[quote]Wrah wrote:
Turning powerlifting into a technique sport is as logical as turning golf into a strength sport by increasing the weight of the golf club to 20 pounds.[/quote]
link to club please
[quote]Wrah wrote:
Turning powerlifting into a technique sport is as logical as turning golf into a strength sport by increasing the weight of the golf club to 20 pounds.[/quote]
How do you figure? Technique plays a huge role in powerlifting regardless of whether you’re raw or equipped.
[quote]T11 wrote:
Funny story, When I was in high school I went to the state powerlifting meet for high school(Ohio) and I seen all these people with gear(only was a sophomore). I was like wtf squat suits, knee wraps? I ended up winning squat in my weight class with nothing but a belt and some short shorts. My Life=WINNING[/quote]
Cool story bro.
[quote]black_angus1 wrote:
[quote]T11 wrote:
Funny story, When I was in high school I went to the state powerlifting meet for high school(Ohio) and I seen all these people with gear(only was a sophomore). I was like wtf squat suits, knee wraps? I ended up winning squat in my weight class with nothing but a belt and some short shorts. My Life=WINNING[/quote]
Cool story bro.
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Dixie. That gif. Is incredible.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Dixie. That gif. Is incredible.[/quote]
x2. Who is the gurl?
It’s Alison Brie
james
[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
Raw lifters are a bit frustrated with equipped lifting for the following reasons
- When geared lifers say with a straight face that they bench 800 pounds, not mentioning the fact that they cant handle that weight without layers on layers, it diminishes a real raw bencher who does, say 600 pounds. It is the same principle with why high squats are hated.
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Not to stir shit, but I just found this thread and have been thinking about this subject lately as I have a meet coming up. I lift raw, but have trained around some guys who at one point had records in geared lifting supposedly in some fed I can’t recall (Jeff Greene in case anyone wanted to know I believe APF) and generally I could give a shit if someone wears gear. Truly I don’t care EXCEPT when the above happens. And it does happen.
I remember as a kid just getting started lifting weights reading about Louie Simmons in Men’s Health (yes they referenced him) and they said he squatted over 900 pounds so listen to him. As a newbie I thought “fuck that is a shit ton of weight I can only squat 350”. There was no qualification of the statement. Now of course he was in multiply gear and never approached this number without it, but it was stated simply “he squatted 900lbs. so pay attention” which is technically accurate but very misleading. It does cause number inflation to average people and it annoys me when I hear guys in the gym tell me what they bench/squat/whatever but they never state they are wearing equipment. If it is truly such a different beast (and I agree it is) then make the distinction. To be fair many do, but many do not which is annoying. Again I don’t care if you use equipment, truly, but it is very different than lifting raw and please just acknowledge it when stating numbers for integrity’s sake even if a lot of laymen don’t know the technical difference.
The second part that really does bother me is the way “World Records” are broken. The fact guys like Ed Coan, Captain Kirk, Kaz, etc. could have (or already have) their records “broken” by guys wearing shit tons of equipment that didn’t exist back then is a travesty. There is just too much mingling of the record books IMO. This could be easily amended, but I hate hearing guys compare numbers to these greats. Squatting 1000lbs in multiply is NOTHING like squatting 1000 for a double in single ply ala Kirk Karwoski. Again this may be pedantic, but these records should be either completely separated or asterisked like fuck. I have a similar beef with the way the Olympic Weightlifting world records were expunged thus undermining the achievements of past greats but that is another issue.
For the record I have never worn anything but a belt, but I have and still do compete and have trained with and around geared lifters. I also used to work out in Bill Kazmaier’s gym in Auburn and saw some freaks of all stripes so I recognize these guys are all legit raw or not. I will also say as an aside Bill had a great disdain for the geared lifters as his records were broken as a result of shirts and suits which really pissed him off.
You guys still wrapping up like mummies to get your lifts? Good job
[quote]BigRedMachine87 wrote:
You guys still wrapping up like mummies to get your lifts? Good job[/quote]
Compliment accepted.
For me, when it gets to the point that lifters can’t even get their gear on themselves, that’s where I cross the line. If you want to put something on to lift, that’s dandy. But when you need one or two people to help you put the thing on, I think that’s just a little ridiculous.
god this is back again. Well I will get some pop corn going. Let the moron-a-thon continue
Holy shit this thread is back! 
Satan squats in double ply
Even the Hulk squats in ripped up, single ply jean briefs
[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:
Satan squats in double ply[/quote]
False, the only thing Satan uses the squat rack for is curlz.
[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
Raw lifters are a bit frustrated with equipped lifting for the following reasons
- When geared lifers say with a straight face that they bench 800 pounds, not mentioning the fact that they cant handle that weight without layers on layers, it diminishes a real raw bencher who does, say 600 pounds. It is the same principle with why high squats are hated.
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Case in point, Tnation article this week by Joseph Orlandi (who?) Secrets of an 800lb bencher.
“Fortunately, I’ve had the privilege to intern and be mentored by an all-time great bench presser, Bill Gillespie. Coach Gillespie is a lifetime drug-free lifter who has benched 804 pounds, squatted over 1000, and is one of the most respected lifters in the world.”
Raw, single ply, multiply? he doesn’t say. There’s a hell of a difference.
I notice he remembers to mention the drug free bit though.
I do realise it’s not the lifter claiming this, he probably would have qualified the statement, but by leaving it out I think the writer’s implication is for people to think these lifts were done unequipped.
It’s analogous to Usain Bolt claiming that he can run the 100m in 8.7 seconds. “Technically” he can in a relay leg, but failing to mention that it was from a “rolling start” would be deliberately misleading because people would ASSUME it was from a standing start.
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I do realise it’s not the lifter claiming this, he probably would have qualified the statement, but by leaving it out I think the writer’s implication is for people to think these lifts were done unequipped.
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It’s almost like the writer of the article is trying to gain credibility or something. So annoying.
For the record, I am not saying geared lifters are not strong. They are. Anyone that says they are not is being disingenuous or dumb. Gear is also hard as shit to use (I have fucked around with a suit and briefs once). I personally don’t see the allure of gear (if I want a more technical strength lift I’ll just Oly lift) but to each their own.
I will say I think a lot of guys on this thread are ignoring the very real condescension a lot of geared lifters (at least on the internet) have for raw lifters. Just take an objective look at a lot of the comments just on this thread alone (“geared is the next progression”,“gear is way harder”, “raw is easy”, etc.). Even some of the guys I know who lift in gear act like raw 800lbs squats (think Pat Mendez recently) are really blase, because they “can do that” despite never having done it without gear. I almost slapped one of them who admittedly is strong as shit having squatted about 950 in gear when he said “yeah that’s pretty good, but he had to grind it” when I showed him the Pat Mendez squat. Like he was somehow the superior squatter because he had hit 950 in multiply. Is he representative of the whole of geared lifting? Absolutely not. Is he representative of a lot of geared lifters? Yes he is. The latter group is the one that seem to piss a lot of raw guys off.
[quote]kilpaba wrote:
I will say I think a lot of guys on this thread are ignoring the very real condescension a lot of geared lifters (at least on the internet) have for raw lifters.
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It’s been my experience that the opposite is true. A quick download of the latest e-book and you’re an expert in powerlifting. Someone whose opinion carries weight amongst internet forums. You are ready and able to quote your author of choice should you ever find yourself in an epic battle with someone who disagrees with you. You are now allowed to criticize other seasoned lifters (despite never having actually competed yourself) because you disapprove of their decision to use supportive equipment. I am not referring to you, but instead the “raw zealot” syndrome that has taken over the internet.
For the record, I’ve never seen a geared lifter start a “why WOULDN’T YOU want to use gear” thread on a message board forum.
[quote]kilpaba wrote:
Just take an objective look at a lot of the comments just on this thread alone (“geared is the next progression”,“gear is way harder”, “raw is easy”, etc.).
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The gear adds many more variables to your training, your nutrition, your setup and the execution of your lifts. I can train heavy and raw much more frequently than I can train heavy in my gear. I have to keep my weight in check at all times or my gear won’t work right. Geared lifting is very very difficult. The margin for error is almost zero. Much harder (in my opinion) that raw lifting. When I say that, keep in mind that I have competed raw and geared, and do much of my training raw. So when I say “gear is harder”, it’s not condescending. I’m not bad mouthing raw lifters. I’m stating something I believe to be true based on my own personal experiences.
All of the geared lifters that I know (and I know a ton) got their start in raw powerlifting. Who do you know that ever started their endeavor into the sport of powerlifting by buying a bunch of gear before actually competing? I don’t know of a single one. That’s the context in which I said ‘geared is the next progression’. It’s not a condescending thing at all. Once again, it’s something that I have observed to be true.
[quote]kilpaba wrote:
Even some of the guys I know who lift in gear act like raw 800lbs squats (think Pat Mendez recently) are really blase, because they “can do that” despite never having done it without gear. I almost slapped one of them who admittedly is strong as shit having squatted about 950 in gear when he said “yeah that’s pretty good, but he had to grind it” when I showed him the Pat Mendez squat. Like he was somehow the superior squatter because he had hit 950 in multiply. Is he representative of the whole of geared lifting? Absolutely not. Is he representative of a lot of geared lifters? Yes he is. The latter group is the one that seem to piss a lot of raw guys off.[/quote]
Well, I can’t speak for your friends. An 800lb raw squat and a 900+ geared squat are both insane. Strong is strong. Gear or no gear. I have a lot of respect for people who are able to display STRENGTH regardless of their use of supportive equipment.
I have no respect for little queens who are weak and have never competed who choose to spend their time trolling message boards and bashing other lifters. ( I am not referring to you kilpaba )