a contributing factor."[/quote]
Some insight to it. A review article at that but if you want the references to read I can post them for you. I have the ability to access many papers through a online data base available to me through university.